EPTand if the OP turns out to be random hater...well what can we do against that.
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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
and if the OP turns out to be random hater...well what can we do against that. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:13 mememolly wrote: you conclude it beyond reasonable doubt, anyone looking at this objectively without getting all "omgzzz the community sucks !!!1!!!" can see that he more than likely hacked Yep something ToiletCAT doesn't understand. Even in the courts it's proven beyond reasonable doubt. Also he doesn't seem to understand this is the ONLY way you can handle hacking accusations while there isn't a perfect anti-hack program in place. | ||
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Kris312
United States70 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:14 RusHXceL wrote: he just admitted he did. guilty. where? in his statement? | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:57 OzkanTheFlip wrote: Spades, no1 wants you quit, worst case scenario is you made a mistake and hopefully admit to it and grow some balls your still going to do well. What are you talking about? "No one wants you to quit?" He was already caught hacking in BW and given another chance, but if he did in fact cheat here AGAIN, then he definitely should be banished from the community. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9016 Posts
For him to continue to deny is laughable at this point. Spades has not handled this professionally at all, his image has been ruined because the truth was so clearly evident early on and he continued to deny it. Most of the people defending him I'm sure have not spent the hours analyzing the evidence. The whole situation is just shitty now and makes me really sad. | ||
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:13 mememolly wrote: you conclude it beyond reasonable doubt, anyone looking at this objectively without getting all "omgzzz the community sucks !!!1!!!" can see that he more than likely hacked Look, I'm having a really tough time taking you seriously because your main argument throughout this whole episode has been "anyone who doesn't agree with us are stupid and are not right in their heads, and it's so obvious because he does things that are unlikely or weird" I never said that this community sucks, so stop mixing the things I say up with what others say and feel. I'm disappointed in some of you, because you think you rightfully concluded that Spades was hacking without proof. That's a fact, you do not have any kind of proof, only "odd and fishy" replays, which essentially could mean anything. I realize that it's extremely hard to find out whether or not someone is hacking today, but you've got to understand that I think it's wrong of me to judge others before I know for sure what they have committed. If you cannot accept that, then that's fine, but I certainly assume that you have the right amount of brain cells insided that skull of yours to understand that I think what you've done is wrong, and that's final. | ||
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roym899
Germany426 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:14 mrtomjones wrote: Imho it definitly does. The fact he never looks into the fog of war is pretty much a conclusive evidence. Because seriously: Just try to play a ladder game without looking into the fog of war EVER. I bet you won't get it done.I'd assume that he means that the evidence is not conclusive. It would not stand up in a real court process, however it IS suspicious. That does not mean he is guilty though. No one gave him due process in this event. | ||
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Stubentiger
48 Posts
 And if anyone could explain to me why a pro player would maphack, please? | ||
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:15 IcedBacon wrote: Yep something ToiletCAT doesn't understand. Even in the courts it's proven beyond reasonable doubt. Also he doesn't seem to understand this is the ONLY way you can handle hacking accusations while there isn't a perfect anti-hack program in place. You're not a anti-hacking software, it is not your job, stop pretending that you can fix this on your own. This is all I'm saying. And for the record, don't tell others what I do and do not understand, you got that? I can talk for myself, thank you. | ||
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hagrin
United States278 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:15 IcedBacon wrote: Yep something ToiletCAT doesn't understand. Even in the courts it's proven beyond reasonable doubt. Also he doesn't seem to understand this is the ONLY way you can handle hacking accusations while there isn't a perfect anti-hack program in place. Umm, no it's not. There are all types of legal standard burdens of proof and "beyond reasonable doubt" is only used in criminal proceedings (mostly). While pitchforkers would call this a criminal act, this would be more of a civil nature so therefore the burden of proof isn't actually as stringent. Disclaimer - I am not a lawyer, but I played one in law school. | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
And yes i analyzed the replays and didnt find concrete proof. also studies his replay pack but not as hard | ||
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Hyperiok
England20 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:19 toiletCAT wrote: Look, I'm having a really tough time taking you seriously because your main argument throughout this whole episode has been "anyone who doesn't agree with us are stupid and are not right in their heads, and it's so obvious because he does things that are unlikely or weird" I never said that this community sucks, so stop mixing the things I say up with what others say and feel. I'm disappointed in some of you, because you think you rightfully concluded that Spades was hacking without proof. That's a fact, you do not have any kind of proof, only "odd and fishy" replays, which essentially could mean anything. I realize that it's extremely hard to find out whether or not someone is hacking today, but you've got to understand that I think it's wrong of me to judge others before I know for sure what they have committed. If you cannot accept that, then that's fine, but I certainly assume that you have the right amount of brain cells insided that skull of yours to understand that I think what you've done is wrong, and that's final. I don't mean to get involved, but I'd like to say that I, personally, feel you're one of the few sensible people in this whole topic. | ||
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roym899
Germany426 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: This is just sad, that this could happen without any evidence is genuinely disturbing. Wtf are you talking about? Without any evidence? Lol. | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:20 Stubentiger wrote: And if anyone could explain to me why a pro player would maphack, please? They maphack because they suck and could never win otherwise. True for Spades, at least. | ||
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Gobe
210 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:07 toiletCAT wrote: CatZ's "evidence" was later proven to be inaccurate and invalid. Never looking into the fog of war? Actually never. Perfectly predicting enemy movement without vision? Several blatantly terrible choices in a row that paid off just because of luck? There is such an infinitesimally small chance that he was not hacking. Any of these alone is not enough, but all of them together is pretty damning. | ||
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vsritual
United States5 Posts
His recent streak of on again off again gaming shows that he is not a fully dedicated pro-gamer. Without going back at it full bore he will never be respected again. Prove us all wrong by dedicating your time to SC2 all over again and making a great showing at a LAN-- | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:08 BlackGosu wrote: this is a good day for esports. it goes to show what goes around comes around. spades got what was coming to him for hacking/stream cheating/whatever he did. justice is served, to show all that cheating doesnt pay No, it's a pretty bad one. Its people raising pitchforks for something that might, or might not have happend and nobody has a real clue (yet?). I sometimes hope "in dubio pro reo" would come up more often on the internet, to much withhunting and judging prematurely. A good day for eSport would be one where this kind of accusation would lead to civil discussion with no one calling names and only judging after getting sufficient proof, or when in doubt dropt the accusations. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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