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Peqqz
Germany201 Posts
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AltOptimus
Netherlands115 Posts
On July 21 2012 21:26 korona wrote: You should always remember to name who you think is hacking. At first I presumed you were accusing your friend, as he has a barcode name. Also his old name 'Lazysmurf' reinforced that belief. Only the top of the top logically has valid reasons to hide their identity with barcodes. That makes you wonder why the lower players do that also. Many of the lower identity hiders seem to have other reasons for hiding their identity such as hacks, MMR abuse, abusive tactics, etc. Of course this is a generalization, but I've seen many barcode players who were actually hackers or tried to hide things like that they early pooled or cannon rushed every game according to their match histories. Only when I lauched the replay I realized you were actually accusing KeKsBear (old id: ufna). I watched the replay from KeksBears perspective and did not see anything too suspicious (as a proof) in the early game, except that he trashtalked all the time. And was totally blind after his scout probe had returned to his base almost immediately after finding the opponent's base and his army consisted only 1 zealot & 1 stalker until 8:00 minute mark. He would have lost if the terran would have been aggressive. Due to his trashtalk, the early game occasions you mentioned could have been just "trashtalk" to make your friend feel uncomfortable. But the later dropship incident made me belief he was likely hacking. 14:36 he looks at the location of the dropship through the fog of war (not common place to look at) little after he calls the drop out even if he never had a vision of dropships (he knew that your friend had a starport as a raven had destroyed his obs). 14:57 he warps antiair at spot where the drop is coming. He also moves his archons there to reinforce (all of his antiair at that time) 16:20 he suddenly manually chooses all his forces from two different locations (he has no command groups for units) and moves to intercept your friend's main army that is attacking his natural. He does this suddenly several seconds before he has visibility of the terran army Other notes. His mechanics are quite poor. He does not usually use command groups for his units. He does not balance the probes between bases (his third is understaffed all the time and main is mining out). But these notes are not proofs regarding hacks. Due to the dropship incident & later defense of his natural he was likely hacking. The early game things would have not been too suspicious as a proof (trashtalking masks things), but due to the dropship incident they became more suspicious. he told me he uses barcode for fun because ppl keep raging at him for using it, anyway. you have some good points, but he looked at terran´s main base a few times for example, seeing the turret being done at natural and a few seconds later saying terran maphacks. later on he looks again at terran´s main base for 2-3 seconds and saying `3 base` because terran´s 3rd Command center is just flying out, the protoss is suddenly moving his army to where the dropship is going, the raven sure might tell him medivacs are comming but mentioning it and running to the drop location right on the spot is weird if you ask me.. | ||
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AltOptimus
Netherlands115 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On July 22 2012 02:26 AltOptimus wrote: he told me he uses barcode for fun because ppl keep raging at him for using it, anyway. Yes. Different people have different reasons for using such names. But then can easily become generalized based on their negative namesakes. On July 22 2012 02:26 AltOptimus wrote: you have some good points, but he looked at terran´s main base a few times for example, seeing the turret being done at natural and a few seconds later saying terran maphacks. later on he looks again at terran´s main base for 2-3 seconds and saying `3 base` because terran´s 3rd Command center is just flying out, the protoss is suddenly moving his army to where the dropship is going, the raven sure might tell him medivacs are comming but mentioning it and running to the drop location right on the spot is weird if you ask me.. Yes. Those early game moments are indeed suspicious, but are they proof? No. He only 'reacts' via chatting. And as he has already established himself as a trashtalker, it somewhat masks if he is reacting what he sees through the fog of war or just using his mouth. But in the later two examples I gave (defending the drop & moving his army to intercept the attack on his natural) he actually reacts with his army, his actions & even with chat. And these actions are not what a person would logically do without scouting information. I would say that we have quite strong case here that the opponent was hacking. But is it still 100% solid proof? No. And that is the problem regarding detecting map hacks from a replay. Often only if the hacker is playing openly without trying to hide that he is hacking, the evidence is conclusive. For example lets think about this line: On July 21 2012 18:07 AltOptimus wrote: 16:00 going over to where the medivac unloaded, could be super lucky i dont know. This actually may happen quite often. If you see that the opponent tries to drop you and pulls back, then where does he send his dropship? 1) Home via map borders? - Possible; 2) Cross the middle of the map to the other side? - Unlikely as he is not controlling the middle and the dropship can be shot down; 3a) Leaves it in the middle of the void where it cannot be shot down by ground? - Possible, but it can be found quite easily by positioning an observer there; 3b) Brings it near the borders of the void? - Possible as he can control more enemy ground movements and try to deny expansions. This kind of position is also harder to find with observers, even if it is more vulnerable --> If the opponent tries to drop you but pulls back, it might be worth to check, if he has landed his troops somewhere close. Also nowadays it is problematic to detect a maphacker based on when he looks at areas that are covered by a fog. Better hacks have camera locks --> you cannot see from the replay when he looks at a certain fogged area. Legidly playing people look at the fog from time to time too: E.g. when planning where to drop or check if he missed something when his scout passed the area. Thus you always have to think why would he look at that area? Or is it clear e.g. that he is following your army with his camera without scouting information. When reporting likely hacks, it would be best to present the strongest evidence first and then the less strong suspicious actions as a supporting evidence. | ||
SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
replay pvp on antiga: http://drop.sc/226680 most obvious thing: 6:40: looks at my base with no previous scouting besides that: 8:00: randomly moves towards 2 stalker coming from the watchtower 9:20: i put down dark shrine => of course he suddenly puts down a robotics may be some more but i think the look through the fog of war makes it pretty obvious. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On July 22 2012 01:17 Peqqz wrote: Blizzard just dont care. Its not that Blizzard doesnt care - they dont want to risk banning the wrong people and getting a shit name like EA or *Insert company name* They'd rather let bad guys run loose than kill the good guys. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On July 23 2012 22:58 ShoWTimE94 wrote: another maphacker on eu server with high enough mmr to play grandmaster opponents: ChoboSmurf replay pvp on antiga: http://drop.sc/226680 most obvious thing: 6:40: looks at my base with no previous scouting besides that: 8:00: randomly moves towards 2 stalker coming from the watchtower 9:20: i put down dark shrine => of course he suddenly puts down a robotics may be some more but i think the look through the fog of war makes it pretty obvious. Confirming him - on EU server http://drop.sc/227618 4:00: Double nexus opening when his opponent is going CC first - no scout 4:13: Look at ennemy expo in FOW on shakuras - still no scout 7:35: Proxy pylon at the top base near hidden expansion 7:52: Warps in units to the hidden expansion before scouting it (which traps the zealot in between the top right and top left base) - this is the most obvious proof of the mh as noone would randomly trap his units there for no reason 12:54 - Backs off without scouting the third while he has map control in front of his opponent base (there's no expansion there obviously) 13:44 - Moves back his army from the middle of the map as the ennemy moves out 13:52: Is ready to catch the drop at his base - he ONLY has units prepared to catch a drop in that base (1/5) http://drop.sc/227578 10:50: Moves 4 zealot and attack the hidden expansion without scouting it 13:12 - Is killing rocks to go at the spot the CC moved - still no scout 15:28: Warps in zealot in his base just as 2 medivacs are coming to drop - no vision of it http://drop.sc/226680 6:39 - Look opponent base in FOW on 4 player map with no scouting 7:44 - Walks to opponent base straight without knowing where his base is 8:00 - Changes his army direction to go kill 2 lone stalkers at the watch tower 10:00 - Puts down a robo just when the DT shrine is going down **Notice that ChoboSmurf has not scouted his opponent base in any of his matches and do not try to keep map control at all (not seeing once his opponent base at 20+ minute mark). | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
Sid - Terran - Diamond league - Shakuras Plateau http://drop.sc/229697 Basically, he looks into the fog of war, spots my reaper and initially sends his 2 marines out to the exact spot my reaper is stationed. Once he realizes that isn't such a good idea, he sends those marines and one in the xel naga back to the front of his natural, exactly where my reaper is coming. This is even more obvious when he moves his entire army to deal with 3 reapers coming through the back alley he had no vision of. On top of that, i'm pretty certain he never scouted my main, although i could have missed it on replay. I think those 3 occurences are pretty obvious, and are good enough to suggest beyond reasonable doubt he hacks. Just look at his player camera. He also bm'd me after the game so gg | ||
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Marjosz
39 Posts
here's the replay: http://www1.zippyshare.com/v/66217605/file.html - frozen camera couple of times - blings cancel just before he sees my scvs 10:56 - sending his blings onto my squad of hellions when he absolutely couldnt see them (most obvious one) 14:00 - he rolls his army onto mine when he has no vision | ||
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( bush
321 Posts
http://drop.sc/229816 | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On July 29 2012 00:59 darthfoley wrote: Just played a blatant map hacker on NA. Sid - Terran - Diamond league - Shakuras Plateau http://drop.sc/229697 Basically, he looks into the fog of war, spots my reaper and initially sends his 2 marines out to the exact spot my reaper is stationed. Once he realizes that isn't such a good idea, he sends those marines and one in the xel naga back to the front of his natural, exactly where my reaper is coming. This is even more obvious when he moves his entire army to deal with 3 reapers coming through the back alley he had no vision of. On top of that, i'm pretty certain he never scouted my main, although i could have missed it on replay. I think those 3 occurences are pretty obvious, and are good enough to suggest beyond reasonable doubt he hacks. Just look at his player camera. He also bm'd me after the game so gg Only looking for top masters/GM, sorry. | ||
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lodeet
United States147 Posts
NA mid masters. I 6 pool he doesn't scout and walls off his main with 10 forge. I have never seen a toss open this way and first time 6 pool I was on tilt. Plus he never scouts or tries proxy pylon. He was plat last season now masters with a positive win ratio. I just want someone to confirm make me feel better. | ||
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Danzo
2820 Posts
Platinum League map hack -Doesn't once scout or even move his overlord. -Coincidentally over makes spores when two banshees are being made -screen locks at certain times. Edit: Sorry didn't realize this was for high masters/gm level map hackers. I figured I'll just post this map hacker as well. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On July 29 2012 19:26 Danzo wrote: http://drop.sc/230295 Platinum League map hack -Doesn't once scout or even move his overlord. -Coincidentally over makes spores when two banshees are being made -screen locks at certain times. Edit: Sorry didn't realize this was for high masters/gm level map hackers. I figured I'll just post this map hacker as well. The league is not a problem. Even if the original poster is not interested in / does not have time to check lower player's replays this is currently the de facto thread on TL to discuss hacks. People just have to make sure they have good evidence before posting (your description should preferably have been more detailed) and not make accusations too lightly. And not be surprised if their posts are not always replied especially if their examples are from lower leagues. And this replay is interesting. It contains usage of auto injection hack (hacker: Vinnytheboss) that differs from the other auto injects I have seen. Normally automation hacks happen during one game frame so it does not affect the user's control. This one does not and the split second queen selections are visible when watching the replay from the hacker's perspective. There seems also to be some kind of random & sometimes not so random delay on injects for different queens. Also it seems that when a new queen is build, it has to be manually set to a command group before automation kicks in. The automation sequence is (happens during 1 to 2 frames (adjacent frames). Step 1 is not always done): 1) Set the current selection to command group 0 2) Select correct individually grouped queen (groups 5, 6, 7. Queens for different hatches were not in sync regarding injections) 3) Inject 4) Select command group 0 Examples of auto-injection are easily visible throughout the game but here are some examples. At 12:41 he looks at his main, but selects queen at his natural for a split second exactly when when larvas hatch & injects (he is also is chatting second earlier). More examples can be found during battles starting at 13:55, 16:40 and 18:10. To be able to do his kind of injects during battles without automation hacks, he should have exact timer for each non-synced hatches in his head to be able to select the correct queen at correct time and inject via minimap while microing the battles. | ||
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LJ
203 Posts
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TylerThaCreator
United States906 Posts
On July 30 2012 01:16 LJ wrote: Dunno why you all posting in this thread, nothing will get done. Blizzard can't detect the hack and won't act on replays so it is a waste of time Awareness for other players who care about ladder like myself. | ||
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Neeblet
United States10 Posts
http://drop.sc/230419 | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
I just played this guy 50 minutes ago and was curious how he dropped me in all the right places, and would consistently do it when i was away or on the other side of the map. Just a few minutes ago another guy who played him said he maphacks and him and I are only but a few of the people he has done this to on the ladder. I would appreciate if someone could analyze and tell me from a Terran perspective whether he was hacking. I'm not familiar with Terran so I'm curious if what he was doing is suspicious. Name: Phaymous Rank: 38 Master | ||
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grimmjowxbcx
79 Posts
He is 100% a hacker , no bunker didn't scout you at all , blind 3rd base LOL this is 6 minutes in can't wait to see how obvious this is. Please report this guy man I am going to as well for you. This shit is ridic , be more obvious | ||
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grimmjowxbcx
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