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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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DeaDoXFighting
Canada115 Posts
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On July 30 2012 02:46 BrassMonkey27 wrote: http://drop.sc/230444 I just played this guy 50 minutes ago and was curious how he dropped me in all the right places, and would consistently do it when i was away or on the other side of the map. Just a few minutes ago another guy who played him said he maphacks and him and I are only but a few of the people he has done this to on the ladder. I would appreciate if someone could analyze and tell me from a Terran perspective whether he was hacking. I'm not familiar with Terran so I'm curious if what he was doing is suspicious. Name: Phaymous Rank: 38 Master watching, will edit. the first 2 marines are very suspicious the drops seem legit to me... no loading or dropping when you are just leaving a place. i love how you got 7500 apm at 20:00 :D | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
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grimmjowxbcx
79 Posts
On July 30 2012 03:28 BrassMonkey27 wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/phaymous Guy is streaming right now. yea they use 2 monitors and cheat with the other one so it appears they are legit , but anyone who does not build a bunker does not scout at all , drops around spores and takes a blind 6-7 minute 3rd in TVZ= a hacker lol this guys obvious to | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
On July 30 2012 03:26 graNite wrote: watching, will edit. the first 2 marines are very suspicious the drops seem legit to me... no loading or dropping when you are just leaving a place. i love how you got 7500 apm at 20:00 :D Hahaha yeah that x-mouse button thing for the infestors does crazy things for apm lol. Ive seen it at 250 avg, was silly lol. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
cool bro i'll keep that in mind next time i come across a hacker! | ||
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clayn
Germany444 Posts
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
On July 30 2012 03:53 BrassMonkey27 wrote: Hahaha yeah that x-mouse button thing for the infestors does crazy things for apm lol. Ive seen it at 250 avg, was silly lol. Someone using a 3rd party program, complaining about about someone using a 3rd party program? | ||
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Phaymous
United States1 Post
On July 30 2012 02:46 BrassMonkey27 wrote: http://drop.sc/230444 I just played this guy 50 minutes ago and was curious how he dropped me in all the right places, and would consistently do it when i was away or on the other side of the map. Just a few minutes ago another guy who played him said he maphacks and him and I are only but a few of the people he has done this to on the ladder. I would appreciate if someone could analyze and tell me from a Terran perspective whether he was hacking. I'm not familiar with Terran so I'm curious if what he was doing is suspicious. Name: Phaymous Rank: 38 Master Feel free to watch the vods from my stream today. I also don't know what you guys mean by me "avoiding" his spores, without seeing them. There was one, I didn't even avoid it, the second my medivacs start getting hit I move them out of range of the spore. Also, I get taken by surprise by his infested terran play, then scan like crazy trying to find the infestors. The third CC was called greed/stupidity, same with the lack of scouting. The first two marines just get spammed all over the place looking for overlords, I didn't just target directly where they would be. This is pretty silly.... | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:20 Detri wrote: Someone using a 3rd party program, complaining about about someone using a 3rd party program? you can put the infested terran spawn on the mousewheel, by useing the bnet hotkey setup if im not mistaken. | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:22 graNite wrote: you can put the infested terran spawn on the mousewheel, by useing the bnet hotkey setup if im not mistaken. afaik ALL 3rd party programs are illegal, including macros. He said he used x-mouse not that he bound infested terran spawn to mouse wheel | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:25 Detri wrote: afaik ALL 3rd party programs are illegal, including macros. He said he used x-mouse not that he bound infested terran spawn to mouse wheel no, unfortunetely blizzard is fine with the mouse wheel thing (on ladder). most tournaments dont allow it though. | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:29 ShoWTimE94 wrote: no, unfortunetely blizzard is fine with the mouse wheel thing (on ladder). most tournaments dont allow it though. No you are wrong. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html 2 B it's against the EULA and its illegal. <edit> btw i don't care but it's as much a bannable offence as maphacking, just pointing it out </edit> | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On July 30 2012 02:46 BrassMonkey27 wrote: http://drop.sc/230444 I just played this guy 50 minutes ago and was curious how he dropped me in all the right places, and would consistently do it when i was away or on the other side of the map. Just a few minutes ago another guy who played him said he maphacks and him and I are only but a few of the people he has done this to on the ladder. I would appreciate if someone could analyze and tell me from a Terran perspective whether he was hacking. I'm not familiar with Terran so I'm curious if what he was doing is suspicious. Name: Phaymous Rank: 38 Master Phaymous seemed to play legit. I watched the whole replay from his point of view. He played the early game blind (had xelnaga thought), but actively scouted with forward marines etc, when he moved his troops later in the game. Also the early game overlord interceptions were ok (even if risky), as they happened typical places that the overlords fly over. He also did lots of mistakes regarding the battles, that should not have happened if he had scouting info. Later in the game he also seemed to base lots of his decisions on what he saw (his camera & scouting). Also many of the zerg attacks that he had not seen approaching seemed to be surprises for him (e.g. burrowed infestors around 15:50). At 17:10 he even tried to find if some of the burrowed infestors would be near his third & fourth bases with 2 scans(no z units anywhere near). On July 30 2012 02:56 grimmjowxbcx wrote: Brass, He is 100% a hacker , no bunker didn't scout you at all , blind 3rd base LOL this is 6 minutes in can't wait to see how obvious this is. Please report this guy man I am going to as well for you. This shit is ridic , be more obvious Grimmjowxbcx: What evidence do you have that he is 100% hacker? People can play greedy and sometimes not-too-viable / non-safe strategies. Did you even watch the whole replay when you wrote this? On July 30 2012 03:09 grimmjowxbcx wrote: also another dead give away is everyone of his drops avoid ur spores that he never saw. His first drop at 14:00 flew directly over a spore and he almost lost one medivac. That drop even approached the z main in the overlord sight even if there was a blindspot near that he could have used. People should really not make baseless accusations. If something is found that can be considered as a proof or otherwise suspicious, it should be clearly presented. Now Grimmjowxbcx only claimed that the accused player was 100% hacker with no supporting analysis. These kinds of claims should have consequences. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:43 Detri wrote: No you are wrong. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html 2 B it's against the EULA and its illegal. <edit> btw i don't care but it's as much a bannable offence as maphacking, just pointing it out </edit> Mouse wheel casting is ok. It is one button rebind and not a macro. You can often set one-button rebinds directly from mouse drivers. There are even Blue posts confirming that one-button rebinds are ok, unlike macros (many actions with one button press). With quick search I did not find those posts, but will edit the link here if and when I find one. Tournaments can of course decide themselves if they allow mouse wheel casting. Edit: One minute later I found one of those posts http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1302702180#15 | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
On July 30 2012 03:15 DeaDoXFighting wrote: I played IMPA like 5 times, he has more then a maphack, that idiot stream's and I watched it to see how dumb he is. He lost ALL matches not even close. He has a production tab to see what his oponent is doing, the hacks tells him when he is near beign supply block and blink hack... he warps without selecting his warpgates... BAN HIM ASAP, he even BM's good known players.. Ive just recently seen the map hack first-hand. -Fog of War units appear with white healthbars, zero fog of war including the minimap -camera lock so you can look around while the replay thinks you're looking at your base -automatic worker builder (starts 1 second before last finishes) -enemy dropship warning (loading units in any dropship) -production tab -automatic chronoboost warpgates You can definitely see how someone at high master could get to grandmaster pretty easily with these benefits. Tho I don't think you can play with the maphack on a 2nd monitor, at least not this version of it. Edit: I didn't use it, watched someone use it. | ||
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grimmjowxbcx
79 Posts
On July 30 2012 02:56 grimmjowxbcx wrote: Brass, He is 100% a hacker , no bunker didn't scout you at all , blind 3rd base LOL this is 6 minutes in can't wait to see how obvious this is. Please report this guy man I am going to as well for you. This shit is ridic , be more obvious Grimmjowxbcx: What evidence do you have that he is 100% hacker? People can play greedy and sometimes not-too-viable / non-safe strategies. Did you even watch the whole replay when you wrote this? On July 30 2012 03:09 grimmjowxbcx wrote: also another dead give away is everyone of his drops avoid ur spores that he never saw. His first drop at 14:00 flew directly over a spore and he almost lost one medivac. That drop even approached the z main in the overlord sight even if there was a blindspot near that he could have used. It's just my point of view, I watched the game , I am not convinced by the excuses and I do think he is 100% hacking , it does not mean I am forcing you to feel the same way nor affecting you in anyway , I just am expressing my own opinion as you are with yours. I am truly sorry if I offended you and will be careful with my thoughts in the future but in no way am I coming at you , I have no idea who you are and I watched this replay myself. Thanks for your thoughts and advice though I appreciate it and I'll take it into account in the future. My thoughts overall is this guy is a hacker though that's my thoughts only (100% to me) I should say not to you or anyone else. <3 and happiness I just hope blizzard can find a way to ban hackers in the future it ruined warcraft 3 and I really hope it does not with sc2's ladder. | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
On July 30 2012 06:01 korona wrote: Mouse wheel casting is ok. It is one button rebind and not a macro. You can often set one-button rebinds directly from mouse drivers. There are even Blue posts confirming that one-button rebinds are ok, unlike macros (many actions with one button press). With quick search I did not find those posts, but will edit the link here if and when I find one. Tournaments can of course decide themselves if they allow mouse wheel casting. Edit: One minute later I found one of those posts http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1302702180#15 Rebinding hotkeys is fine, but you have to use the game client to do so... using a 3rd party program to do so is however illegal according to the end user licence agreement | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:43 Detri wrote: No you are wrong. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html 2 B it's against the EULA and its illegal. <edit> btw i don't care but it's as much a bannable offence as maphacking, just pointing it out </edit> well, you dont have to tell me this because i thought so as well, but the point is that it's a 1 to 1 rebind and not a macro and somehow blizzard seems to be fine with it. there already has been enough discussion about that topic and it's not the right place to discuss it either, but afaik blizzard never made an official statement since people found out about it even though there was a lot of confusion and several threads asking for a statement. ive seen stephano use it (on his stream) for months and even today some pros are using it, but ye... it's offtopic so lets just stop with it. | ||
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