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On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ...
You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more...
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thank god for queen buff... hellion marauder was the most infuriating thing ever...
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On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ... You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more...
He quit playing when reaper was nerfed.
He quit playing when roach was buffed
He quit playing when barracks after supply depot.
He quit playing when Blue flame hellion was nerfed
He quit playing when bunker refund was dropped from 100% to 75%
He quit playing when ghost was nerfed
He will quit again when queen range is increased by 2.
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On May 11 2012 06:02 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 05:49 Bluerain wrote:On May 11 2012 04:02 Huragius wrote:On May 11 2012 03:25 cydial wrote:
I don't understand how my fellow terrans are complaining about these changes. Are your strats that gimmicky that a faster moving overlord and a queen that can shoot a bit further suddenly makes you a shittier player? If that's the case go play LoL. If queen range doesn't affect your TvZ at all, that means YOU are the one playing shitty TvZ lol. if it affects you so much that you can't win anymore vs an opponent of equal skill, then that means YOU are the one playing shitty TvZ lol but perhaps they shouldve started with 4 range Did I say I can't win anymore ? The vocal majority (aka low leaguers) don't realize how many harass/pressure options this patch kills for terrans and when zergs know it, they will be even more greedy.I don't care if you are sitting in your gold league and massing thors against some newbies without any harass and still win. At higher level, you must harass and apply pressure, TvZ is all about that and this patch takes a lot of room for it.
pre-patch Terran has been able to fail harass after harass with next to no impact on their mid to late game. This makes helion harass harder to pull off, so you have to invest more than 400 minerals into an attack that before now was guaranteed to make it's money back in drone kills.
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On May 11 2012 06:28 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ... You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more... He quit playing when reaper was nerfed. He quit playing when roach was buffed He quit playing when barracks after supply depot. He quit playing when Blue flame hellion was nerfed He quit playing when bunker refund was dropped from 100% to 75% He quit playing when ghost was nerfed He will quit again when queen range is increased by 2.
I'm guessing he's also a smoker who's always "quitting"? I say this as a smoker myself, by the way.
Anyhow, one thing I may have missed. Does guardian shield work against the queen's ground attack now?
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damn
I miss the queen talon attacks.
;(
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On May 11 2012 06:20 Raga wrote:
So i have no idea why terrans bitching about hellions and the queen update, hellions is a HUUGE reward unit for a verry TINY TINY TINY TINY TINY risk, 4 hellions roast drones so hard and if u rush em out zerg cant do shitt if terran actually knows how to micro, and lets face it the queen is one of the 3 ground units that a zerg use.
Been using hellions for quite a while now, I average with like 0.5 drone kills per match. They are just not used for that. They role is mostly defensive after 1 rax expo (against mass lings), to deny creep and delay 3rd base from zerg. When you do banshee followup, you want to damage the queens a bit, too.
That being said, the range buff affects the hellions a lot. What used to be the case was that zerg had to chase hellions off creep in order to spread it. He essentiatly had to trade queen HP for tumors (or mass ling). But right now, zerg doesn't have to run off creep in order to spread creep, and even if he does, he still can return fire to hellions.
Losing hellions by the terran hurts a lot, and it's easy to do if you don't look for a split second and they die to mass lings. Hellions used to be pretty good, but the terran needed to constantly look at the minimap and have quick reaction time in order not to lose them. What I'm trying to say is that hellion (esp + banshee and fast third) openers are hard mechanically (micro hellions, banshees and macro of 3 bases).
I'm really pissed about the range change. First off, I don't see the reason WHY. Moreover, I think it just buffs the creep spread too much. If the range buff doesn't affect your hellion opener, chances are you weren't denying creep (which you should've been doing) but suicide hellions for drones.
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On May 11 2012 06:30 Shiladie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:02 Huragius wrote:On May 11 2012 05:49 Bluerain wrote:On May 11 2012 04:02 Huragius wrote:On May 11 2012 03:25 cydial wrote:
I don't understand how my fellow terrans are complaining about these changes. Are your strats that gimmicky that a faster moving overlord and a queen that can shoot a bit further suddenly makes you a shittier player? If that's the case go play LoL. If queen range doesn't affect your TvZ at all, that means YOU are the one playing shitty TvZ lol. if it affects you so much that you can't win anymore vs an opponent of equal skill, then that means YOU are the one playing shitty TvZ lol but perhaps they shouldve started with 4 range Did I say I can't win anymore ? The vocal majority (aka low leaguers) don't realize how many harass/pressure options this patch kills for terrans and when zergs know it, they will be even more greedy.I don't care if you are sitting in your gold league and massing thors against some newbies without any harass and still win. At higher level, you must harass and apply pressure, TvZ is all about that and this patch takes a lot of room for it. pre-patch Terran has been able to fail harass after harass with next to no impact on their mid to late game. This makes helion harass harder to pull off, so you have to invest more than 400 minerals into an attack that before now was guaranteed to make it's money back in drone kills.
No impact ? Is it even worth arguing people like you ?
And about what drone kills are you people talking about ? Hellion harass alone was never ment to roast drones unless zerg did a stupid mistake. I could only image hellion harass being so effective (like most of you are talking nonsenses about) is when you about gas first on maps like Antiga Shipyard and zerg doesn't scout it. Otherwise hellion opening is meant to deny creep and delay third as long as possible. Yet again, I feel like talking to a wall.
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Everyone quit whining. Terran are still winning or placing 2nd in nearly every single major tournament. They clearly are not underpowered. Everything is balanced. Quit being babies.
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On May 11 2012 05:22 SeaSwift wrote:
For fuck's sake, Blizzard, stop messing with TvZ. TvZ is the most balanced non-mirror matchup in the game, by far.
step 1) Fix early-game TvP
step 2) Fix late-game PvT
step 3) Give Protoss a non-gimmicky way to deal with Infestor/Broodlord
step 4) Give Zerg a reliable way to fend of Protoss all-ins
I don't care how you do it, but slightly increasing Queen range is not going to help any of the major problems in any matchup.
lol if only.
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yea everybody should have their rank on the teamliquid profile cause several players are so noob to tell and that s a piece of crap...
here is my profile on sc2 ranks :
http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2136189/bObA
So I know what I am talking about.
The new indirect terran nerfs make me so sad I am thinking to stop playing cause blizzard killed all our build orders and early harass tecs... And our late game is so weak...
I am so disapointed... and there were bigger nerfes for terran but these indirect nerfes are so STUPID so that makes me crazy...
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On May 11 2012 06:30 mrjpark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:28 Leth0 wrote:On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ... You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more... He quit playing when reaper was nerfed. He quit playing when roach was buffed He quit playing when barracks after supply depot. He quit playing when Blue flame hellion was nerfed He quit playing when bunker refund was dropped from 100% to 75% He quit playing when ghost was nerfed He will quit again when queen range is increased by 2. I'm guessing he's also a smoker who's always "quitting"? I say this as a smoker myself, by the way. Anyhow, one thing I may have missed. Does guardian shield work against the queen's ground attack now?
that is actually a really good question, I will test that...
unit map tester has still the old range... yet guardian shield already works against queens (which sort of makes sense as its been a ranged upgrade always, however it is a melee animation and roaches do full damage when doing their melee animation attack even when guardin shield is enabled...
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On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ... You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more...
I dont think so.
It is the first time I tell that but now it's the last straw that broke the camel's back....
my 1v1 rank : http://sc2ranks.com/team/17486483
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I don't understand why zerg needs extra earlygame buffs to be extra greedy.
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On May 11 2012 06:39 Huragius wrote:
No impact ? Is it even worth arguing people like you ?
And about what drone kills are you people talking about ? Hellion harass alone was never ment to roast drones unless zerg did a stupid mistake. I could only image hellion harass being so effective (like most of you are talking nonsenses about) is when you about gas first on maps like Antiga Shipyard and zerg doesn't scout it. Otherwise hellion opening is meant to deny creep and delay third as long as possible. Yet again, I feel like talking to a wall.
Yes and if Terran want such map control and containing Zerg they should have to be made to work for all that benefit that get derived...
As a Zerg we tend to have to balance our drone to ling making when we see hellions coming...in many cases we tend to over-react just to be safe and this affects our economy and wastes larvae...
Early Hellion pressure can still be effective but Terrans cannot be so careless anymore...
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On May 11 2012 06:43 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:30 mrjpark wrote:On May 11 2012 06:28 Leth0 wrote:On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ... You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more... He quit playing when reaper was nerfed. He quit playing when roach was buffed He quit playing when barracks after supply depot. He quit playing when Blue flame hellion was nerfed He quit playing when bunker refund was dropped from 100% to 75% He quit playing when ghost was nerfed He will quit again when queen range is increased by 2. I'm guessing he's also a smoker who's always "quitting"? I say this as a smoker myself, by the way. Anyhow, one thing I may have missed. Does guardian shield work against the queen's ground attack now? that is actually a really good question, I will test that
Thanks, I'm at work so no testing for me 
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On May 11 2012 06:49 mrjpark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:43 TBO wrote:On May 11 2012 06:30 mrjpark wrote:On May 11 2012 06:28 Leth0 wrote:On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ... You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more... He quit playing when reaper was nerfed. He quit playing when roach was buffed He quit playing when barracks after supply depot. He quit playing when Blue flame hellion was nerfed He quit playing when bunker refund was dropped from 100% to 75% He quit playing when ghost was nerfed He will quit again when queen range is increased by 2. I'm guessing he's also a smoker who's always "quitting"? I say this as a smoker myself, by the way. Anyhow, one thing I may have missed. Does guardian shield work against the queen's ground attack now? that is actually a really good question, I will test that Thanks, I'm at work so no testing for me
unit tester map has still the old range... yet guardian shield already works against queens (which sort of makes sense as its been a ranged upgrade always, however it is a melee animation and roaches do full damage when doing their melee animation attack even when guardian shield is enabled...
o.o never realized sentries have armor 1 :o
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On May 11 2012 06:51 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:49 mrjpark wrote:On May 11 2012 06:43 TBO wrote:On May 11 2012 06:30 mrjpark wrote:On May 11 2012 06:28 Leth0 wrote:On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ... You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more... He quit playing when reaper was nerfed. He quit playing when roach was buffed He quit playing when barracks after supply depot. He quit playing when Blue flame hellion was nerfed He quit playing when bunker refund was dropped from 100% to 75% He quit playing when ghost was nerfed He will quit again when queen range is increased by 2. I'm guessing he's also a smoker who's always "quitting"? I say this as a smoker myself, by the way. Anyhow, one thing I may have missed. Does guardian shield work against the queen's ground attack now? that is actually a really good question, I will test that Thanks, I'm at work so no testing for me unit tester map has still the old range... yet guardian shield already works against queens (which sort of makes sense as its been a ranged upgrade always, however it is a melee animation and roaches do full damage when doing their melee animation attack even when guardin shield is enabled...
It's always impossible to tell what's a bug and what isn't when it comes to Blizzard and SC
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On May 11 2012 06:43 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 06:30 mrjpark wrote:On May 11 2012 06:28 Leth0 wrote:On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
Classic QQ... You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more... He quit playing when reaper was nerfed. He quit playing when roach was buffed He quit playing when barracks after supply depot. He quit playing when Blue flame hellion was nerfed He quit playing when bunker refund was dropped from 100% to 75% He quit playing when ghost was nerfed He will quit again when queen range is increased by 2. I'm guessing he's also a smoker who's always "quitting"? I say this as a smoker myself, by the way. Anyhow, one thing I may have missed. Does guardian shield work against the queen's ground attack now? that is actually a really good question, I will test that... unit map tester has still the old range... yet guardian shield already works against queens (which sort of makes sense as its been a ranged upgrade always, however it is a melee animation and roaches do full damage when doing their melee animation attack even when guardin shield is enabled...
It always did. It also always got benefited from range attack. I don't know if it's still counting as 2 attacks, otherwise there is no change besides the PDD thing.
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I can't believe the stuff I'm reading from some of these posts.
It seems that some people could care less about the balance of the game...all they care about is being able to fatally harass the zerg player while safely taking a third. Such feelings of entitlement is quite baffling.
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