On May 11 2012 05:22 SeaSwift wrote: For fuck's sake, Blizzard, stop messing with TvZ. TvZ is the most balanced non-mirror matchup in the game, by far.
step 1) Fix early-game TvP step 2) Fix late-game PvT step 3) Give Protoss a non-gimmicky way to deal with Infestor/Broodlord step 4) Give Zerg a reliable way to fend of Protoss all-ins
I don't care how you do it, but slightly increasing Queen range is not going to help any of the major problems in any matchup.
On May 11 2012 05:17 Kambing wrote: FYI: PDDs now stop the queen melee attack. So under the covers, the visual change is more than just a choice of animation which is kind of neat. Not sure if that's intended by Blizzard although given how things are set up now, it makes sense.
(Also Queen melee attacks are now buffed by ranged attack upgrades rather than melee although I can't remember if this is different from pre-patch.)
Wait, is that a joke?
If it isn't, Raven may just start being applied to openings instead of Banshees.
On May 11 2012 05:25 SharkStarcraft wrote: This seems so random... i think there's bigger changes that have to be made. Don't like the queen thing, hellion openers will become a lot weaker now.
If you play Zerg you'd know why Blizzard made the change...
If you play Terran you will now have to actually put more effort with Hellion openers...free drone kills are slightly harder to get...
On May 11 2012 03:25 cydial wrote: I don't understand how my fellow terrans are complaining about these changes. Are your strats that gimmicky that a faster moving overlord and a queen that can shoot a bit further suddenly makes you a shittier player? If that's the case go play LoL.
If queen range doesn't affect your TvZ at all, that means YOU are the one playing shitty TvZ lol.
if it affects you so much that you can't win anymore vs an opponent of equal skill, then that means YOU are the one playing shitty TvZ lol
but perhaps they shouldve started with 4 range, personally id rather have the same queen range or 4 with slightly improved movement speed on creep.
On May 11 2012 05:17 Kambing wrote: FYI: PDDs now stop the queen melee attack. So under the covers, the visual change is more than just a choice of animation which is kind of neat. Not sure if that's intended by Blizzard although given how things are set up now, it makes sense.
On May 11 2012 05:17 Kambing wrote: FYI: PDDs now stop the queen melee attack. So under the covers, the visual change is more than just a choice of animation which is kind of neat. Not sure if that's intended by Blizzard although given how things are set up now, it makes sense.
On May 11 2012 05:17 Kambing wrote: FYI: PDDs now stop the queen melee attack. So under the covers, the visual change is more than just a choice of animation which is kind of neat. Not sure if that's intended by Blizzard although given how things are set up now, it makes sense.
(Also Queen melee attacks are now buffed by ranged attack upgrades rather than melee although I can't remember if this is different from pre-patch.)
Wait, is that a joke?
If it isn't, Raven may just start being applied to openings instead of Banshees.
I doubt it, Banshees are still far more versatile and easier to fit into a build than Ravens because of the gas difference.
Who the fuck cares about trying to block a Queen's ground attack? By the time in a game where you have a raven and 100 energy, that kind of damage is insignificant.
On May 11 2012 03:25 cydial wrote: I don't understand how my fellow terrans are complaining about these changes. Are your strats that gimmicky that a faster moving overlord and a queen that can shoot a bit further suddenly makes you a shittier player? If that's the case go play LoL.
If queen range doesn't affect your TvZ at all, that means YOU are the one playing shitty TvZ lol.
if it affects you so much that you can't win anymore vs an opponent of equal skill, then that means YOU are the one playing shitty TvZ lol
but perhaps they shouldve started with 4 range
Did I say I can't win anymore ?
The vocal majority (aka low leaguers) don't realize how many harass/pressure options this patch kills for terrans and when zergs know it, they will be even more greedy.I don't care if you are sitting in your gold league and massing thors against some newbies without any harass and still win. At higher level, you must harass and apply pressure, TvZ is all about that and this patch takes a lot of room for it.
On May 11 2012 05:17 Kambing wrote: FYI: PDDs now stop the queen melee attack. So under the covers, the visual change is more than just a choice of animation which is kind of neat. Not sure if that's intended by Blizzard although given how things are set up now, it makes sense.
Funny ! After having ghost unable to snipe a zergling, now terran have useless early reaper and nerfed helions. Terran players will now use only one build order : fast CC. Good for game diversity... Can't wait for the next patch : which terran unit not being nerfed yet ? Raven ? Marine ? Let's bet...
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...
And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???
I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines. But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....
Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs... I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2.... I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....
So i have no idea why terrans bitching about hellions and the queen update, hellions is a HUUGE reward unit for a verry TINY TINY TINY TINY TINY risk, 4 hellions roast drones so hard and if u rush em out zerg cant do shitt if terran actually knows how to micro, and lets face it the queen is one of the 3 ground units that a zerg use.
On May 11 2012 06:20 Raga wrote: So i have no idea why terrans bitching about hellions and the queen update, hellions is a HUUGE reward unit for a verry TINY TINY TINY TINY TINY risk, 4 hellions roast drones so hard and if u rush em out zerg cant do shitt if terran actually knows how to micro, and lets face it the queen is one of the 3 ground units that a zerg use.
...? Are you for real ? Do you even know a shit about this game ?
I really want B.net accounts to be linked to their TL accounts. Reading posts like this makes me sad.
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