Accusations against Eclypsia - Page 12

On May 04 2012 06:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
I hardly see an issue here...

So, basically these people were contacted about a potential contract. Eclypsia offered some terms, and they sounded good. Then during what were essentially negotiations before any contract was signed, they couldn't come to an agreement. So, Eclypsia broke off the negotiations and that was the end of the matter. Now the other side comes and complains about not reaching a deal.

Even if what Eclypsia wanted was unrealistic, they didn't break any contract or anything. If anything, it feels like Mystress counted his chickens before they hatched and now is whining about it.

On May 04 2012 08:36 dtz wrote:


I think the dodgy line is about the " Oh that offer was for Na'vi"

Seems like according to Mystress, the terms that were offered by eC were accepted by ex-Quantic only for eC to track back and said, hold on that was not an offer for you. The offer and the terms were misleading.

Why state an offer for Na'vi if the whole time you are not negotiating with Na'vi. But of course we did not know the exact manner in which eC presented the offer so could have been just a misunderstanding / language issues instead of a team deliberately trying to mislead.

On May 04 2012 09:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Someone correct me if I have the facts wrong, but am I right that these dota2 players were never signed? In other words they were just in contract negotiations and then the negotiations ended? If that's the case, then isn't this whole thread about some Dota 2 players who just didn't get the deal they wanted and now are complaining about it? You could criticize Eclypsia for poor contract negotiation skills, but if I have the facts right then there is objectively no wrongdoing here.

On May 04 2012 09:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:


It went beyond negotiations. Eclypsia had already contacted Quantic to get the DotA2 players released from their current contract. In other words, there was already a set agreement in place where the DotA2 team would leave their current sponsor knowing the contract they would be signing afterwards.

This is like giving your current employer 2 weeks notice that you were quitting, and then the company that was hiring you started to add in additional clauses once it was clear you were leaving.

On May 04 2012 09:00 ZenithM wrote:
Hope desrow will be fine T.T, probably one of the most talented players out there, and the sickest pick-up from Eclypsia by far.

On May 04 2012 04:01 crms wrote:
I just find it to be down right hilarious that the community pitchforks to get people fired, emails sponsors etc., after rage induced ladder matches but an actual 'esports' company hosts its very own contest in which community members are encouraged to bash their players and it goes relatively unnoticed.

On May 04 2012 09:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Someone correct me if I have the facts wrong, but am I right that these dota2 players were never signed? In other words they were just in contract negotiations and then the negotiations ended? If that's the case, then isn't this whole thread about some Dota 2 players who just didn't get the deal they wanted and now are complaining about it? You could criticize Eclypsia for poor contract negotiation skills, but if I have the facts right then there is objectively no wrongdoing here.

On May 04 2012 11:02 lisward wrote:

A contract does not need to be written as long as you can prove that there was offer and acceptance, consideration, and intent to create legal obligations. But it's hard to judge what's going on here. From what I can tell someone here is lying.

If what the Dota2 team said is true, they were given an offer which they accepted in return for doing something (hitting a certain number I'd viewers/stream time) This kind of verbal agreement in most cases can be considered legally binding.

In any contract, each party in a contract must offer consideration, in other words, promise something of value (how much value doesn't matter, so long as it has value. Service/Money etc). According to Eclypsia, the Danish Dota 2 team could not meet the promises that they made to them (could be a promise to hit and maintain a certain number of viewers or stream for a certain stated period). If that's true, then Eclypsia was in the right to end the relationship between both of them.

Of course then again everything I said could mean nothing if there was clearly no intention on Eclypsia's side to make anything legally binding, so it's really difficult to understand what's going on without a better picture, but in my point of view, I think that this was more of the dota2 manager not understanding how contracts work, or business rather.

On May 04 2012 13:49 MDMA_ wrote:


See the issue i see here is, even though there seems to have been no contracts signed the agreement should/is legally binding because exQuantic acted financially based on the previous agreement. Even if this contract was in pieces through email, chat facebook whatever the fuck communication was used doesnt matter, it is legally binding simply because quantic acted on this information financially AFAIK. Lets be honest though, would any team/player terminate their current contract without first obtaining a second? Even if it does seem that the Dota2 is being foolish/greedy, havent they been tricked by this organization?