Accusations against Eclypsia - Page 10
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
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inermis
353 Posts
as long as their already SIGNED players are not complaining I know that they are an OK organization. | ||
windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:21 nkr wrote: "Eclypsia conditions to recruiting a team included capacities to stream and generate a specified audience. A verbal agreement was found with Mystress ‘ Danish team to be transferred to Eclypsia on the base of the understanding and the acceptation of these conditions." Yes what Mystress says. They wanted to have minimum streaming and such. The players said that was impossible and eC didn't want them then. At no point do they say anything about eC not wanting to honour Quantic contracts... | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:34 inermis wrote: why the drama ? you people want drama, go to reddit. get a grip, in my opinion it is like this: you got a contract you can come to forums, cry and whine that the team has broken the terms of the contract. you don't have anything but what you say against what they say, all you do is create unnecessary drama which helps no one involved. i believe that if there was something wrong with eclypsia we would already hear about it from the players they signed already like DesRow, Scarlet... as long as their already SIGNED players are not complaining I know that they are an OK organization. Learn to read. Eclypsia contacted Quantic to get the DOTA2 team released. As soon as it hit that point, it went well beyond an offer. | ||
DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
We're talking about potentially screwing with teams contracts and players livelihoods through ignorance and/or negligence. Eclypsia made an offer to a team, the team accepted it, Eclypsia contacted Quantic to arrange a release of the current contract, and then started to add more terms on to the agreement. Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them. | ||
below66
United States1761 Posts
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lolboi222
South Africa44 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
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windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:36 DeepElemBlues wrote: Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them. But the terms what outrageous? No money unless you have 5k viewers? Mania is the only on the team who sometimes streams now, and he gets on a good day 1k viewers. Only dota2 player streaming who consistenly gets over 3k viewers is Dendi who is regarded the best player in the world. How is that not outrageous? | ||
mememolly
4765 Posts
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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Acronysis
872 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:36 DeepElemBlues wrote: Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them. Depending on the laws of the country, the fact that Eclypsia already effected their existing contract could make the original offer binding. It would be like a company telling you to give your current employer 2 weeks notice, and then try to change their offer to you once you've done so. | ||
Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:43 rANDY wrote: I wonder what the odds are on this being a joke to get some publicity? The dota 2 team will turn around in a few days and say something to the effect of "Lol j/k Eclypsia are great, give everything they promise we are now part of their organisation we just did it for hype!" I don't think that the type of quantic. | ||
Seldentar
United States888 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:47 Acronysis wrote: It seems hard to really make any fair judgements about eclypsia in this. how much do we even know about this mystress? Idk, give the team the benefit of the doubt until its proven otherwise, otherwise it can just screw up the team for possibly no reason. They already fucked themselves before mystress said a word... | ||
Acronysis
872 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:50 Seldentar wrote: They already fucked themselves before mystress said a word... What, do you mean the april fools? | ||
windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:47 WolfintheSheep wrote: Depending on the laws of the country, the fact that Eclypsia already effected their existing contract could make the original offer binding. It would be like a company telling you to give your current employer 2 weeks notice, and then try to change their offer to you once you've done so. If it's under danish law, a verbal agreement is legal binding. As most of this information is properly handled via email and/or skype you also have proof. But that's IF it's under danish law. And nobody has the money to sue them, so discussing such stuff is stupid. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Among other things. Eclypsia has shown itself to have poor judgment when it comes to their players and their PR. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:54 windzor wrote: If it's under danish law, a verbal agreement is legal binding. As most of this information is properly handled via email and/or skype you also have proof. But that's IF it's under danish law. And nobody has the money to sue them, so discussing such stuff is stupid. Well, not entirely true. In many civil courts you're allowed to represent yourself (or your team in this case). It's generally not recommended, but certainly an option if the stakes are worth enough money for your time, but not enough to pay for a lawyer. | ||
Acronysis
872 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:54 WolfintheSheep wrote: Among other things. Eclypsia has shown itself to have poor judgment when it comes to their players and their PR. Do you mind filling me in? The only PR stunt i know of is the April Fools. And if that's it, it's not enough reason for me to hate them. While incredibly dumb, i can forgive them for that but it would be interesting if there were others. | ||
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