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Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
May 03 2012 20:32 GMT
#181
Stuff like this is pretty rampant in rookie esports organisations as far as my personal experience goes, and the offers i've heard about, they always fail to follow through, but regrettable for such a major team.
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inermis
Profile Joined September 2010
353 Posts
May 03 2012 20:34 GMT
#182
why the drama ? you people want drama, go to reddit. get a grip, in my opinion it is like this: you got a contract you can come to forums, cry and whine that the team has broken the terms of the contract. you don't have anything but what you say against what they say, all you do is create unnecessary drama which helps no one involved. i believe that if there was something wrong with eclypsia we would already hear about it from the players they signed already like DesRow, Scarlet...
as long as their already SIGNED players are not complaining I know that they are an OK organization.
play hard go pro
windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
May 03 2012 20:35 GMT
#183
On May 04 2012 05:21 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:13 windzor wrote:
On May 04 2012 05:06 nkr wrote:
On May 04 2012 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:52 Mallidon wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:43 Jono7272 wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:40 nkr wrote:
On May 04 2012 04:38 Jono7272 wrote:
So its pretty much a "hit this many viewers on your streams or don't get paid" kind of deal? Not cool. Eclypsia looking more and more like a very seedy organisation.


Do you see anything wrong in Eclypsia wanting some ROI for the salary they offered? If they didn't like the deal then all they had to say was "no, thank you" and walk away.

Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid?

If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid.


If that is part of a contract they sign, then yes?

Anyway, people can argue the rights and wrongs from both sides until they are blue in the face, doesn't change anything. Yet more forum drama full of people jumping to conclusions and using ANYTHING to discredit a team/ individual or whatever.

There are far too many drama junkies in the 'Esports community'.


And there are far too many forumgoers that can't seem to read. Try clicking on any of the articles before you start talking about drama junkies, like this one.

Eclypsia refused to honour Quantic's existing contracts. Eclypsia started changing the terms of the agreement after pushing Quantic for contract releases.


According to Eclypsia; that's not what happened.


I don't see where eC says that didn't happen. Can you please show me?

What I read is eC saying everything Mysstress said was true, but in a "nicer" language.


"Eclypsia conditions to recruiting a team included capacities to stream and generate a specified audience.
A verbal agreement was found with Mystress ‘ Danish team to be transferred to Eclypsia on the base of the understanding and the acceptation of these conditions."


Yes what Mystress says. They wanted to have minimum streaming and such. The players said that was impossible and eC didn't want them then. At no point do they say anything about eC not wanting to honour Quantic contracts...
Yeah
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 03 2012 20:36 GMT
#184
On May 04 2012 05:34 inermis wrote:
why the drama ? you people want drama, go to reddit. get a grip, in my opinion it is like this: you got a contract you can come to forums, cry and whine that the team has broken the terms of the contract. you don't have anything but what you say against what they say, all you do is create unnecessary drama which helps no one involved. i believe that if there was something wrong with eclypsia we would already hear about it from the players they signed already like DesRow, Scarlet...
as long as their already SIGNED players are not complaining I know that they are an OK organization.

Learn to read.

Eclypsia contacted Quantic to get the DOTA2 team released. As soon as it hit that point, it went well beyond an offer.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 20:40:03
May 03 2012 20:36 GMT
#185
We're talking about potentially screwing with teams contracts and players livelihoods through ignorance and/or negligence. Eclypsia made an offer to a team, the team accepted it, Eclypsia contacted Quantic to arrange a release of the current contract, and then started to add more terms on to the agreement.


Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them.
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below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
May 03 2012 20:38 GMT
#186
I have a weird feeling about this team.
lolboi222
Profile Joined March 2012
South Africa44 Posts
May 03 2012 20:39 GMT
#187
What a disqusting team. Stay away.
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
May 03 2012 20:43 GMT
#188
I wonder what the odds are on this being a joke to get some publicity? The dota 2 team will turn around in a few days and say something to the effect of "Lol j/k Eclypsia are great, give everything they promise we are now part of their organisation we just did it for hype!"
windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
May 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#189
On May 04 2012 05:36 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
We're talking about potentially screwing with teams contracts and players livelihoods through ignorance and/or negligence. Eclypsia made an offer to a team, the team accepted it, Eclypsia contacted Quantic to arrange a release of the current contract, and then started to add more terms on to the agreement.


Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them.


But the terms what outrageous? No money unless you have 5k viewers? Mania is the only on the team who sometimes streams now, and he gets on a good day 1k viewers. Only dota2 player streaming who consistenly gets over 3k viewers is Dendi who is regarded the best player in the world. How is that not outrageous?
Yeah
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
May 03 2012 20:47 GMT
#190
such a sketchy team anyways, all their PR stunts have been disastrous
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
May 03 2012 20:47 GMT
#191
MystresS seems to talk big and use big words but the truth is too big.
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Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
May 03 2012 20:47 GMT
#192
It seems hard to really make any fair judgements about eclypsia in this. how much do we even know about this mystress? Idk, give the team the benefit of the doubt until its proven otherwise, otherwise it can just screw up the team for possibly no reason.

The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 20:48:10
May 03 2012 20:47 GMT
#193
On May 04 2012 05:36 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
We're talking about potentially screwing with teams contracts and players livelihoods through ignorance and/or negligence. Eclypsia made an offer to a team, the team accepted it, Eclypsia contacted Quantic to arrange a release of the current contract, and then started to add more terms on to the agreement.


Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them.

Depending on the laws of the country, the fact that Eclypsia already effected their existing contract could make the original offer binding.

It would be like a company telling you to give your current employer 2 weeks notice, and then try to change their offer to you once you've done so.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 03 2012 20:49 GMT
#194
On May 04 2012 05:43 rANDY wrote:
I wonder what the odds are on this being a joke to get some publicity? The dota 2 team will turn around in a few days and say something to the effect of "Lol j/k Eclypsia are great, give everything they promise we are now part of their organisation we just did it for hype!"

I don't think that the type of quantic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
May 03 2012 20:50 GMT
#195
On May 04 2012 05:47 Acronysis wrote:
It seems hard to really make any fair judgements about eclypsia in this. how much do we even know about this mystress? Idk, give the team the benefit of the doubt until its proven otherwise, otherwise it can just screw up the team for possibly no reason.



They already fucked themselves before mystress said a word...
Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
May 03 2012 20:51 GMT
#196
On May 04 2012 05:50 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:47 Acronysis wrote:
It seems hard to really make any fair judgements about eclypsia in this. how much do we even know about this mystress? Idk, give the team the benefit of the doubt until its proven otherwise, otherwise it can just screw up the team for possibly no reason.



They already fucked themselves before mystress said a word...


What, do you mean the april fools?
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
May 03 2012 20:54 GMT
#197
On May 04 2012 05:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:36 DeepElemBlues wrote:
We're talking about potentially screwing with teams contracts and players livelihoods through ignorance and/or negligence. Eclypsia made an offer to a team, the team accepted it, Eclypsia contacted Quantic to arrange a release of the current contract, and then started to add more terms on to the agreement.


Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them.

Depending on the laws of the country, the fact that Eclypsia already effected their existing contract could make the original offer binding.

It would be like a company telling you to give your current employer 2 weeks notice, and then try to change their offer to you once you've done so.


If it's under danish law, a verbal agreement is legal binding. As most of this information is properly handled via email and/or skype you also have proof. But that's IF it's under danish law. And nobody has the money to sue them, so discussing such stuff is stupid.
Yeah
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 03 2012 20:54 GMT
#198
On May 04 2012 05:51 Acronysis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:50 Seldentar wrote:
On May 04 2012 05:47 Acronysis wrote:
It seems hard to really make any fair judgements about eclypsia in this. how much do we even know about this mystress? Idk, give the team the benefit of the doubt until its proven otherwise, otherwise it can just screw up the team for possibly no reason.



They already fucked themselves before mystress said a word...


What, do you mean the april fools?

Among other things. Eclypsia has shown itself to have poor judgment when it comes to their players and their PR.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 03 2012 20:56 GMT
#199
On May 04 2012 05:54 windzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 04 2012 05:36 DeepElemBlues wrote:
We're talking about potentially screwing with teams contracts and players livelihoods through ignorance and/or negligence. Eclypsia made an offer to a team, the team accepted it, Eclypsia contacted Quantic to arrange a release of the current contract, and then started to add more terms on to the agreement.


Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them.

Depending on the laws of the country, the fact that Eclypsia already effected their existing contract could make the original offer binding.

It would be like a company telling you to give your current employer 2 weeks notice, and then try to change their offer to you once you've done so.


If it's under danish law, a verbal agreement is legal binding. As most of this information is properly handled via email and/or skype you also have proof. But that's IF it's under danish law. And nobody has the money to sue them, so discussing such stuff is stupid.

Well, not entirely true. In many civil courts you're allowed to represent yourself (or your team in this case). It's generally not recommended, but certainly an option if the stakes are worth enough money for your time, but not enough to pay for a lawyer.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
May 03 2012 20:57 GMT
#200
On May 04 2012 05:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:51 Acronysis wrote:
On May 04 2012 05:50 Seldentar wrote:
On May 04 2012 05:47 Acronysis wrote:
It seems hard to really make any fair judgements about eclypsia in this. how much do we even know about this mystress? Idk, give the team the benefit of the doubt until its proven otherwise, otherwise it can just screw up the team for possibly no reason.



They already fucked themselves before mystress said a word...


What, do you mean the april fools?

Among other things. Eclypsia has shown itself to have poor judgment when it comes to their players and their PR.


Do you mind filling me in? The only PR stunt i know of is the April Fools. And if that's it, it's not enough reason for me to hate them. While incredibly dumb, i can forgive them for that but it would be interesting if there were others.
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
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