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I dont follow the SC2 scene to much anymore, but everything that I have seen Eclypsia do has been retarded.
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On May 04 2012 05:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:54 windzor wrote:On May 04 2012 05:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 05:36 DeepElemBlues wrote:We're talking about potentially screwing with teams contracts and players livelihoods through ignorance and/or negligence. Eclypsia made an offer to a team, the team accepted it, Eclypsia contacted Quantic to arrange a release of the current contract, and then started to add more terms on to the agreement.
Coming back with additional terms to a contract after one side believes that some kind of agreement has been reached is a dick move but it happens all the time in business negotiations. Sides jockey for advantage until a final deal is hammered out. Unless the new terms are outrageous it usually doesn't cause much resentment. Trying to rile up a pitchfork brigade over it as some people (not you) seem to want to do is childish and counterproductive, as it generates a lot of light and usually very little heat, just drama-filled discussions at places like TL. It's a matter to be handled at the professional level. If Eclypsia can't act professionally then they will be starved out of the community by the other, truly professional organizations refusing to get involved with them. Depending on the laws of the country, the fact that Eclypsia already effected their existing contract could make the original offer binding. It would be like a company telling you to give your current employer 2 weeks notice, and then try to change their offer to you once you've done so. If it's under danish law, a verbal agreement is legal binding. As most of this information is properly handled via email and/or skype you also have proof. But that's IF it's under danish law. And nobody has the money to sue them, so discussing such stuff is stupid. Well, not entirely true. In many civil courts you're allowed to represent yourself (or your team in this case). It's generally not recommended, but certainly an option if the stakes are worth enough money for your time, but not enough to pay for a lawyer.
Lawyers are not the only thing you have to pay to sue people. And when you have to argue that an agreement is binding you don't want to do that yourself. So stupid to do...
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On May 04 2012 05:57 Acronysis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 05:51 Acronysis wrote:On May 04 2012 05:50 Seldentar wrote:On May 04 2012 05:47 Acronysis wrote:
It seems hard to really make any fair judgements about eclypsia in this. how much do we even know about this mystress? Idk, give the team the benefit of the doubt until its proven otherwise, otherwise it can just screw up the team for possibly no reason.
They already fucked themselves before mystress said a word... What, do you mean the april fools? Among other things. Eclypsia has shown itself to have poor judgment when it comes to their players and their PR. Do you mind filling me in? The only PR stunt i know of is the April Fools. And if that's it, it's not enough reason for me to hate them. While incredibly dumb, i can forgive them for that but it would be interesting if there were others.
http://www.eclypsia.com/forum/showthread.php?65-Post-your-best-memes-to-win-coaching
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14563748
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originally thought acceptation wasn't a word, but it is, and it is older than the more commonly used 'acceptance'.
anywho, I have been wondering about Eclypsia for some time, they seemed to sort of come out of nowhere...?
They don't seem to have their game plan very fleshed out
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On May 04 2012 05:13 windzor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:06 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 04:52 Mallidon wrote:On May 04 2012 04:43 Jono7272 wrote:On May 04 2012 04:40 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 04:38 Jono7272 wrote:
So its pretty much a "hit this many viewers on your streams or don't get paid" kind of deal? Not cool. Eclypsia looking more and more like a very seedy organisation. Do you see anything wrong in Eclypsia wanting some ROI for the salary they offered? If they didn't like the deal then all they had to say was "no, thank you" and walk away. Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid?If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid. If that is part of a contract they sign, then yes? Anyway, people can argue the rights and wrongs from both sides until they are blue in the face, doesn't change anything. Yet more forum drama full of people jumping to conclusions and using ANYTHING to discredit a team/ individual or whatever. There are far too many drama junkies in the 'Esports community'. And there are far too many forumgoers that can't seem to read. Try clicking on any of the articles before you start talking about drama junkies, like this one. Eclypsia refused to honour Quantic's existing contracts. Eclypsia started changing the terms of the agreement after pushing Quantic for contract releases. According to Eclypsia; that's not what happened. I don't see where eC says that didn't happen. Can you please show me? What I read is eC saying everything Mysstress said was true, but in a "nicer" language.
I guess English isn't your language.
Eclypsia's statement basically said that they offered to pay MystresS however much amount of money UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as having certain amounts of viewers...etc.
That means, if MystresS agrees to the offer, MystresS will have to fulfill their end of it - to generate the number of viewers.
Right now, MystresS said no, we can't fulfill our end of the bargain, but we still want your money. How's that even fair?
The bottom line - Why would any sane team just give away money without asking for anything in return at all? WHY? THINK GUYS!! This ain't no charity guys.
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On May 04 2012 06:07 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:13 windzor wrote:On May 04 2012 05:06 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 04:52 Mallidon wrote:On May 04 2012 04:43 Jono7272 wrote:On May 04 2012 04:40 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 04:38 Jono7272 wrote:
So its pretty much a "hit this many viewers on your streams or don't get paid" kind of deal? Not cool. Eclypsia looking more and more like a very seedy organisation. Do you see anything wrong in Eclypsia wanting some ROI for the salary they offered? If they didn't like the deal then all they had to say was "no, thank you" and walk away. Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid?If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid. If that is part of a contract they sign, then yes? Anyway, people can argue the rights and wrongs from both sides until they are blue in the face, doesn't change anything. Yet more forum drama full of people jumping to conclusions and using ANYTHING to discredit a team/ individual or whatever. There are far too many drama junkies in the 'Esports community'. And there are far too many forumgoers that can't seem to read. Try clicking on any of the articles before you start talking about drama junkies, like this one. Eclypsia refused to honour Quantic's existing contracts. Eclypsia started changing the terms of the agreement after pushing Quantic for contract releases. According to Eclypsia; that's not what happened. I don't see where eC says that didn't happen. Can you please show me? What I read is eC saying everything Mysstress said was true, but in a "nicer" language. I guess English isn't your language. Eclypsia's statement basically said that they offered to pay MystresS however much amount of money UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as having certain amounts of viewers...etc. That means, if MystresS agrees to the offer, MystresS will have to fulfill their end of it - to generate the number of viewers. Right now, MystresS said no, we can't fulfill our end of the bargain, but we still want your money. How's that even fair? The bottom line - Why would any sane team just give away money without asking for anything in return at all? WHY? THINK GUYS!! This ain't no charity guys.
Think? How about you just read. It makes things so much easier.
According to Mystress, the original condition was streaming from 10am to 10pm every day. I'm assuming that was joint for all 5 players, and not 12 hours of streaming every day for each player. Either way, that was the agreed upon term.
Does that sound like "nothing"?
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On May 04 2012 06:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 06:07 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 05:13 windzor wrote:On May 04 2012 05:06 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 04:52 Mallidon wrote:On May 04 2012 04:43 Jono7272 wrote:On May 04 2012 04:40 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 04:38 Jono7272 wrote:
So its pretty much a "hit this many viewers on your streams or don't get paid" kind of deal? Not cool. Eclypsia looking more and more like a very seedy organisation. Do you see anything wrong in Eclypsia wanting some ROI for the salary they offered? If they didn't like the deal then all they had to say was "no, thank you" and walk away. Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid?If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid. If that is part of a contract they sign, then yes? Anyway, people can argue the rights and wrongs from both sides until they are blue in the face, doesn't change anything. Yet more forum drama full of people jumping to conclusions and using ANYTHING to discredit a team/ individual or whatever. There are far too many drama junkies in the 'Esports community'. And there are far too many forumgoers that can't seem to read. Try clicking on any of the articles before you start talking about drama junkies, like this one. Eclypsia refused to honour Quantic's existing contracts. Eclypsia started changing the terms of the agreement after pushing Quantic for contract releases. According to Eclypsia; that's not what happened. I don't see where eC says that didn't happen. Can you please show me? What I read is eC saying everything Mysstress said was true, but in a "nicer" language. I guess English isn't your language. Eclypsia's statement basically said that they offered to pay MystresS however much amount of money UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as having certain amounts of viewers...etc. That means, if MystresS agrees to the offer, MystresS will have to fulfill their end of it - to generate the number of viewers. Right now, MystresS said no, we can't fulfill our end of the bargain, but we still want your money. How's that even fair? The bottom line - Why would any sane team just give away money without asking for anything in return at all? WHY? THINK GUYS!! This ain't no charity guys. Think? How about you just read. It makes things so much easier. According to Mystress, the original condition was streaming from 10am to 10pm every day. I'm assuming that was joint for all 5 players, and not 12 hours of streaming every day for each player. Either way, that was the agreed upon term. Does that sound like "nothing"?
*According to Mystress* Sorry, that just invalidated whatever you had to say.
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interesting turn of events. I'm not sure which side to really take their word for as both sides probably have biases. Hopefully it'll all get fixed up without causing any more trouble to the team, players, or any other people involved.
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On May 04 2012 06:14 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 06:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 06:07 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 05:13 windzor wrote:On May 04 2012 05:06 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 04:52 Mallidon wrote:On May 04 2012 04:43 Jono7272 wrote:On May 04 2012 04:40 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 04:38 Jono7272 wrote:
So its pretty much a "hit this many viewers on your streams or don't get paid" kind of deal? Not cool. Eclypsia looking more and more like a very seedy organisation. Do you see anything wrong in Eclypsia wanting some ROI for the salary they offered? If they didn't like the deal then all they had to say was "no, thank you" and walk away. Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid?If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid. If that is part of a contract they sign, then yes? Anyway, people can argue the rights and wrongs from both sides until they are blue in the face, doesn't change anything. Yet more forum drama full of people jumping to conclusions and using ANYTHING to discredit a team/ individual or whatever. There are far too many drama junkies in the 'Esports community'. And there are far too many forumgoers that can't seem to read. Try clicking on any of the articles before you start talking about drama junkies, like this one. Eclypsia refused to honour Quantic's existing contracts. Eclypsia started changing the terms of the agreement after pushing Quantic for contract releases. According to Eclypsia; that's not what happened. I don't see where eC says that didn't happen. Can you please show me? What I read is eC saying everything Mysstress said was true, but in a "nicer" language. I guess English isn't your language. Eclypsia's statement basically said that they offered to pay MystresS however much amount of money UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as having certain amounts of viewers...etc. That means, if MystresS agrees to the offer, MystresS will have to fulfill their end of it - to generate the number of viewers. Right now, MystresS said no, we can't fulfill our end of the bargain, but we still want your money. How's that even fair? The bottom line - Why would any sane team just give away money without asking for anything in return at all? WHY? THINK GUYS!! This ain't no charity guys. Think? How about you just read. It makes things so much easier. According to Mystress, the original condition was streaming from 10am to 10pm every day. I'm assuming that was joint for all 5 players, and not 12 hours of streaming every day for each player. Either way, that was the agreed upon term. Does that sound like "nothing"? *According to Mystress* Sorry, that just invalidated whatever you had to say.
Eclypsia isn't a seriously reliable source either.
Who knows who's right. The only thing I find fault with so far, based on the evidence, is Eclypsia should NOT have contacted Quantic if they didn't have an agreement. It sounds like Eclypsia seriously screwed them over if they didn't have an agreement in place.
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On May 04 2012 06:15 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 06:14 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 06:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 06:07 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 05:13 windzor wrote:On May 04 2012 05:06 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 04:52 Mallidon wrote:On May 04 2012 04:43 Jono7272 wrote:On May 04 2012 04:40 nkr wrote:
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Do you see anything wrong in Eclypsia wanting some ROI for the salary they offered? If they didn't like the deal then all they had to say was "no, thank you" and walk away. Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid?If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid. If that is part of a contract they sign, then yes? Anyway, people can argue the rights and wrongs from both sides until they are blue in the face, doesn't change anything. Yet more forum drama full of people jumping to conclusions and using ANYTHING to discredit a team/ individual or whatever. There are far too many drama junkies in the 'Esports community'. And there are far too many forumgoers that can't seem to read. Try clicking on any of the articles before you start talking about drama junkies, like this one. Eclypsia refused to honour Quantic's existing contracts. Eclypsia started changing the terms of the agreement after pushing Quantic for contract releases. According to Eclypsia; that's not what happened. I don't see where eC says that didn't happen. Can you please show me? What I read is eC saying everything Mysstress said was true, but in a "nicer" language. I guess English isn't your language. Eclypsia's statement basically said that they offered to pay MystresS however much amount of money UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as having certain amounts of viewers...etc. That means, if MystresS agrees to the offer, MystresS will have to fulfill their end of it - to generate the number of viewers. Right now, MystresS said no, we can't fulfill our end of the bargain, but we still want your money. How's that even fair? The bottom line - Why would any sane team just give away money without asking for anything in return at all? WHY? THINK GUYS!! This ain't no charity guys. Think? How about you just read. It makes things so much easier. According to Mystress, the original condition was streaming from 10am to 10pm every day. I'm assuming that was joint for all 5 players, and not 12 hours of streaming every day for each player. Either way, that was the agreed upon term. Does that sound like "nothing"? *According to Mystress* Sorry, that just invalidated whatever you had to say. Eclypsia isn't a seriously reliable source either. Who knows who's right. The only thing I find fault with so far, based on the evidence, is Eclypsia should NOT have contacted Quantic if they didn't have an agreement. It sounds like Eclypsia seriously screwed them over if they didn't have an agreement in place.
Exactly my point. You can't simply base your entire argument on one side of the story. It's just sheeping.
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On May 04 2012 06:18 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 06:15 FairForever wrote:On May 04 2012 06:14 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 06:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 06:07 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 05:13 windzor wrote:On May 04 2012 05:06 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 04:52 Mallidon wrote:On May 04 2012 04:43 Jono7272 wrote:
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Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid?
If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid. If that is part of a contract they sign, then yes? Anyway, people can argue the rights and wrongs from both sides until they are blue in the face, doesn't change anything. Yet more forum drama full of people jumping to conclusions and using ANYTHING to discredit a team/ individual or whatever. There are far too many drama junkies in the 'Esports community'. And there are far too many forumgoers that can't seem to read. Try clicking on any of the articles before you start talking about drama junkies, like this one. Eclypsia refused to honour Quantic's existing contracts. Eclypsia started changing the terms of the agreement after pushing Quantic for contract releases. According to Eclypsia; that's not what happened. I don't see where eC says that didn't happen. Can you please show me? What I read is eC saying everything Mysstress said was true, but in a "nicer" language. I guess English isn't your language. Eclypsia's statement basically said that they offered to pay MystresS however much amount of money UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as having certain amounts of viewers...etc. That means, if MystresS agrees to the offer, MystresS will have to fulfill their end of it - to generate the number of viewers. Right now, MystresS said no, we can't fulfill our end of the bargain, but we still want your money. How's that even fair? The bottom line - Why would any sane team just give away money without asking for anything in return at all? WHY? THINK GUYS!! This ain't no charity guys. Think? How about you just read. It makes things so much easier. According to Mystress, the original condition was streaming from 10am to 10pm every day. I'm assuming that was joint for all 5 players, and not 12 hours of streaming every day for each player. Either way, that was the agreed upon term. Does that sound like "nothing"? *According to Mystress* Sorry, that just invalidated whatever you had to say. Eclypsia isn't a seriously reliable source either. Who knows who's right. The only thing I find fault with so far, based on the evidence, is Eclypsia should NOT have contacted Quantic if they didn't have an agreement. It sounds like Eclypsia seriously screwed them over if they didn't have an agreement in place. Exactly my point. You can't simply base your entire argument on one side of the story. It's just sheeping.
That being said Eclypsia still looks terribly bad for contacting Quantic if no agreement was in place.
Also their forum promotion seems like a huge joke and looks really bad...
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I hardly see an issue here...
So, basically these people were contacted about a potential contract. Eclypsia offered some terms, and they sounded good. Then during what were essentially negotiations before any contract was signed, they couldn't come to an agreement. So, Eclypsia broke off the negotiations and that was the end of the matter. Now the other side comes and complains about not reaching a deal.
Even if what Eclypsia wanted was unrealistic, they didn't break any contract or anything. If anything, it feels like Mystress counted his chickens before they hatched and now is whining about it.
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On May 04 2012 06:20 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 06:18 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 06:15 FairForever wrote:On May 04 2012 06:14 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 06:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 06:07 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 05:13 windzor wrote:On May 04 2012 05:06 nkr wrote:On May 04 2012 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 04 2012 04:52 Mallidon wrote:
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If that is part of a contract they sign, then yes?
Anyway, people can argue the rights and wrongs from both sides until they are blue in the face, doesn't change anything. Yet more forum drama full of people jumping to conclusions and using ANYTHING to discredit a team/ individual or whatever.
There are far too many drama junkies in the 'Esports community'. And there are far too many forumgoers that can't seem to read. Try clicking on any of the articles before you start talking about drama junkies, like this one. Eclypsia refused to honour Quantic's existing contracts. Eclypsia started changing the terms of the agreement after pushing Quantic for contract releases. According to Eclypsia; that's not what happened. I don't see where eC says that didn't happen. Can you please show me? What I read is eC saying everything Mysstress said was true, but in a "nicer" language. I guess English isn't your language. Eclypsia's statement basically said that they offered to pay MystresS however much amount of money UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, such as having certain amounts of viewers...etc. That means, if MystresS agrees to the offer, MystresS will have to fulfill their end of it - to generate the number of viewers. Right now, MystresS said no, we can't fulfill our end of the bargain, but we still want your money. How's that even fair? The bottom line - Why would any sane team just give away money without asking for anything in return at all? WHY? THINK GUYS!! This ain't no charity guys. Think? How about you just read. It makes things so much easier. According to Mystress, the original condition was streaming from 10am to 10pm every day. I'm assuming that was joint for all 5 players, and not 12 hours of streaming every day for each player. Either way, that was the agreed upon term. Does that sound like "nothing"? *According to Mystress* Sorry, that just invalidated whatever you had to say. Eclypsia isn't a seriously reliable source either. Who knows who's right. The only thing I find fault with so far, based on the evidence, is Eclypsia should NOT have contacted Quantic if they didn't have an agreement. It sounds like Eclypsia seriously screwed them over if they didn't have an agreement in place. Exactly my point. You can't simply base your entire argument on one side of the story. It's just sheeping. That being said Eclypsia still looks terribly bad for contacting Quantic if no agreement was in place. Also their forum promotion seems like a huge joke and looks really bad...
I definitely agree with most of what you said, they don't look all proper, but that's pretty much beside the point.
Also, one other thing is that in the business world, companies contact each other all the time. They could present proposals for purchases, transfers, partnerships..etc, but there does NOT need to be a contract at the time of proposal, because that's just plain silly.
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On May 04 2012 06:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
I hardly see an issue here...
So, basically these people were contacted about a potential contract. Eclypsia offered some terms, and they sounded good. Then during what were essentially negotiations before any contract was signed, they couldn't come to an agreement. So, Eclypsia broke off the negotiations and that was the end of the matter. Now the other side comes and complains about not reaching a deal.
Even if what Eclypsia wanted was unrealistic, they didn't break any contract or anything. If anything, it feels like Mystress counted his chickens before they hatched and now is whining about it.
This is precisely how I see this drama, because contacts and negotiations are always made before reaching a contract that's mutually agreed upon. And obviously, there was no mutual agreement here.
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It's all a PR stunt to generate hype for Eclypsia signing GosiTerran.
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On May 04 2012 06:27 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 06:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
I hardly see an issue here...
So, basically these people were contacted about a potential contract. Eclypsia offered some terms, and they sounded good. Then during what were essentially negotiations before any contract was signed, they couldn't come to an agreement. So, Eclypsia broke off the negotiations and that was the end of the matter. Now the other side comes and complains about not reaching a deal.
Even if what Eclypsia wanted was unrealistic, they didn't break any contract or anything. If anything, it feels like Mystress counted his chickens before they hatched and now is whining about it.
This is precisely how I see this drama, because contacts and negotiations are always made before reaching a contract that's mutually agreed upon. And obviously, there was no mutual agreement here.
Still they promised a certain deal and then suddenly kept lowering what they were giving, which is just weird to say the least.
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I feel like Eclypsia fucked them selves over with this a lot. It wouldt surprise me if the disband in like a month IF Misstresses side of the story is accurate (although the press release of Eclypsia made me beleve that even more ...)
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On May 04 2012 06:35 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 06:27 dacimvrl wrote:On May 04 2012 06:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
I hardly see an issue here...
So, basically these people were contacted about a potential contract. Eclypsia offered some terms, and they sounded good. Then during what were essentially negotiations before any contract was signed, they couldn't come to an agreement. So, Eclypsia broke off the negotiations and that was the end of the matter. Now the other side comes and complains about not reaching a deal.
Even if what Eclypsia wanted was unrealistic, they didn't break any contract or anything. If anything, it feels like Mystress counted his chickens before they hatched and now is whining about it.
This is precisely how I see this drama, because contacts and negotiations are always made before reaching a contract that's mutually agreed upon. And obviously, there was no mutual agreement here. Still they promised a certain deal and then suddenly kept lowering what they were giving, which is just weird to say the least.
That's one side of the story. The other side of the story could simply be they made a sweet offer with strings attached, read, the negotiations.
For instance, a mom promised a kid she would take the kid to DisneyWorld on condition that the kid gets straight As. You should know what the rest of it looks like.
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On May 04 2012 05:20 Alejandrisha wrote:
it's not that they are hurting esports. they just suck at it. that and running a respectable storefront which is the name of the game right now. they probably won't get hurt in court for any of this but the situation just makes them look really unprofessional. if they were a protoss player, idra would call them gimmicky.
I think he does that to almost every protoss player in some form or another. Wait... weren't you a blue poster? What did you do, advocate for the standardization of Adelscott's no-gas build in PvP?
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This is a joke. When Eclypsia released their "April fools" event, they were suppose to prove their legitimacy to the world, yet they have things like this making the front pages of e-sports news.
This ex-Quantic dota2 team PAID out of their own pockets to have their contracts with Quantic end in order to join Eclpysia. I'm 100% certain, that a dota 2 team with a stable situation such as Quantic, would have no reason to leave and pay out of their own pockets unless Eclypsia made a substantial offer.
for those of you who seem to side with Eclypsia, a pro team such as ex-Quantic are certainly not retarded and would not leave such a stable situation unless they were offered something better. This just makes Eclypsia look more and more unprofessional...
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