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SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
May 05 2012 23:51 GMT
#261
you know that when they haven't completely shut down these accusations they are true.
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Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
May 05 2012 23:53 GMT
#262
On May 05 2012 14:33 MDMA_ wrote:
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On May 04 2012 19:25 dmfg wrote:
On May 04 2012 13:49 MDMA_ wrote:
On May 04 2012 11:02 lisward wrote:
On May 04 2012 09:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Someone correct me if I have the facts wrong, but am I right that these dota2 players were never signed? In other words they were just in contract negotiations and then the negotiations ended? If that's the case, then isn't this whole thread about some Dota 2 players who just didn't get the deal they wanted and now are complaining about it? You could criticize Eclypsia for poor contract negotiation skills, but if I have the facts right then there is objectively no wrongdoing here.

A contract does not need to be written as long as you can prove that there was offer and acceptance, consideration, and intent to create legal obligations. But it's hard to judge what's going on here. From what I can tell someone here is lying.

If what the Dota2 team said is true, they were given an offer which they accepted in return for doing something (hitting a certain number I'd viewers/stream time) This kind of verbal agreement in most cases can be considered legally binding.

In any contract, each party in a contract must offer consideration, in other words, promise something of value (how much value doesn't matter, so long as it has value. Service/Money etc). According to Eclypsia, the Danish Dota 2 team could not meet the promises that they made to them (could be a promise to hit and maintain a certain number of viewers or stream for a certain stated period). If that's true, then Eclypsia was in the right to end the relationship between both of them.

Of course then again everything I said could mean nothing if there was clearly no intention on Eclypsia's side to make anything legally binding, so it's really difficult to understand what's going on without a better picture, but in my point of view, I think that this was more of the dota2 manager not understanding how contracts work, or business rather.


See the issue i see here is, even though there seems to have been no contracts signed the agreement should/is legally binding because exQuantic acted financially based on the previous agreement. Even if this contract was in pieces through email, chat facebook whatever the fuck communication was used doesnt matter, it is legally binding simply because quantic acted on this information financially AFAIK. Lets be honest though, would any team/player terminate their current contract without first obtaining a second? Even if it does seem that the Dota2 is being foolish/greedy, havent they been tricked by this organization?


Dunno about other countries, but in the UK a verbal contract is legally binding.

Anyway the two possibilities here are:
a) Mystress is telling the truth, they came to an agreement, left Quantic, and Eclipsia pulled the rug out under them by adding new, not-agreed-on conditions, or
b) Eclipsia is telling the truth, they never came to any agreement, Mystress etc left Quantic with no agreement, to begin negotiations, and didn't like the conditions in the agreement

I'm inclined to believe Mystress's side here, since nobody in sports has ever been foolish enough to leave their current contract before negotiating a new one (especially when that destroys any negotiating power they may have had), and because of Eclipsia's frankly terrible history in esports.


Yeah as far as i know, in Canada verbal contracts (emails, facebook any means of communication) is legally binding if one party acts on those contracts legally. In this case, its pretty clear that ex-Quantic acted financially, by paying for the release fees to be released from their quantic contracts. I am totally in agreement with you, i highly doubt a stable team would leave such a huge and well known e-sports entity such as Quantic.


Under US laws, emails and other electronic forms of communication are not considered verbal, but written contracts. Verbal is strictly verbal. Verbal contracts can be binding in many situations, but there are others (such as those defined by the Statute of Frauds) that require a written contract.
Hertzy
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland355 Posts
May 06 2012 15:37 GMT
#263
Fun fact; "Verbal contract" is a contract expressed in words, "Oral contract" is one that's not written down. Also, Liquipedia says that Eclypsia is based in the UK, and one article I found about the oral contract law there (on Gilligham Solicitors' website, http://www.gillhams.com/articles/325.cfm) says that "It is immaterial whether the contract is verbal, in writing, or partially verbal and partially written, although common sense says that recording the agreement in writing creates a document that may be referred to for its terms in the event of a dispute between the parties" and that "In deciding whether a contract is complete, a court will consider a contract to be formed when, from the viewpoint of an officious bystander, the parties have agreed in the same terms on the same subject matter. "

I'd say that Eclypsia fulfilled the latter condition on their end when they announced that they are signing the team.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 06 2012 15:44 GMT
#264
wow i am having a really hard time finding any good in this team, they obviously dont know anything about the community and ahve no idea how they should be acting
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
May 12 2012 18:38 GMT
#265
They think you can make money off esports>
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
May 12 2012 18:38 GMT
#266
Lol I thought someone had bumped the April Fool's date, then I saw the day. I guess they weren't as promising as everyone thought...
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dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
May 12 2012 18:44 GMT
#267
This is another scary example of what its like out there for players.
MysteryTerran
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States178 Posts
May 12 2012 18:47 GMT
#268
I heard that Eclypsia couldn't pay the players because they spent all the sponsorship $ to feed desRow so he wouldn't eat the Koreans

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Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
May 12 2012 18:52 GMT
#269
Can anyone tell me what did Eclypsia do for april's fool? Everyone seems to know except me
Xyik
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada728 Posts
May 12 2012 18:54 GMT
#270
Never heard of the meme contest Eclypsia hosted but wow, what a joke? This team is garbage and deserves to be run into the ground.
phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
May 12 2012 19:00 GMT
#271
Eclypsia gives me the impression of a joke team
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
May 12 2012 19:01 GMT
#272
On May 13 2012 03:52 Mondieu wrote:
Can anyone tell me what did Eclypsia do for april's fool? Everyone seems to know except me


Hey you go, this is the thread with the aprils fool in it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325188
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 12 2012 19:01 GMT
#273
On May 13 2012 03:52 Mondieu wrote:
Can anyone tell me what did Eclypsia do for april's fool? Everyone seems to know except me

ironically enough they faked the scenario thats happening right now rofl
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BesideHimself
Profile Joined November 2010
United States30 Posts
May 12 2012 19:09 GMT
#274
On May 13 2012 04:01 teddyoojo wrote:
ironically enough they faked the scenario thats happening right now rofl


kinda... although this has less to do with player compensation and more to do with team aquisition procedures.
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beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
May 12 2012 19:23 GMT
#275
On May 13 2012 04:01 teddyoojo wrote:
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On May 13 2012 03:52 Mondieu wrote:
Can anyone tell me what did Eclypsia do for april's fool? Everyone seems to know except me

ironically enough they faked the scenario thats happening right now rofl

maybe that scenario was real back then, and the team owner paid some money to make players shut up and claim it was an april's fool joke.



not too unreasonable.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
May 12 2012 19:33 GMT
#276
Whatever the case, they had their month or two of glory and won't be remaining relevant for much longer.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
May 12 2012 20:16 GMT
#277
and the funny thing is that the guy who was part of the joke (Welmu) is still part of the team when everyone else in the international roster has left
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 20:35:33
May 12 2012 20:35 GMT
#278
On May 13 2012 03:47 MysteryTerran wrote:
I heard that Eclypsia couldn't pay the players because they spent all the sponsorship $ to feed desRow so he wouldn't eat the Koreans

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POST OF THE YEAR (no offence but it was good )

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hordala
Profile Joined October 2011
61 Posts
May 12 2012 20:44 GMT
#279
Are these people trying to kill e-sports? They're pretty good at it, now everyone will be paranoid when a new team appears.... Good luck to desrow artist and scarlett they were finally on a team and now team less...again..... excluding scarlett.
hatespam
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania161 Posts
May 12 2012 20:46 GMT
#280
eclypsia ruining esports?
ask, and you shall have asked
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