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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 03 2013 10:50 GMT
#3161
Above grandmaster MMR but cannot get promoted because its full or some people have even higher MMR, poor me :[
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 11:34:31
July 03 2013 11:30 GMT
#3162
On July 03 2013 19:50 NarutO wrote:
Above grandmaster MMR but cannot get promoted because its full or some people have even higher MMR, poor me :[

Yes. Actual GM promotion requirements are are dynamic. The GM lines in MMR tool are just historical estimates what they were in past. To get in now, may require considerably higher MMR.

Edit: Also worth noting that I may have set EU GM line little too low & US GM line little too high. These were set based on data from 1.5 to 2 weeks after season start (0.5 to 1 week of GM open) to roughly where masters & GM:s started mixing.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 03 2013 11:38 GMT
#3163
On July 03 2013 20:30 korona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 19:50 NarutO wrote:
Above grandmaster MMR but cannot get promoted because its full or some people have even higher MMR, poor me :[

Yes. Actual GM promotion requirements are are dynamic. The GM lines in MMR tool are just historical estimates what they were in past. To get in now, may require considerably higher MMR.

Edit: Also worth noting that I may have set EU GM line little too low & US GM line little too high. These were set based on data from 1.5 to 2 weeks after season start (0.5 to 1 week of GM open) to roughly where masters & GM:s started mixing.


I actually don't believe its too low, or would you need to have higher MMR than top 50/top 100 gm to be promoted? Some of the gm players I meet barely have 2100, some have 2250+ but thats top 50+
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 12:01:18
July 03 2013 11:52 GMT
#3164
On July 03 2013 20:38 NarutO wrote:
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On July 03 2013 20:30 korona wrote:
On July 03 2013 19:50 NarutO wrote:
Above grandmaster MMR but cannot get promoted because its full or some people have even higher MMR, poor me :[

Yes. Actual GM promotion requirements are are dynamic. The GM lines in MMR tool are just historical estimates what they were in past. To get in now, may require considerably higher MMR.

Edit: Also worth noting that I may have set EU GM line little too low & US GM line little too high. These were set based on data from 1.5 to 2 weeks after season start (0.5 to 1 week of GM open) to roughly where masters & GM:s started mixing.


I actually don't believe its too low, or would you need to have higher MMR than top 50/top 100 gm to be promoted? Some of the gm players I meet barely have 2100, some have 2250+ but thats top 50+

GM entry is dynamic. E.g. if there are 200 spots available, they are reserved to top 200 MMR active non-gm:s (or MMR moving average if it is used for GM promotions, but to simplify I talk only MMR in this post). If there is 1 spot available, it is reserved to the active non-GM player who has highest MMR at that point. Once you get in GM you will not be demoted, unless your unspent bonus points rise over 180 (1 week worth of bonus points). Thus many GM players have actually lower MMR than many master players --> their MMR has dropped since / some master players have risen regarding MMR or were not active when GM opened.

To get in GM is usually easiest just when GM opens. To get in during the season sometimes requires MMR that is close to very top of that server (e.g. Lalush posted here last season or season before about having problems reaching GM. At that point he actually had much higher MMR than average GM players back then, but I guess there was some non-gm:s at that point who had even higher. He got back to GM some time later).
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 03 2013 11:57 GMT
#3165
Yeah I know :-(! Thank you for explaining anyways. I will just play and play-_-
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Hashmeister
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany238 Posts
July 03 2013 19:48 GMT
#3166
Since now a season only lasts 2 months, I wanted to ask if MMR Stats resets itself at the start of each season or do the MMR values remain the same in every season?
bit.ly/hashmeister
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
July 03 2013 20:39 GMT
#3167
On July 04 2013 04:48 Hashmeister wrote:
Since now a season only lasts 2 months, I wanted to ask if MMR Stats resets itself at the start of each season or do the MMR values remain the same in every season?


The MMR values only get archived when Blizzard changes the league offsets. Otherwise, your MMR carries over from the previous season.
Cereal
FlyingBeer
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States262 Posts
July 07 2013 00:50 GMT
#3168
The MMR tool still hasn't been fixed. I'm a roughly rank 30 Master's player and yet the MMR tool has consistently shown me in diamond league. I reset my account back to platinum a little before the start of this season, and you could see at the beginning of the season where I was rising through the ranks of diamond. A little past halfway is where the new tool update came out and this is also around the time where I was promoted into Master''s. I've had a lot more time to play recently, so with this many games, I figured it should have corrected itself by now, but it's still showing me as mid-Diamond. I'm a 600 point Master league player.

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korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
July 07 2013 01:42 GMT
#3169
On July 07 2013 09:50 FlyingBeer wrote:
The MMR tool still hasn't been fixed. I'm a roughly rank 30 Master's player and yet the MMR tool has consistently shown me in diamond league. I reset my account back to platinum a little before the start of this season, and you could see at the beginning of the season where I was rising through the ranks of diamond. A little past halfway is where the new tool update came out and this is also around the time where I was promoted into Master''s. I've had a lot more time to play recently, so with this many games, I figured it should have corrected itself by now, but it's still showing me as mid-Diamond. I'm a 600 point Master league player.

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Division ranks do not mean anything. With quick look of your data from your last match, you indeed seem to be a master player who has a diamond range MMR. Your adjusted points in the end of your last match were -98. When people are promoted they have 73 adjusted points. Heavily generalizing this usually can be translated "you are somewhere near the border when you have 73 adjusted points (ignoring the start of the season when too few games played)". Blizzard does not demote players anymore in the middle of the season (only via placements matches).

Also worth noting is that Blizzard's matchmaker seems to prefer to match players primarily with players from their league (with similar MMR) and secondarily from other leagues (with similar MMR). Thus it is not obvious when you approach the league border or go under by observing your opponent's league.
TheResinoGoo
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia6 Posts
July 07 2013 15:13 GMT
#3170
Hey guys, I love this tool, thank you for all your work on it. Ive been having some problems with it since hots came out. I'm aware that you are still adjusting it due to blizzard changing the MMR requirements for some leagues recently(?). However, almost all of the time I am getting guesses. Is there anything I can do to fix this or do I have to wait for further updates?
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Thanks again
Rizzelet
Profile Joined February 2008
United States74 Posts
July 07 2013 15:24 GMT
#3171
On July 07 2013 10:42 korona wrote:
Blizzard does not demote players anymore in the middle of the season (only via placements matches).


How do you define the "middle of the season"? Does this mean that after you've gone through your placement matches it is impossible for you to be demoted? Or, is it that after some time once the season has started demotions no longer occur?

Also just wanted to say thank you for this incredible tool and all of the hard work you and InfCereal have put into updating it~~
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
July 07 2013 15:40 GMT
#3172
On July 08 2013 00:24 Rizzelet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 10:42 korona wrote:
Blizzard does not demote players anymore in the middle of the season (only via placements matches).


How do you define the "middle of the season"? Does this mean that after you've gone through your placement matches it is impossible for you to be demoted? Or, is it that after some time once the season has started demotions no longer occur?

Also just wanted to say thank you for this incredible tool and all of the hard work you and InfCereal have put into updating it~~


At the start of each season, you have to play a single placement match. At the time of this posting, that game is the only time you can be demoted.
Cereal
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
July 07 2013 15:41 GMT
#3173
On July 08 2013 00:13 TheResinoGoo wrote:
Hey guys, I love this tool, thank you for all your work on it. Ive been having some problems with it since hots came out. I'm aware that you are still adjusting it due to blizzard changing the MMR requirements for some leagues recently(?). However, almost all of the time I am getting guesses. Is there anything I can do to fix this or do I have to wait for further updates?
+ Show Spoiler +
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Thanks again


Hi, do you have the ram scanner enabled?
Cereal
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
July 07 2013 22:56 GMT
#3174
On July 08 2013 00:13 TheResinoGoo wrote:
Hey guys, I love this tool, thank you for all your work on it. Ive been having some problems with it since hots came out. I'm aware that you are still adjusting it due to blizzard changing the MMR requirements for some leagues recently(?). However, almost all of the time I am getting guesses. Is there anything I can do to fix this or do I have to wait for further updates?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Thanks again

Everything seems fine regarding your graph. You are a diamond player who is in high platinum range. In that range due to capping rules your MMR can only be calculated from uncapped platinum or lower opponents (diamond & master opponents are usually all capped in that MMR range).

Please read this post to learn who are usually capped:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561&currentpage=153#3055

Thankfully you have had lots of opponents from lower leagues who are uncapped. Thus the tool has been able to calculate your MMR quite often. But if your MMR would be just over the diamond line, then such opponents would be much more rare. This is also the reason why some, who have enabled the memory reader, get results ('good games') very seldom. If they are stable in the lower MMR range of some league then their opponents are usually from same or higher league and are all capped. MMR cannot be calculated from capped opponents.
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 01:13:18
July 08 2013 01:13 GMT
#3175
It would be really neat if the developer of this tool and the developer of ggtracker.com teamed up and integrated their services together.
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
July 08 2013 01:14 GMT
#3176
On July 08 2013 10:13 SpaceYeti wrote:
It would be really neat if the developer of this tool and the developer of ggtracker.com teamed up and integrated their services together.


Wouldn't it?
Cereal
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
July 08 2013 09:29 GMT
#3177
On July 08 2013 10:13 SpaceYeti wrote:
It would be really neat if the developer of this tool and the developer of ggtracker.com teamed up and integrated their services together.

This is not commercial tool like ggtracker is.
synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
July 08 2013 09:45 GMT
#3178
And sadly Blizz supports commercial shit but not actual non-profit, community projects ~_~
TheResinoGoo
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia6 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 10:01:55
July 08 2013 09:47 GMT
#3179
On July 08 2013 00:41 InfCereal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:13 TheResinoGoo wrote:
Hey guys, I love this tool, thank you for all your work on it. Ive been having some problems with it since hots came out. I'm aware that you are still adjusting it due to blizzard changing the MMR requirements for some leagues recently(?). However, almost all of the time I am getting guesses. Is there anything I can do to fix this or do I have to wait for further updates?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Thanks again


Hi, do you have the ram scanner enabled?


Hey, yes ramscanner is enabled, always has been.
Rizzelet
Profile Joined February 2008
United States74 Posts
July 08 2013 22:39 GMT
#3180
On July 08 2013 00:40 InfCereal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:24 Rizzelet wrote:
On July 07 2013 10:42 korona wrote:
Blizzard does not demote players anymore in the middle of the season (only via placements matches).


How do you define the "middle of the season"? Does this mean that after you've gone through your placement matches it is impossible for you to be demoted? Or, is it that after some time once the season has started demotions no longer occur?

Also just wanted to say thank you for this incredible tool and all of the hard work you and InfCereal have put into updating it~~


At the start of each season, you have to play a single placement match. At the time of this posting, that game is the only time you can be demoted.


Great, thanks for the reply. Good bye ladder anxiety....
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