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On July 25 2013 03:53 Denoginizzer wrote:well here my game logfile: 20:33:6 Ramscanner: name1 : Denogginizer 20:33:6 Ramscanner: id1 : 1-4241209 20:33:6 Ramscanner: name2 : HolyJaw 20:33:6 Ramscanner: id2 : 1-1481763 20:34:0 Pre-Trigger: player 1: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4241209/1/Denogginizer/20:34:0 Pre-Trigger: player 2: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1481763/1/HolyJaw/and my logfile: 0:32:36 -------------------------- 20:32:37 Game Start detected 20:32:37 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS 20:33:6 Reading Memory ...OK 20:33:6 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles! 20:33:46 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles 20:33:54 Webgrabber: Player true 20:34:0 Webgrabber: Opponent true 20:34:0 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles 20:34:0 Pre-Trigger done
No post-game lines (post-trigger)? Are you sure there is nothing wrong with your sc2gears replay autosave settings? Are the replays still autosaved?
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ok good morning...... i forgot to put on my autosave replay settings
put it on and it works fine !
sorry i did not read the F&^%$ing manual,
thanks for supporting this noob question 
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I know that it requires one good game and that it can take a while, I have ramscanner active just checking that the tool is stil lworking, I haven't had a good game for 73 games :/ http://puu.sh/3M1bT.jpg
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Looking at the logfile I think I may just be getting unlucky 
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On July 26 2013 15:38 Azalima wrote:I know that it requires one good game and that it can take a while, I have ramscanner active just checking that the tool is stil lworking, I haven't had a good game for 73 games :/ http://puu.sh/3M1bT.jpg
Based on the picture, without looking at your actual data, it looks like you have had plenty of 'good games'. Last was either of the two last games and second last was the third last game (the graph changes in those spots more than 'estimate step'). If you want to see which games are 'good games' you can go 'Config' > 'Data' > 'mark assumptions / bad games'. On the other hand I presume you are a platinum. It is normal that the opponent's MMR cannot be calculated from your data as you are capped (low plat range or lower league range).
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But all the other "good games" appear with a white fill rather than grey for the opponent, I assume this would happen for every good game. to shed some light on why it changes so much there, it's where I've lost games to gold players so I assume it makes an assumption on that but not sure. Sorry for being a noob ^^;
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I've searched fairly extensively and have not yet found an answer to this extremely simple question:
Does the MMR plugin only work with 1v1?
I've left it running for a few days now. I only play team games. It still hasn't found a suitable match. My guess is that this only works for 1v1.
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United States12240 Posts
Yes, it only works for 1v1.
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On July 27 2013 02:03 Eregos wrote:
I've searched fairly extensively and have not yet found an answer to this extremely simple question:
Does the MMR plugin only work with 1v1?
I've left it running for a few days now. I only play team games. It still hasn't found a suitable match. My guess is that this only works for 1v1.
It only works for 1v1 Ranked matches.
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I've been having trouble recently, and of course I accidentally closed Sc2gears so my log is gone, but here is the graph
+ Show Spoiler +
I've been solidly in diamond league this whole time. I believe the log kept saying "Unknown change points for player" for most of the games. Is there anything I can do about this? Also I do have ram scanner on.
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On July 27 2013 05:47 SirPsychoMantis wrote:I've been having trouble recently, and of course I accidentally closed Sc2gears so my log is gone, but here is the graph + Show Spoiler +I've been solidly in diamond league this whole time. I believe the log kept saying "Unknown change points for player" for most of the games. Is there anything I can do about this? Also I do have ram scanner on.
The graph looks quite nice. I quickly browsed through your uploaded data. Progression of your adjusted points indeed suggests that you have been in platinum range for a while. Nowadays Blizzard does not demote people during the season. Player can only be demoted in the placement match (there may be a special case when starting from blank MMR that demotion could happen after initial placement, but I have not checked).
I also checked that the tool has recorded complete data from most of your matches. There are two different algorithms that are run after the match to calculate the change points and it is enough that either of them succeeds. The first algorithm uses both pre-game & post-game data and as you have ram scanner on, it usually succeeds (there may be web server problems etc that occasionally cause fail). The second algorithm uses only post-game data and in most cases it will fail (from post-game data opponent's change points can only be calculated if the opponent wins and has unused bonus pool after the match). The change points in this case mean the ladder point change that does not include bonus points.
Edit: Now 1.5 weeks after Chinese HotS release there are still no HotS/WoL identifiers on Chinese character profile web pages. Thus no support for Chinese HotS & matches are automatically set bad. I have checked situation at least once a day, but will not check as frequently in the future. If somebody notices that they have added HotS/WoL identifiers to Chinese profiles please let me know in this thread.
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What is the reasoning behind losses always being ranked higher then wins on the graph.
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On July 27 2013 06:22 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 05:47 SirPsychoMantis wrote:I've been having trouble recently, and of course I accidentally closed Sc2gears so my log is gone, but here is the graph + Show Spoiler +I've been solidly in diamond league this whole time. I believe the log kept saying "Unknown change points for player" for most of the games. Is there anything I can do about this? Also I do have ram scanner on. The graph looks quite nice. I quickly browsed through your uploaded data. Progression of your adjusted points indeed suggests that you have been in platinum range for a while. Nowadays Blizzard does not demote people during the season. Player can only be demoted in the placement match (there may be a special case when starting from blank MMR that demotion could happen after initial placement, but I have not checked). I also checked that the tool has recorded complete data from most of your matches. There are two different algorithms that are run after the match to calculate the change points and it is enough that either of them succeeds. The first algorithm uses both pre-game & post-game data and as you have ram scanner on, it usually succeeds (there may be web server problems etc that occasionally cause fail). The second algorithm uses only post-game data and in most cases it will fail (from post-game data opponent's change points can only be calculated if the opponent wins and has unused bonus pool after the match). The change points in this case mean the ladder point change that does not include bonus points. Edit: Now 1.5 weeks after Chinese HotS release there are still no HotS/WoL identifiers on Chinese character profile web pages. Thus no support for Chinese HotS & matches are automatically set bad. I have checked situation at least once a day, but will not check as frequently in the future. If somebody notices that they have added HotS/WoL identifiers to Chinese profiles please let me know in this thread.
Huh, interesting, I have only played one or two high platinum players in my past several games.
EDIT: Also, if it is complete why are there only 3 non-grey points?
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On July 27 2013 10:58 clitvin wrote:
What is the reasoning behind losses always being ranked higher then wins on the graph.
They...have to be. When you lose, your graph goes down because you lose rating, so obviously that will create a peak in your graph. All the valleys in the graph will be wins for the same reason.
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Ok So i'm going to be honest I Do tech support and I'm very good with computers..... I follow your instructions to install and I know i'm missing a very very very key component...... Someone willing to help me out i'm just missing something I dont know what it is but i can't install it....
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On July 27 2013 10:58 clitvin wrote:
What is the reasoning behind losses always being ranked higher then wins on the graph.
I have been waiting this question for some time. I presume you mean why relative value from the loses seems to be relatively slightly higher than relative value from wins. For example (L ='good game' loss, w = 'bad game' win, W = 'good game' win):
L - w - W
Let us presume the opponents were similar MMR level opponents. From 'L' game your MMR from the start of it was calculated. Second game was a 'bad game' and your MMR could not be calculated from it. The third was a 'good game' and your MMR from the start of it was calculated. The MMR value from the first game is slightly higher than the value from the third game.
This is due changes to the Blizzard's system. It seems that wins and losses are not anymore handled totally equal regarding visible point changes (slight difference that affects MMR calculation). But I have not had time to analyze and adjust. And as the difference most of the time is small this has not been a priority case. In most of these cases the real value would be somewhere between (slightly higher than win value, slightly lower than lose value). This was also reflected when I fixed the cap detection (was not aware of the of the discussed case back then). For either loses or wins the results were exactly the same as not_that noticed a year ago, but for the other there was a slight transition.
And if you did not mean this with your question, then read the Excalibur_Z's answer few messages back.
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On July 28 2013 03:14 SirPsychoMantis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 06:22 korona wrote:On July 27 2013 05:47 SirPsychoMantis wrote:I've been having trouble recently, and of course I accidentally closed Sc2gears so my log is gone, but here is the graph + Show Spoiler +I've been solidly in diamond league this whole time. I believe the log kept saying "Unknown change points for player" for most of the games. Is there anything I can do about this? Also I do have ram scanner on. The graph looks quite nice. I quickly browsed through your uploaded data. Progression of your adjusted points indeed suggests that you have been in platinum range for a while. Nowadays Blizzard does not demote people during the season. Player can only be demoted in the placement match (there may be a special case when starting from blank MMR that demotion could happen after initial placement, but I have not checked). I also checked that the tool has recorded complete data from most of your matches. There are two different algorithms that are run after the match to calculate the change points and it is enough that either of them succeeds. The first algorithm uses both pre-game & post-game data and as you have ram scanner on, it usually succeeds (there may be web server problems etc that occasionally cause fail). The second algorithm uses only post-game data and in most cases it will fail (from post-game data opponent's change points can only be calculated if the opponent wins and has unused bonus pool after the match). The change points in this case mean the ladder point change that does not include bonus points. Edit: Now 1.5 weeks after Chinese HotS release there are still no HotS/WoL identifiers on Chinese character profile web pages. Thus no support for Chinese HotS & matches are automatically set bad. I have checked situation at least once a day, but will not check as frequently in the future. If somebody notices that they have added HotS/WoL identifiers to Chinese profiles please let me know in this thread. Huh, interesting, I have only played one or two high platinum players in my past several games. EDIT: Also, if it is complete why are there only 3 non-grey points?
The matchmaker nowadays seems to primarily pick opponents from your league with similar MMR and secondarily from other leagues with similar MMR. Thus it is not anymore obvious when you approach league barriers. And there are lots of 'higher league' players with lower league MMR (promotions are 'easy', demotions do not happen).
MMR cannot be calculated reliably from capped opponents. As you are in diamond & your MMR below diamond range, the only uncapped opponents you face are from lower leagues. Read rough example regarding which opponents are usually capped (league sizes increased little for this season so relative 'uncapped range' is now little larger): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561¤tpage=153#3055
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On July 28 2013 07:55 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Ok So i'm going to be honest I Do tech support and I'm very good with computers..... I follow your instructions to install and I know i'm missing a very very very key component...... Someone willing to help me out i'm just missing something I dont know what it is but i can't install it....
Unpack the zip package into 'Plugins' folder of sc2gears > (re)start sc2gears > enable the tool from sc2gears plugin manager > add your character accounts (& preferably enable memory reader) > start playing. Notice that the tool requires that sc2gears autosave is enabled and configured correctly.
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That is my problem I have literally checked everywhere on this computer.... The only sc2gears is in the MMR package..... I've checked appdata roaming local i've checked users documents starcraft 2 as well as program files starcraft 2 and I've ran a complete search on the whole computer through every file.... its nowhere to be found if you could elaborate on this step it would be helpful as to what you are referring to as sc2gears and maybe there is an extra step that i'm missing or just stupidly overlooking.....
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