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KillerofGods
United States34 Posts
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elimzkE
Australia92 Posts
Any way to fix this? I remember it only needing 4 - 6 games before it could guestimate my MMR | ||
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BurningRanger
Germany303 Posts
On July 11 2013 20:46 elimzkE wrote: I used to use this in WoL so I redownloaded it to use with HotS recently. It is stuck on "Needs a game with better data" (currently on 0/31) Any way to fix this? I remember it only needing 4 - 6 games before it could guestimate my MMR In WoL it didn't need that many games, right. It needs a lot more with HotS, because Blizzard messed with the system so much. What you can do: Activate Memory Scanner and play, play, play.  | ||
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KillerofGods
United States34 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2447/ot03.png) If its too soon to tell or even to guess than you don't have to respond | ||
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BurningRanger
Germany303 Posts
On July 12 2013 14:57 KillerofGods wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hmm how do the offsets look for the lower leagues? This is my graph, and I'm still in silver. If its too soon to tell or even to guess than you don't have to respond I think the offsets are quite much right in lower leagues. I'm in Gold and MMR Stats shows me in the middle of Gold too. In your case there are 2 points. First is that you have to stay above the Gold line for some games for the system to be sure that you won't fall below the line again too soon. So maybe you just need some more games. Second point is that you kinda have to lose before being promoted. Imagine you having a huge win streak (because you trained like a pro or so  ) carrying you into Platinum or even higher. The system will wait for you to settle somewhere before it promotes you, but then you can get promoted 2 or 3 leagues at once, if you got that much better.Anyways... just play on and you'll get promoted, when the system is somewhat sure that you belong right there. | ||
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KillerofGods
United States34 Posts
On July 12 2013 17:17 BurningRanger wrote: I think the offsets are quite much right in lower leagues. I'm in Gold and MMR Stats shows me in the middle of Gold too. In your case there are 2 points. First is that you have to stay above the Gold line for some games for the system to be sure that you won't fall below the line again too soon. So maybe you just need some more games. Second point is that you kinda have to lose before being promoted. Imagine you having a huge win streak (because you trained like a pro or so ) carrying you into Platinum or even higher. The system will wait for you to settle somewhere before it promotes you, but then you can get promoted 2 or 3 leagues at once, if you got that much better.Anyways... just play on and you'll get promoted, when the system is somewhat sure that you belong right there. Thanks for the reply I figured it would either be offsets or something like that because I've heard that before back in WoL. I'm just anxious for my promo as I was plat my first HotS season (probably should've been in gold, but got some ladder anxiety and didn't play enough) skipped a season and got placed in bronze (somehow not like I was on a losing streak or anything) worst part is I was actually facing silvers so if felt like I was smurfing. Good news that the offsets are fine in the low leagues than or at least appears so. | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On July 12 2013 14:57 KillerofGods wrote: Hmm how do the offsets look for the lower leagues? This is my graph, and I'm still in silver. If its too soon to tell or even to guess than you don't have to respond come on, you play 9 games and expect the tool to calculate your MMR? play another 40 and then we can talk | ||
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KillerofGods
United States34 Posts
On July 12 2013 18:26 Zeon0 wrote: come on, you play 9 games and expect the tool to calculate your MMR? play another 40 and then we can talk Uhh all it takes is 1 game to do so tyvm (1 good game) and I'm not complaining was just wondering jeesh yell at a guy for asking a question even though he stated before that they could be off but based on the other leagues they should be right or at the very very least approximately to where they will be. (Unless I missed a post inbetween the two which I may have.) Also I knew I was low on games but I've seen people where the line barely crosses over and they get promoted I think the tool is working fine and its just the blizzard matchmaking system like someone above me has stated. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On July 12 2013 18:33 KillerofGods wrote: Uhh all it takes is 1 game to do so tyvm (1 good game) and I'm not complaining was just wondering jeesh yell at a guy for asking a question even though he stated before that they could be off but based on the other leagues they should be right or at the very very least approximately to where they will be. (Unless I missed a post inbetween the two which I may have.) Also I knew I was low on games but I've seen people where the line barely crosses over and they get promoted I think the tool is working fine and its just the blizzard matchmaking system like someone above me has stated. It could also be because I presume you started from blank MMR. Your MMR changes much more faster in the beginning. Also there are some promotion rules regarding certain amount of games played after blank start. Such as master promotion can happen at the 25th match at earliest (includes 5 promotion matches). Thanks for the date bug report. It will be fixed in next version of the MMR tool, which is likely released end of next week. HotS will be released for China next week and a new version of MMR tool is needed to enable HotS for them. I will set DB lock for China day or two before the release. Thus all Chinese matches will be automatically set 'bad'. I am not entirely sure what will happen after HotS release. I presume HotS matches will still record, but will appear only after the MMR tool is updated as estimate matches. WoL matches continue to record normally. If Blizzard would have already updated Chinese profile pages, I could update MMR tool before the Chinese HotS launch. But they have not and it may take some time for them to do so after HotS release. But when Chinese profile pages are updated, I can update the web profile reader for China & add support for both WoL & HotS for them. | ||
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NiteshadeSC2
Canada98 Posts
Can we expect a new version of MMR plugin that will actually work a little more accurately on a regular basis? - I do appreciate the hard, and free, work that is put into it - but I would really appreciate it running much like it did last season... - Thanks again, Niteshade | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On July 14 2013 16:06 NiteshadeSC2 wrote: So I've been using the mmr tool for a VERY long time, and I have noticed as of late, that the reliability of the data is well.... not good. Out of the 50 odd games shown, only 6 matches being an accurate "mmr" read. The rest are all opponent filler. Obviously it isn't reporting data correctly on my matches. I am aware of the "closed' matches etc claimed about blizzard, but there are many matches Ive seen where both myself and my opponent are showing win/loss pts - yet these matches are also not used. Can we expect a new version of MMR plugin that will actually work a little more accurately on a regular basis? - I do appreciate the hard, and free, work that is put into it - but I would really appreciate it running much like it did last season... - Thanks again, Niteshade Based on your description everything seems working as supposed. Also I have not noticed problems regarding the data recording (nothing has changed). If you are at the bottom of your league (or not played enough games) Blizzard artificially boosts the ladder points you get & decreases ladder points you lose. When you are in this 'capping zone' your MMR cannot be reliably calculated from the available data. Please note that Blizzard changed league offsets in the beginning of this season. Your relative position regarding leagues also changed. For example you may have been at the top part of your league last season where opponents are uncapped & thus got lots of 'good games'. Now you may be at bottom part of your league where most opponents are capped & thus get good games very seldom. Read rough example regarding which opponents are usually capped (league sizes increased little for this season so relative 'uncapped range' is now little larger): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561¤tpage=153#3055 If you are not using memory reader then search & read following question from the original post: "What is a pre-requisite to be able get a 'good game' (a game from which user's MMR can be calculated). What is the difference if memory reader is on vs off?" Also many of the terms you use are incorrect such as "reporting data correctly", "will actually work a little more accurately on a regular basis". It records the limited data available by Blizzard accurately (ignoring some quite rare data errors that happen near to bonuspool increase tick). But if your opponent is capped based on the data, the tool cannot calculate your MMR from it. Thus it estimates your MMR for that game from the closest following (or preceding) 'good game'. The estimates are also quite close also in long run as Blizzard's matchmaker actually does quite good job matching you with similar MMR opponents (estimates are based on typical change against similar MMR opponents). | ||
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NiteshadeSC2
Canada98 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Wc14TLP.jpg) | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
19:18:42 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/293343/1/Mendelfist/ 19:18:42 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1990956/1/Xitrec/ 19:18:42 ERROR LASTCHECK : Both players invalid This happens for every game. The web pages look ok in a browser. | ||
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Denoginizzer
Netherlands13 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3235069/1/Denoginizzer/ No errors when starting mmr tool. any got a idea to solve this ? thanks in advance | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3235069/1/Denoginizzer/ladder/135434#current-rank "2013 Season 4 - 1v1 Silver" and here's another: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1157896/1/Brotoss/ladder/139317#current-rank "2013 Season 4 - 1v1 Gold" compared to: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/835852/1/ProdofVoid/ladder/153910#current-rank "2013 Season 4 - 1v1 Gold Division Khaydarin Mu" The division names are no longer appearing on the EU server. You guys are both EU players so this may be related. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:13 Excalibur_Z wrote: This could have something to do with it: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3235069/1/Denoginizzer/ladder/135434#current-rank "2013 Season 4 - 1v1 Silver" and here's another: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1157896/1/Brotoss/ladder/139317#current-rank "2013 Season 4 - 1v1 Gold" compared to: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/835852/1/ProdofVoid/ladder/153910#current-rank "2013 Season 4 - 1v1 Gold Division Khaydarin Mu" The division names are no longer appearing on the EU server. You guys are both EU players so this may be related. Correct. There are changes to EU profile web pages (for example all division names were removed). US profile pages are unchanged at the moment. Also HotS was released for China, but Blizzard has not updated Chinese profiles. At the moment Chinese profiles do not separate HotS & WoL ladders in any way. --> not possible to read correct data for correct game. Will have to wait until Blizzard separates HotS & WoL for Chinese ladder somehow (hopefully in same way as in other regional ladder profiles). But there is no point of making quick changes now based on EU profiles. I will monitor if Blizzard changes the profile pages even more & will these changes be implemented to other regional ladder profiles too. When situation stabilizes then I will update the MMR tool. EDIT: Now Blizzard has changed EU profiles back to old format and web reader works (until Blizzard makes more changes). So no changes needed for EU at the moment. Hopefully Chinese profiles are updated soon, so I can add support for Chinese HotS during this week. EDIT 2: Compared current (fixed) version & changed version with diff. It seems that the missing division name was the only change. --> Change was likely not intentional, but likely caused by some data communication problem between their servers. Also found that the web reader indeed invalidated the data if division name was missing for other than GM players. I will change this in the future version so missing division name will not invalidate the data. EDIT 3: 2013-07-22 Still no updates for Chinese web profiles (profiles do not separate HotS & WoL in any way) --> Thus no Chinese HotS support & Chinese DB remains locked. Remains to be seen how long it takes for Blizzard to update the profiles (during the global launch earlier this year it took some days to add game identifiers to profiles for other servers. Now its been nearly a week for China) | ||
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Denoginizzer
Netherlands13 Posts
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Denoginizzer
Netherlands13 Posts
i added my us account and he sees no data at all. i played some games he founds my profile and he found my opponent profile but not gather any data. my logging looks like this: LOG FILE: + Show Spoiler + 19:10:34 MMR-Stats 9.4 19:10:34 --------INIT START-------- 19:10:34 OK File-Encoding UTF-8 19:10:34 OK Sc2Gears auto-save is enabled. 19:10:34 Loading HOTS DB file... 19:10:34 OK Loading DB version 14.4 done 19:10:35 OK DB up to date! 19:10:35 Loading character profiles: 19:10:35 Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3235069/1/Denoginizzer/ 19:10:35 Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4241209/1/Denogginizer/ 19:10:35 OK Settings loaded! 19:10:35 OK Gamedata: 56 Games loaded. 19:10:35 Loading Archive... 19:10:35 No Data Found! 19:10:35 Memory scanner is enabled 19:10:35 OK Triggers ready! 19:10:37 OK: Program is up to date 19:10:37 --------INIT END-------- i searched many of the pages of this thread, but no found any solution. i really want to use this tool for both profiles, andbody can help ? thanks in advance ! | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On July 25 2013 02:18 Denoginizzer wrote: i got another question about this nice tool, my first EU account works nice and see some good graphs. i added my us account and he sees no data at all. i played some games he founds my profile and he found my opponent profile but not gather any data. my logging looks like this: LOG FILE: + Show Spoiler + 19:10:34 MMR-Stats 9.4 19:10:34 --------INIT START-------- 19:10:34 OK File-Encoding UTF-8 19:10:34 OK Sc2Gears auto-save is enabled. 19:10:34 Loading HOTS DB file... 19:10:34 OK Loading DB version 14.4 done 19:10:35 OK DB up to date! 19:10:35 Loading character profiles: 19:10:35 Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3235069/1/Denoginizzer/ 19:10:35 Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4241209/1/Denogginizer/ 19:10:35 OK Settings loaded! 19:10:35 OK Gamedata: 56 Games loaded. 19:10:35 Loading Archive... 19:10:35 No Data Found! 19:10:35 Memory scanner is enabled 19:10:35 OK Triggers ready! 19:10:37 OK: Program is up to date 19:10:37 --------INIT END-------- i searched many of the pages of this thread, but no found any solution. i really want to use this tool for both profiles, andbody can help ? thanks in advance ! Indeed no data has been uploaded regarding that US character, but there is plenty from EU character. What does the 'game log' say when you play matches with the US character? | ||
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Denoginizzer
Netherlands13 Posts
20:33:6 Ramscanner: name1 : Denogginizer 20:33:6 Ramscanner: id1 : 1-4241209 20:33:6 Ramscanner: name2 : HolyJaw 20:33:6 Ramscanner: id2 : 1-1481763 20:34:0 Pre-Trigger: player 1: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4241209/1/Denogginizer/ 20:34:0 Pre-Trigger: player 2: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1481763/1/HolyJaw/ and my logfile: 0:32:36 -------------------------- 20:32:37 Game Start detected 20:32:37 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS 20:33:6 Reading Memory ...OK 20:33:6 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles! 20:33:46 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles 20:33:54 Webgrabber: Player true 20:34:0 Webgrabber: Opponent true 20:34:0 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles 20:34:0 Pre-Trigger done | ||
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