EPTStop post suggestions for 35 energy, 33,7 energy, etc
Or 25, or 50... or 75, but last sounds more ridiculous
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Stop post suggestions for 35 energy, 33,7 energy, etc Or 25, or 50... or 75, but last sounds more ridiculous | ||
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roym899
Germany426 Posts
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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Leth0
856 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:55 Shiori wrote: You heard it here first, folks: best change since the most poorly thought out change in Sc2 history. More well thought out then your posts. It must make you angry to see your race get nerfed yet the pro terran players continue to dominate no matter how much you cry "gamebreaking". | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:59 Leth0 wrote: More well thought out then your posts. It must make you angry to see your race get nerfed yet the pro terran players continue to dominate no matter how much you cry "gamebreaking". I'm not a Terran player. I'm Protoss. I have no reason to be biased against a Ghost nerf. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:32 Shiori wrote: I remember when people said the Ghost nerf would make it useless against lategame Zerg. Oops, looks like they were right. Just because people over-estimated a change in BETA doesn't mean that bad ideas don't exist today. I can't see Terran lasting much longer. Queens with 50 energy is reprehensible. This sort of change is ridiculous and even takes away from the sort of decisions that make this a strategy game (i.e. When do I drop that creep tumor versus when do I inject?). That element of uncertainty and decision-making is what makes a good RTS. I'm a Rank 1 Master Terran and if all of these changes come into effect, I will quit this game. It's hard enough studying for the LSAT while trying to stay active on Sc2, but this will indeed be the final straw. The International win rates of TvP and TvZ are, at this moment, artificially higher than what they should be. Since so many Terrans have dropped from the race as a result of their inability to win (having either switched races, stopped ladder matches, or quit the game entirely), the Win % of the remaining Terrans has increased, but again this increase is artificial. This increase comes from the reduction of the weaker Terran players who have left. The win rate of the remaining Terran players could have still gone down, or remained the same. People should re-read that bit if they do not understand it. The evidence of this can be seen on NA and EU where Terrans count for 1/4 of the race selections in the GM and Master Leagues. This was not the case a few months ago. Additionally, Terrans are now winning in the Early or Mid-Game stages from All-in or Semi-All-in strategies. They recognize, as MVP did versus Naniwa, that opting for a Mid-Late to Late Game versus Protoss is to put yourself at a severe disadvantage. If only David Kim had released Win % per unit of Time, so that it could be in evidence that Terran players are winning more early and increasingly less later on. But of course he did not do this, because to do so would illuminate the already glaring problem of late game TvP (which he notoriously left out). It's my belief that over the next few months, Protoss will adapt to these Early and Mid-Game strategies (with safer builds like the 2 Gate we have been seeing in the GSL), and they will stave off these attacks, grant a Late Game scenario and mop up the Terran as a result. The Korean Win rates for April have been released and you can see that Terran is taking a swift fall. Expect this to continue because there is no unit or strategy that Terran has not employed that will change this outcome. Terrans can move more to the Early and Mid-Game timings, which indeed they will. But after these options become known and exhausted, Terran is left with nowhere to go. Great Balance! | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:31 densha wrote: Seriously, I know it's fashionable to completely over-react and pretend like little changes will destroy an entire part of the game (i.e. "protoss will never be able to FE against 4 range roaches!!11!!"), but in this case it's just silly what some people are claiming will happen. Don't forget about the "4 range roaches make hellions worthless because they can't kite anymore"  Or the wonderful "Supply depot before barracks is stupid. It limits the terran early game too much". | ||
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symbolic
254 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:06 Diavlo wrote: Don't forget about the "4 range roaches make hellions worthless because they can't kite anymore" Or the wonderful "Supply depot before barracks is stupid. It limits the terran early game too much". roaches are 3 range... | ||
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Powster
United States650 Posts
For the observer change.. thats not a very big deal.. I never felt like 10 seconds faster to have an observer is going to let me survive easier.. maybe cheaper / faster moving or something... | ||
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Leth0
856 Posts
If you are gonna '..." you should at least be right.....you're not..... ..... . | ||
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jimbob615
Uruguay455 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:57 Existor wrote: Remember, they will NEVER make energy, or any cost, that is not divided by 25. Stop post suggestions for 35 energy, 33,7 energy, etc Or 25, or 50... or 75, but last sounds more ridiculous actually, the high templar energy upgrade in starcraft 1 gave it 65 energy.  | ||
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KangaRuthless
United States304 Posts
Overlord speed is pretty cool though | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:05 zmansman17 wrote: Queens with 50 energy is reprehensible. This sort of change is ridiculous and even takes away from the sort of decisions that make this a strategy game (i.e. When do I drop that creep tumor versus when do I inject?). That element of uncertainty and decision-making is what makes a good RTS. This. Really well said. Let's give orbital command 100 starting energy so you can scan and use a mule. Or not. | ||
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NesquiKGG
100 Posts
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria925 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:09 Leth0 wrote: If you are gonna '..." you should at least be right.....you're not..... ..... . Ya pretty sure they bumped it up from 3 to 4 a LONG time ago... edit; yup patch 1.1.2 ahh how I miss the 2 armor 1 supply roaches... imagine that in todays meta game... ZvP stephano style.. would be nasty. | ||
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:05 zmansman17 wrote: I'm a Rank 1 Master Terran and if all of these changes come into effect, I will quit this game. You really can't be enjoying this game if you are quitting over zerg getting one additinal creep tumor per queen early game... | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:15 NesquiKGG wrote: This pool sucks.. cause all terran and protoss players are voting against the energy change ... :/ I didn't. I only voted against the observer buff, because i'm unsure about the other ones. And I play P and T. Not everyone is a retard on tl. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:57 Existor wrote: Or 25, or 50... or 75, but last sounds more ridiculous *Either 25 or 50. Anyway, in my opinion the overlord buff is required, the observer one shouldn't break the game, but perhaps drop it by just 5 seconds, not 10. The queen buff is unnecessary. | ||
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Animostas
United States568 Posts
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