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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 27 2012 02:43 GMT
#81
Remove Protoss already.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
foxmulder_ms
Profile Joined February 2011
United States140 Posts
April 27 2012 02:43 GMT
#82
Still, completely TRUE!:



Idra's best analyses

Terran determines what goes at early game in both TvZ and TvP.
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
April 27 2012 02:45 GMT
#83
finally they address zerg scouting.. zerg will actually be a good race now if they don't mess this buff up
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
April 27 2012 02:46 GMT
#84
At every level but the top top it seems Zerg are perfectly fine, and i personally don't feel there are many problems so these stats are surprising as hell to me o_o. I guess having mainly terran/protoss friends who bitch 24/7 about zerg has gotten to me!
sAviOr...
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 27 2012 02:48 GMT
#85
What? Zerglings... flying supply depots spotting the naturals or dying for the greater good...

Protoss has the hardest time scouting Terran, they have to heavily rely on the stalker to make reads.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
April 27 2012 02:51 GMT
#86
please redesign protoss for HOTS
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
April 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#87
What? Toss is favored on Korhal Compound? I guess it's because of the ridiculous amount of 2 base all ins on that map.
=Þ
wwowz
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
April 27 2012 02:56 GMT
#88
Current stand:
Protoss is Imba, but Terran wins the games, but Zerg wins the tournaments.

Just saying...
PlacidPanda
Profile Joined September 2011
United States246 Posts
April 27 2012 02:57 GMT
#89
Terran whining about TvP late game 5.4.3....
Squirtle Hwaitting!!
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong748 Posts
April 27 2012 02:57 GMT
#90
In my personal opinion, late game PvT isn't imbalanced, it slightly favors toss yes, but every matchup a race generally has an advantage at certain stages of the game, its not ideal balance by any means, but its just the way it is. Imbalance to me is that even if you outplay your opponent, you often find yourself on the short end of the stick - and I don't see that happening regularly at all. Out of the tons of recent PvT's I've watched in the GSL, the one who plays better generally wins, which is the way it should be. For example Genius (who is no slouch at late game PvT), got completely dismantled by Supernova on daybreak recently even though it was "late game" 4 base v 4 base. Supernova played better, and thus he won convincingly.

And besides, think about this, if they do decide nerf late game Toss or buff late game Terran - that means it'll have to come with a corresponding buff to early/mid game Toss or early/mid game terran nerf (the latter probably the more preferable of the two?). Because win rates and tournament results wise, Terran is doing absolutely fine, unlike previous eras where zerg/toss truly struggled mightily, you cannot justify a plain buff without any takes as it would mess up balance considerably. And I'm not sure blizzard will be willing to do anything drastic to the metagame before HOTS gets released.
dronefarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States260 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 02:59:21
April 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#91
Blizzard just doesn't know what it's doing. Every terran is bitching about TvP lategame and has been for a very long time, and ZvP is horrible; it always comes down to the most boring inch forward/backward into the protoss fucking up and losing or landing the vortex and probably winning (not to mention it's horrible to spectate; the main point of this game). And now they're talking about being concerned about protoss starting out to slow? Are they so stupid? Then they want to buff or nerf things so things aren't so hard for lower level players?

Beyond that, stop spending time posting these PR posts about how you think the game is fine and fix something that everyone has been complaining about forever, like bnet features or (at least) tournament lan because every event gets fucked over because of lag/dc's (unless they cast from replays, in which case they can't synch the games properly between 2 people)and it makes your company look horrible.
If you can chill, chill
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
April 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#92
statistics dont really prove much. they have a match making system.
EG-TL!
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
April 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#93
This game is remarkably well balanced. Thanks Blizz and David Kim, you guys are doing a great job!
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 03:03:00
April 27 2012 03:01 GMT
#94
You have to wonder why Toss did not dominate the scene before Khaydarin amulet was cut. (chargelot buff notwithstanding) Imagine KA coming back today. I would hear T's QQ from miles away. ^^
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
April 27 2012 03:05 GMT
#95
I like the part about Protoss 'only exploring 1 or 2 base warp gate allins' early on in the game. It's so true. Terran was innovating from the start, Zergs were underpowered so they explored every possible style imaginable in every matchup, and Protoss just did warp gate allins.

Even David Kim acknowledges the pro players' sentiments that Protoss players were just bad from the start and only now are starting to demonstrate how strong that race is.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 27 2012 03:05 GMT
#96
every "balance report" i've read since beta has left me confused and dismayed. the balance issues and trends they choose to focus on seem so out of touch with reality, it's as if they don't have professional players on the balance team. (yes, sarcasm) however the reports are always so well worded with popular buzzwords such as "metagame" so people take blizz seriously even tho they don't know fuck all about what they're doing
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
April 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#97
On April 27 2012 12:01 usethis2 wrote:
You have to wonder why Toss did not dominate the scene before Khaydarin amulet was cut. (chargelot buff notwithstanding) Imagine KA coming back today. I would hear T's QQ from miles away. ^^


too busy playing 2 base all in. Protoss matches generally don't ever hit past 20 minute mark until recently
malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
April 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#98
have they been watching the GSL recently?
EVery TVP goes like this:

Protoss goes for 2-3 nexus super fast - Adds a ton of gateways - stomps terran into the ground in the mid game..

failing that it's a 2 base warp gate all in which if fails, storm saves the day and the lategame terran gets trounced again.

Cant wait to try out the new zerg scouting methods though!
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
April 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#99
On April 27 2012 10:32 schmutttt wrote:
Even as a Zerg player I feel TvP late game needs addressing.

good thing you are a zerg player.
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
April 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#100
On April 27 2012 11:37 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 11:35 Zerothegreat wrote:
On April 27 2012 11:21 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On April 27 2012 11:17 windsupernova wrote:
On April 27 2012 11:12 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Every time David Kim does one of these, the community takes it as an opportunity to QQ. For the love of god, stop doing these Blizz.


Haha this.
Its especially baffling considering that now most of the QQ comes from T who.... are half and half with P in Code S, won Dreamhack, and last MLG?

P lategame may be powerful but the MU is obviously winnable.

its 5P 3T in code S atm, and a zerg won the last MLG


And FruitDealer won the first GSL, but that didn't mean anything. Zerg really needed buffing back then.

What was "obvious" is Zerg had a harder time winning. I think most people are pointing out how hard it is for Zerg to win because they are a very reactionary race and not being able to scout in early game can lead to them dying to timing attacks and early pressures.

how is this relevant to what i was saying? i just corrected his statistics


You should probably add more than just that one line then. It sounds like you are arguing that Zerg is fine because the best Zerg in the world right now barely managed to win the recent MLG.
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