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DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
April 27 2012 01:32 GMT
#21
On April 27 2012 10:19 Sajaki wrote:
Nothing about TvP lategame what a joke.

Seriously they must not read.
S1 3500+ Master T. S2 1600+ Master T.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
April 27 2012 01:33 GMT
#22
On April 27 2012 10:28 Kira__ wrote:
keep in mind that the stats shown there are ALL leagues... so they mean fuck all.


So painful to have these stats analyzed and used as justifications when they reflect every league. -_-
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 01:35:37
April 27 2012 01:35 GMT
#23
taking stats from ladder as balance is the worst idea i have EVER seen

EDIT: oh god its from all leagues? that is 100 times worse.
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
April 27 2012 01:35 GMT
#24
Why do they even bother showing every league? They used to show each league.
S1 3500+ Master T. S2 1600+ Master T.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
April 27 2012 01:36 GMT
#25
On April 27 2012 10:35 L3g3nd_ wrote:
taking stats from ladder as balance is the worst idea i have EVER seen

EDIT: oh god its from all leagues? that is 100 times worse.


why? they said they care about balance in all leagues. If there is a huge disparity when the ladder is supposed to be designed for 50% win rates their is obviously something wrong.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 01:37:03
April 27 2012 01:36 GMT
#26
I'll be real, anyone who watches or plays enough sc2 knows that Protoss is too favored in the late game vs Terran at the moment. I'm not sure if there just needs to be a metagame shift or if they actually have to patch something or adjust maps, but It's starting to get kind of silly.

We'll see what happens, maybe a new biomech composition needs to be dreamed up or something.

edit: also this comes from a protoss player
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 01:36:58
April 27 2012 01:36 GMT
#27
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akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
April 27 2012 01:36 GMT
#28
"Protoss has good representation in terms of the number of protoss tournament qualifiers at the general professional level, but has the lowest representation at the very highest professional level."

This article is an absolute joke.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
April 27 2012 01:38 GMT
#29
Please don't make PvZ harder >< These stats... :L

O well.. I guess we can expect only so much T_T
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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Encrypto
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
April 27 2012 01:38 GMT
#30
On April 27 2012 10:36 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 10:35 L3g3nd_ wrote:
taking stats from ladder as balance is the worst idea i have EVER seen

EDIT: oh god its from all leagues? that is 100 times worse.


why? they said they care about balance in all leagues. If there is a huge disparity when the ladder is supposed to be designed for 50% win rates their is obviously something wrong.


Balance in each individual league is very different than balance overall.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 27 2012 01:39 GMT
#31
70% PvT win rate on Cloud Kingdom is quite significant I feel, that roughly 2 Protoss wins for every Terran victory.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 27 2012 01:39 GMT
#32
They only talk about gerneral win rate again, as usual. No mention whatsoever about TvP mid game, or late game, or BL/infestor,....
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
April 27 2012 01:40 GMT
#33
On April 27 2012 10:14 Encrypto wrote:
In our current map pool, we’re seeing that not every map we’ve added to our pool is balanced for every matchup. For example, our data shows a 70% PvT win ratio on Cloud Kingdom, a 62% win ratio in PvZ on Korhal Compound, and a 37% win ratio on Metalopolis for TvZ. It’s worth noting that these represent the heaviest imbalances in the maps on our ladder, but that this also isn’t necessarily a problem.

Our current stance on this is we believe slight imbalances in maps actually make the game more interesting, as long as the imbalances aren’t too great.



70%, 62% and 37% aren't too great? What?
Inno pls...
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 01:49:41
April 27 2012 01:42 GMT
#34
Terran dominated the last three MLGs (apart from DRG just pipping MKP in the final of the last one, Dreamhack, Asus, The Gathering, Copenhagen Games and still have had good representation in the GSL. They have a 60-40% win rate in Korea at tournament level and a 54-46% win rate over protoss internationally as of last month. The amount of hysterical whining from terran players when they are still getting far better results than the other races is completely ridiculous. I'm hope David Kim and the balance team don't let themselves be influenced by such senseless advocacy.

http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 27 2012 01:42 GMT
#35
how exactly do they work out 'unadjusted skill' from ladder when the whole ladder adjusts for your skill so you only get 50% when its working?

i genuinely want to know how this could possibly be done
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
April 27 2012 01:44 GMT
#36
Even David Kim uses the word metagame to mean "the popular strategy". sigh
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 01:46:34
April 27 2012 01:44 GMT
#37
On April 27 2012 10:19 Sajaki wrote:
Nothing about TvP lategame what a joke.


Micro better? Terran has the higher skill cap for a reason =D

Edit: I like the current balance. I'm curious if they are going to do anything about the map imbalance in the foreseeable future.
CLG/Liquid ~~ youtube.com/reddedgaming
Meerel
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany713 Posts
April 27 2012 01:44 GMT
#38
On April 27 2012 10:42 turdburgler wrote:
how exactly do they work out 'unadjusted skill' from ladder when the whole ladder adjusts for your skill so you only get 50% when its working?

i genuinely want to know how this could possibly be done

only blizzard knows ~~
SDMF
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 01:49:30
April 27 2012 01:47 GMT
#39
On April 27 2012 10:36 Dodgin wrote:
I'll be real, anyone who watches or plays enough sc2 knows that Protoss is too favored in the late game vs Terran at the moment. I'm not sure if there just needs to be a metagame shift or if they actually have to patch something or adjust maps, but It's starting to get kind of silly.

We'll see what happens, maybe a new biomech composition needs to be dreamed up or something.

edit: also this comes from a protoss player


Terran is still favored earlier game and has better overall win rates both in Korea and internationally at the highest level. Why would they patch it when terran still has better win rates at tournament level?

http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 27 2012 01:47 GMT
#40
How they get these statistics, I am so positive they make this shit up lol.
When I think of something else, something will go here
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