EPTYou rarely use "meta-" for something that changes so often.
Talking Balance with David Kim - Page 7
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usethis2
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You rarely use "meta-" for something that changes so often. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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usethis2
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On April 27 2012 12:31 Bayyne wrote: I wonder what "early game scouting option" David Kim has in mind. My guess is a new ability for the Queen: 25 energy, flying zergling type quick as fuck unit that has 25 hp but does no damage whatsoever and has no use other than just zipping around like a fly. The most logical thing that comes to mind is overlord speed increase (to something like queen's off-creep speed) so that an overlord can at least see 1/3 of the main before it dies. | ||
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Typesno
United States12 Posts
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Anandunaiss
Canada3 Posts
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BoondockVeritas
United States191 Posts
As protoss (and random) I'm ashamed of the people who I share a race with. We have storm, colossi, immortals, warp prisms, mothership and carriers.. okay jk about carriers.. but really more people need to use more protoss units than just warp gate all-ins. I think zerg has been all over they're tech paths for a long time, but terran idk.. Zerg got creative and did baneling drops with +2 attack to one shot workers. Terran could do that with a raven, but MMM works too. Zerg uses roach/hydra/corruptor, muta/ling, ling/infestor, infestor/roach, mass roach, baneling drops with various armies, and brood lord/corruptor/infestor as armies against at least protoss to win that match. I hear horror stories of the "200/200 death ball" from terran about protoss, but they have nowhere near as much creativity in new ideas as zerg imo. Maybe nerf terran down to zerg level and then when everything feels bad then they will try other compositions and builds? When I am protoss against the super zerg army and I can't fight it head on I just drop everywhere and then I get damage without engaging. Idk. Just my opinion. | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
On April 27 2012 12:32 usethis2 wrote: Is it just me or anyone else dislike the word "metagame"? I just think it's just not the right term to refer to a trend in strategy, state of the game, or otherwise balance. You rarely use "meta-" for something that changes so often. I played MtG for quite a while and it had the same meaning there. I guess people who are new to the term will find it might not make sense or seem weird but some people are used to it I guess. | ||
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pOnarreT
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Werx
United States54 Posts
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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BurgerAce
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ParkwayDrive
United States328 Posts
anyways, as fans, which most of us are, isnt it more entertaining to watch ht ghost micro and more exciting army control in late game tvp instead of watching two deathballs go at each other once and then whoever loses has to gg like it used to be? i think so. at this moment in the metagame i think i could watch mkp vs parting every single time and not get bored one bit. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On April 27 2012 12:37 Typesno wrote: OL speed to tier 1 i hope this happens! makes me happy just thinking about it. | ||
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SovietHammer
United States166 Posts
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On April 27 2012 12:46 Werx wrote: I feel like whenever balance comes up in a thread, the average poster's IQ goes down about 20, 25 points. It's either that or people are just dumber then they let on. People want to justify their losses based on racial imbalance rather than their own badness. | ||
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On April 27 2012 12:52 SovietHammer wrote: More evidence blizzard has no idea what is gonig on in their game. If they dont fix tvp lategame, or announce hots at anaheim, im done with sc. PvT 50% in korea! What a joke, i'm done! Christ... are these people for real... | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On April 27 2012 12:49 FlamingTurd wrote: This difficulty scouting as Z has always been an issue and has been spoken about countless times by pros. Finally some response years into the game about it. Because it's actually not an issue. Zerg is the safest early game race after they establish their natural and trading early gas for easier scouting (like overseer tier 1) is actually not worth delaying ling speed or lair for. Just because IdrA has mentioned it in 2010 in a few interviews(and I wish people would stop living in beta balance-world), doesn't mean it was true then (it probably was), is true now, or will be true in HotS. Overall I'm still convinced David Kim has no idea what he's doing. While it is true that their winrates (including lower leagues) have somewhat balanced out, I don't believe it was due to any sort of preconceived design. They just pick a number from their box and then wait half a year to see if it works or not, then pretend like it was what they intended if the winrates are close to 50%. | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8565 Posts
On April 27 2012 12:54 -TesteR- wrote: PvT 50% in korea! What a joke, i'm done! Christ... are these people for real... I think it is safe to say that nobody is going to miss him - especially with this attitude. | ||
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
On April 27 2012 11:00 AKomrade wrote: I for one, have complete confidence in David Kim and the Blizzard balance team's competence. I mean, he WAS the senior balancer for DoW 2 and Retribution right? Look at how those games turned out! Totally did not favor any of the eight races and was a completely wonderful and painless multiplayer experience with good scales of skill level. And they were even featured at WCG! Twice! I'm sure that with the levels of skill and experience inside the balance team combined with the veteran leadership of David Kim(previously expressed in various interviews), they are more than qualified to balance each part of the game of each matchup to uphold their high standards for balance and their ideal blend of skill levels amongst the players that ladder. Didn't see that coming.  I am happy to read some new stuff from Blizzard. But I wonder: About what things are they concerned? Zerg scouting? Really in 2012? Thats so 2010ish... I dont care about my scouting. Just sucide overlords lings and workers... with enough APM you get to know whats coming. But maybe they can realize some day that a huge bioball with emp and shells isn't that cool - TvP looks nice. But i am really concerned for Flash >< with mech units like hellion and thor and no way of playing even with the huge splash of Protoss... otherwise if its balanced I should have switched to toss to get that freewins with less control o0 In theory the way it works is some koreans are better then the units they have to use and so a Terran like MKP makes his army a huge thing trough OP APM. I wonder how ZVP or PVT would look like if we had some of this units we needed to split or stim or anything instead of dropping out of the competition be removing such a factor from most of our units. By this Blizzard is wasting a chance to hide their ownmissconceptions of units like roaches, colossi and WTFaurauders and the resulting timingbased winrates of A move armys. | ||
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