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Velr
Switzerland10978 Posts
But you gotta love it: Create anti-mech unit aka Immortal (+chargelots +xx) and a whole race that can warp-in wherever they want--> Mech doesn't seem viable against this race --> WE COULD NOT SEE THAT BEFOREHAND! Btw: How to make Interceptors not die to marines.. Give them +1 (base)armor.. or +2. Marines now do crap damage. Stalkers want to fire at Carriers anyway. Hydras.. Lol Hydras. | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
tho admittedly the nydus changes are quite cool =) | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
They are cutting or reconsidering almost every aspect that I didn't like with the new proposed units. GJ Blizz. | ||
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
Just make the Warhound a Goliath and call it a day T_T | ||
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LolitsPing
United States285 Posts
What I really want to see from Blizzard is somewhat of a redesign of Protoss and Zerg. Compared to Terran, those 2 races seem to have obvious holes in them. For Zerg, they need to do something to hydras to make them more useful. Possibly make them cheaper or faster off creep so they can be used to fill up the hole of Zerg's lack of efficient Anti-Air. Also, there isn't really much synergy for Zerg units. Unlike the Protoss deathball or MMM, Zerg units dont really move as a giant force as they all have different unit speeds. I wish they would adjust that slightly or in a way that doesn't make it so inbalanced but opens new avenues into how Zerg works. Protoss on the other hand, needs more diversity besides turtle up in to a Protoss deathball or do some 2 base all-in. But with the new Protoss mining prevention unit, I think they're going in the right direction for utilizing Protoss air as they do have some nice options in the mid game for harassment (Blink Stalkers, Warp Prisms). The way Terran works is that their units have great synergy together, Infantry with other Infantry, Mech with mech and in the super duper late game, air with air, which makes it a well-rounded race. The shredder would have been terrible. I like what Blizzard's doing in trying to fix TvT so it's not tank wars all the time with the Battle Hellion but at the same time, they're not using real players to test the game (from what I can tell from the developer update) so we won't see any flaws that could be abused heavily (reapers in beta) until the beta itself =/ | ||
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Scufo
United States136 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:28 Velr wrote: Classic Mech never had Bio support... It has to have in SC2 because else Immortals just laugh all day.. But that makes the Gas missing to get enough Tanks/Thors.. That makes Mech fail. True, but as long as the supporting units are not dependant on upgrades, it's fine. Yeah, Blizz realy fucked up with Protoss and Mech lol. | ||
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Inex
Bulgaria443 Posts
Zerg is looking very good and blindness seems like a useful spell, without becoming a balance nightmare. Removing the detection ability makes sense, since it's application sounded kinda dodgy. As for Toss, all is good. The replicant was just a horrible idea and could hardly fit into the deathball. Removing the carrier also makes sense, since it's attack hasn't really translated well into the SC2 gameplay. A new air siege capital ship, which is the Tempest, will serve as a good alternative to the colossus tech and possibly make stargate tech more useful in some of the match-ups. Blizzard seems to be making all the right decisions in my eyes, cannot wait to see how these new changes will affect the game. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
And a factory spider mine for GtA? How about, you know...spider mines? LOL. I can't stop laughing while I write this. The changes to zerg and protoss were seemingly well thought out, and the other units that won't make it to release were the ones I had qualms about at Blizzcon when they released this preview. But they just seem to have no fucking clue about mech lmfao. edit: oh, my bad, forgot about the need for something to break siege lines with a lower skillcap than nukes too, God forbid we have a stalemate in TvT LOL | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:11 CajunMan wrote: Why? Seems to do what its intended and very well and can be very fragile by itself. The colossus is the antithesis of everything you should want as a spectator or player of SC2. It requires minimal skill to use, completely skews army compositions in favor of very specific tech paths, and turns engagements into one-sided affairs that aren't interesting to see play out one way or another. It's a horrible, horrible, terrible unit that should never have been in the game to start with. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11112 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:43 forsooth wrote: The colossus is the antithesis of everything you should want as a spectator or player of SC2. It requires minimal skill to use, completely skews army compositions in favor of very specific tech paths, and turns engagements into one-sided affairs that aren't interesting to see play out one way or another. It's a horrible, horrible, terrible unit that should never have been in the game to start with. Personally I would prefer if Protoss could never go on the offensive. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10978 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:47 Sabu113 wrote: Personally I would prefer if Protoss could never go on the offensive. Because that has like anything to do with the Colossus or the hate for it... | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:43 forsooth wrote: The colossus is the antithesis of everything you should want as a spectator or player of SC2. It requires minimal skill to use, completely skews army compositions in favor of very specific tech paths, and turns engagements into one-sided affairs that aren't interesting to see play out one way or another. It's a horrible, horrible, terrible unit that should never have been in the game to start with. Eh, I've always thought if they made it slower than it wouldn't be such a big deal. The issue is that it is surprisingly mobile for such power. It's the same speed as hydras offcreep, and its way more powerful than hydras. It's the same speed as tanks that don't need to siege. If it was slower (and not even that much slower imo), then I think it would end up being a more positional, interesting unit. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
But seriously though, I feel like most of the hate for the colossus is a bunch of bandwagoning with broodwar regressionists who hate progress. There is a game with a reaver in it, it's called brood war. If you want to use a reaver, go play brood war. The carrier also needs to go or be redesigned. As of now, it is bad. I wish people would stop bitching so that we could get a better unit out of it. I hope this iteration of the tempest will work out. Glad the shredder got cut. It hit air. Imagine a siege tank line with shredders in front of it. Literally impenetrable except to Brood Lords, and even the broodlings would die instantly. The replicant was meh, I hope they replace it with something better. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:48 DoubleReed wrote: Eh, I've always thought if they made it slower than it wouldn't be such a big deal. The issue is that it is surprisingly mobile for such power. It's the same speed as hydras offcreep, and its way more powerful than hydras. It's the same speed as tanks that don't need to siege. If it was slower (and not even that much slower imo), then I think it would end up being a more positional, interesting unit. I would also like to add that tweaking the attack to be more "interesting" could do wonders for the unit. I've always toyed in my thoughts with the idea that a tweak as minor as making the Colossus splash vertical rather than horizontal could make it much more interesting. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:48 DoubleReed wrote: Eh, I've always thought if they made it slower than it wouldn't be such a big deal. The issue is that it is surprisingly mobile for such power. It's the same speed as hydras offcreep, and its way more powerful than hydras. It's the same speed as tanks that don't need to siege. If it was slower (and not even that much slower imo), then I think it would end up being a more positional, interesting unit. But it's the crux of the protoss army. You can't move it without moving your army with it, which that very fact in itself can be abused. | ||
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
-make a light early game scout unit which is fast and can harass, maybe even able to cancel the attack animation. Maybe Blizzard could implement it as Nexus ability, e.g. creating shades of fallen templars which are super fast but have a limited time to survive. This will need additional desicion making on what to spend energy. -Remove the colossus and equalize the Carrier to BW Carriers which means that they will be microable. Colossus is one of the main issues Protoss is so linear. And Tempests are not necessary if the Carriers are fixed. Also: Carriers are the symbol of Protoss.. -Rework the Immortal by adding special abilities which are useful overall, e.g. manual shielding, and just forget the specialized bruteforce approach generally seen in Protoss units. Make aggressive micro attractive! -Warpgate... Come on... if you fuck up and leave your base at the wrong time or got in a choke because you didn't watch the terrain, you shouldn't be able to do recalls to save every unit. If this is going to happen, I want Zombie Zerg units and a Cyborg Terran units. | ||
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