EPTSlayerS Jessica Sues a Netizen for Insulting Her - Page 28
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Grohg
United States243 Posts
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:05 hypercube wrote: If the guy can't handle the Korean legal system he should get the fuck out of Korea. Fair point. America's doors are open. He can troll all he wants here. | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:05 Typhoon1789 wrote: Shes sueing a fucking internet troll. That is not handleing it well. Best way to handle this shit is to IGNORE IT. I think your the less clever one here. YOUR the less clever one? Oh my god.... ;_; It's perfectly fine for her to react like this in my opinion - It is about time people stopped thinking that they're invincible on the internet, harrasment is harrasment, you can't be a complete c*nt to someone without paying the consequences. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On March 31 2012 08:39 mcc wrote: The prosecution he faces is ok with me, maybe he will learn not to be a dick. The sentence he can possibly get on the other hand is ridiculous. Agreed. A small fine should be the maximum punishment for something like this. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:06 Skwid1g wrote: And the joke passes right over your head. No, not really. It's the fact that it's even punishable by law that I find kind of disturbing. Not to mention the fact that there are thousands upon thousands of trolls that are going to do stuff like this to the team, it' just causing unnecessary drama. I understand why she's upset, but this is just getting ridiculous. Yes it is causing drama but as a community we need to make our stance clear. Whether to criticize Jessica for her solution is one thing, but as a community we need to stand against cyber defamation if not for just the reason that it makes us look of higher class. I mean as if gamers don't have enough stereotypes already. I don't think we need supporting rude and insulting behavior on top of that. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:04 Wombat_NI wrote: I didn't say they were good to have or not actually, although my habit of not re-reading my posts is a bad one! For example I disagree with laws like holocaust denial laws in Germany/France and elsewhere in Europe. I don't personally feel that legal prevention of making such idiotic points is productive, as the proponents of holocaust denial make themselves look stupid. In essence the flow of my point was. 'We have free speech I can say what I want' is used as a justification for obnoxious behaviour, oblivious to the multitude of pre-existing laws that restrict speech to some, however just/unjust they may be. No country in the Western world that I am aware of has 100%, unrestricted free speech, it's a fantasy. To invoke this false concept of what is covered as free speech requires either disingenuity or ignorance on the part of whoever is acting in this way. It's a matter of human decency and decorum I guess, the internet is still not particularly regulated so there's a culture of acting with impunity so the onus is on internet communities themselves to self-regulate and get rid of the trash. It's for that reason that posts like 'oh it's the internet' piss me off, what's wrong with suggesting improvement? If every time you went out in the street people came up to your face and screamed abuse about your appearance/sexual orientation/race etc etc it'd be intolerable so why should online interaction be conducted in such a manner? But the internet doesn't need to be regulated by government. It can be regulated by itself. In this case, Jessica has the power to regulate her own chat room and IP ban the person. | ||
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hersenen
Belize176 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism Regards. p.s. In Korea you're actually not allowed to be a dick just because you're online, what a crazy concept hu? | ||
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ProBot
Canada170 Posts
On March 31 2012 10:32 Capulet wrote: I completely agree with this. The amount of hostility found on the internet is becoming absurd and it's about time people are held accountable for their actions. Contrary to popular belief, simply brushing hate messages aside by labeling it "rage" or "trolling" does not make it any more acceptable. Although, I feel that the community might be more receptive to this whole suing ordeal if it wasn't Jessica who is doing it... It's kinda funny tho, community defends the dude for calling her a whore / slut or whatever yet lynch orb for saying "nigger". This community is fucked. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:06 Skwid1g wrote: And the joke passes right over your head. No, not really. It's the fact that it's even punishable by law that I find kind of disturbing. Not to mention the fact that there are thousands upon thousands of trolls that are going to do stuff like this to the team, it' just causing unnecessary drama. I understand why she's upset, but this is just getting repetitive. Because I think freedom of speech/press is more important than a celebrities' feelings to be honest. The ability to take someone to court over something this minor (and 7 years in prison? lol?) is kind of ridiculous. i'm all for freedom of speech, but not when an individual is trolling intentionally to harm someone's reputation. that isn't what freedom of speech is for. like i said, read up on whatbecomes vs tablo if you want to read up on something related to what trolls can do in korea. | ||
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Theeakoz
United States1114 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:12 ProBot wrote: It's kinda funny tho, community defends the dude for calling her a whore / slut or whatever yet lynch orb for saying "nigger". This community is fucked. Exactly what I came in here to say. Sexism, racism, ethnocentrism, or whatever you want to call it. This community is fucked up beyond belief. | ||
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UTL_Unlimited
Korea (South)353 Posts
I feel that this issue was addressed in previous cases when Jessica was protecting Eve and other such issues. In Korea, the #1 most wired country in the world, views the internet as a place where ideas and such as shared. Korea is connected with the fastest internet as is because the government strictly promotes the connection throughout the country. Therefore, Korea truly believes in the idea that people should be at least protected for the ideas that they share through the medium. The laws regarding Korea exists as such because of the fact that in the past, numerous issues arose due TO the 'trolling' that people have done to others in the past. Koreans can be extremely harsh when they wish to be and while others argue that words do not hurt, in reality, they do. A very popular example would be the gay Korean celebrity : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ji-hoo http://www.fridae.asia/newsfeatures/2008/10/09/2137.2-openly-gay-trans-south-korean-actors-commit-suicide A lot of these issues came about due to a medium such as the internet committing internet bullying. Of course this is a much different example and a lesser one in comparison to the own3d 'troll', but the reactions is due to the fact that Jessica, as a celebrity, knows about the growing issue with things such as this and she wants to stop it before it blows out of proportion. This isn't her just 'losing her cool to a troll', this is a serious issue in a DIFFERENT culture that has plagued our society for quite some time. She was a celebrity, she is now into esports, and I think these actions imply that she wants to at least help impede the growth of these kinds of 'offensive trolling'. Besides, the actual text, in our culture, really is offensive. The guy basically wrote: JESSICA! SHOW ME YOUR PUSSY! HURRY THE FUCK UP I WANT TO BANG YOU! some are blurred out but it implies hurry up or the generic death threats and the like. Here's another one: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/01/world/la-fg-korea-cyberthugs2-2010jan02 Korea, due to it being the wired country it is, suffers from these cases much more in comparison to other countries such as the United States. Certainly the US is different and have different standards, but Korea has recognized the problem from the early stages. Therefore, you NEED to have social security ID to sign up to forums, play games like Starcraft, and the like. I'm not at all saying that the United States need to step it up because the culture is different and the art of 'trolling' is seen as a 'gesture of fun' while in Korea, we don't take such things as jokes when it is presented in the context that it has been in the chat. This guy fully understood what he was getting into with his background and even if he did it as a 'joke', I hardly think such comments are appropriate enough to be a joke. Maybe saying: GO BACK TO THE KITCHEN would have been a better troll. Another way to look at this is of Orb: If him saying nigger is something that everyone was up and in arms about due to his position, why can't Jessica do the same for someone insulting her as she was? Is it just because that person is not important at all that it is fair? So someone who is at a lower status in the community shouldn't be held account for the actions that he or she has taken? And if so, why not? Are they of lesser importance to anyone else? I understand that the world views the internet as a place of anonymity and thus we shouldn't take every offensive thing seriously. But if we, as Team Liquid members, were to all act kindly to one another through this different medium of communication, then maybe such issues would at least recede a little. Day[9] stated in regards to Orb's situation that there's different ways to express one's frustration or anger or the such through the internet by saying the generic cuss words, but he also mentioned that if everyone was just nice to one another, these issues wouldn't happen. So I ask that before you put in the: it's just Jessica being Jessica or she's being overdramatic, consider the culture difference and the way we treat this different medium of communication and keep in mind that there are different history and developments with the internet than other places. If you believe that words are simply words and saying bad things shouldn't matter, then for all things go ahead. But at least try and be in the other's shoes and understand others may take more offense and lead to the extreme cases that exist today. We can't deny that the extremes don't exist: but to assume that one's single action wouldn't lead to the worst is certainly a bit of a irresponsible belief. I hope that this post at least have people think of the other side and understand that the issue is bigger than the immediate bandwagon jump of: it's just Jessica being Jessica. | ||
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KamikazeDurrrp
United States95 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:12 hersenen wrote: I think a lot of Americans in this thread could benefit from reading this fun wikipedia article! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism Regards. p.s. In Korea you're actually not allowed to be a dick just because you're online, what a crazy concept hu? The Americans seem outraged by Jessica's actions but are not clear in their stance on Cyber Defamation, and not having a good high class standard is not good for the image of gamer community in general. I disagree with Jessica's course of actions, but I stand against cyber defamation because that makes me a higher class person, or at least it helps the image of the community to have someone against being dicks. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote: Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash. These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. | ||
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MadJack
Peru357 Posts
But its a start. Human beings as intelligent as we are we still need some conditioning. If this gets the right kind of attention it can set a nice example, and reduce the amount of bad trolls there are. I remember in my country no one will use the sit belt, until they put a very "ridiculous" fee every time the cops find you not wearing it, and ppl cryed to the skies how unfair and bully it was. But, in less than 6 months EVERYONE got used to use the sit belt. Sometimes somethings seem "ridicolous" but, if they are for the greater good, we should wellcome it. Also anyone saying its wrong its cuz they are the same kinda troll. No reason to defend someone doing that, even if its "common" doesnt make it correct. | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:07 Spieltor wrote: remember the QQ drama over that hyper-life-update social network site where she was being generally vague and bitchy towards an ex-member cause he left? remember when she made a huge WTF bomb over eve talking to a fan? Histrionic Personality Disorder How did she get her position in the first place? being the lay of the captain. It all fits within the framework of HPD. thats like calling people criticizing the war on terror a terrorist sympathizer. This is a common human logical fallacy, saying if you're not with you're against, and its evolutionary fitness business as usual, that doesn't make it intelligent or reasonable. You're also omitting a lot of details to make her sound worse than she is. Dragon said he was retiring and then joined another team, which is something that would obviously anger someone of her position. And Korean netizens were photoshopping Eve's face onto nude photos on Korean forums iirc, or something similar to that, which is why Jessica was freaking out over the Eve situation. She doesn't handle things well, but she's definitely not anything like you described. She's done quite a lot for the team and gave up a successful career to do so. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 31 2012 11:12 ProBot wrote: It's kinda funny tho, community defends the dude for calling her a whore / slut or whatever yet lynch orb for saying "nigger". This community is fucked. It's not at all funny or witty observation. Was Orb sued or sent to jail? | ||
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