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On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote: If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community?
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This will never happen. Or I will personally troll her on their chat. qq drama queen.
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This is just going way too far. It's idiotic kid trying to troll, just ban him from the ownd3d chat that's all she needed to do.
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Punishing trolls is a socially acceptable thing to do in Korea and Jessica is a Korean living in Korea. Even MC sued 3 guys for insulting his girlfriend. Other than the fact that this happened in a Starcraft stream chat, this has nothing to do with Starcraft as it could have happened anywhere and it would have been the same result. She doesn't need to consider what the meddlesome foreign Starcraft community thinks about it since it's none of their business in the first place.
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On March 31 2012 11:17 whereismymind wrote: This will never happen. Or I will personally troll her on their chat. qq drama queen. Your kind, (Ignorant and lack class) is a embarrassment to the TL community.
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On March 31 2012 11:14 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:12 ProBot wrote:On March 31 2012 10:32 Capulet wrote:On March 31 2012 10:15 ProBot wrote: still don't think it's stupid one thing about the internet is people say ignorant shit because there's really no accountability for anything they say ... now there is and maybe some idiots will think twice about being idiots / degrading or whatever. I completely agree with this. The amount of hostility found on the internet is becoming absurd and it's about time people are held accountable for their actions. Contrary to popular belief, simply brushing hate messages aside by labeling it "rage" or "trolling" does not make it any more acceptable. Although, I feel that the community might be more receptive to this whole suing ordeal if it wasn't Jessica who is doing it... It's kinda funny tho, community defends the dude for calling her a whore / slut or whatever yet lynch orb for saying "nigger". This community is fucked. Exactly what I came in here to say. Sexism, racism, ethnocentrism, or whatever you want to call it. This community is fucked up beyond belief. thats retarded shit....nobody defends him....people are just wondering why the fuck you would sue somebody for that....would you sue someone who calls you a cocksucking nigger gay???....no you wouldnt, you would just laugh at this pathetic human being.... "defending" you must be kiddin.........
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On March 31 2012 11:14 UTL_Unlimited wrote:I don't understand a lot of the statements here saying Jessica being Jessica. I feel that this issue was addressed in previous cases when Jessica was protecting Eve and other such issues. In Korea, the #1 most wired country in the world, views the internet as a place where ideas and such as shared. Korea is connected with the fastest internet as is because the government strictly promotes the connection throughout the country. Therefore, Korea truly believes in the idea that people should be at least protected for the ideas that they share through the medium. The laws regarding Korea exists as such because of the fact that in the past, numerous issues arose due TO the 'trolling' that people have done to others in the past. Koreans can be extremely harsh when they wish to be and while others argue that words do not hurt, in reality, they do. A very popular example would be the gay Korean celebrity : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ji-hoohttp://www.fridae.asia/newsfeatures/2008/10/09/2137.2-openly-gay-trans-south-korean-actors-commit-suicideA lot of these issues came about due to a medium such as the internet committing internet bullying. Of course this is a much different example and a lesser one in comparison to the own3d 'troll', but the reactions is due to the fact that Jessica, as a celebrity, knows about the growing issue with things such as this and she wants to stop it before it blows out of proportion. This isn't her just 'losing her cool to a troll', this is a serious issue in a DIFFERENT culture that has plagued our society for quite some time. She was a celebrity, she is now into esports, and I think these actions imply that she wants to at least help impede the growth of these kinds of 'offensive trolling'. Besides, the actual text, in our culture, really is offensive. The guy basically wrote: JESSICA! SHOW ME YOUR PUSSY! HURRY THE FUCK UP I WANT TO BANG YOU!some are blurred out but it implies hurry up or the generic death threats and the like. Here's another one: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/01/world/la-fg-korea-cyberthugs2-2010jan02Korea, due to it being the wired country it is, suffers from these cases much more in comparison to other countries such as the United States. Certainly the US is different and have different standards, but Korea has recognized the problem from the early stages. Therefore, you NEED to have social security ID to sign up to forums, play games like Starcraft, and the like. I'm not at all saying that the United States need to step it up because the culture is different and the art of 'trolling' is seen as a 'gesture of fun' while in Korea, we don't take such things as jokes when it is presented in the context that it has been in the chat. This guy fully understood what he was getting into with his background and even if he did it as a 'joke', I hardly think such comments are appropriate enough to be a joke. Maybe saying: GO BACK TO THE KITCHEN would have been a better troll. Another way to look at this is of Orb: If him saying nigger is something that everyone was up and in arms about due to his position, why can't Jessica do the same for someone insulting her as she was? Is it just because that person is not important at all that it is fair? So someone who is at a lower status in the community shouldn't be held account for the actions that he or she has taken? And if so, why not? Are they of lesser importance to anyone else? I understand that the world views the internet as a place of anonymity and thus we shouldn't take every offensive thing seriously. But if we, as Team Liquid members, were to all act kindly to one another through this different medium of communication, then maybe such issues would at least recede a little. Day[9] stated in regards to Orb's situation that there's different ways to express one's frustration or anger or the such through the internet by saying the generic cuss words, but he also mentioned that if everyone was just nice to one another, these issues wouldn't happen. So I ask that before you put in the: it's just Jessica being Jessica or she's being overdramatic, consider the culture difference and the way we treat this different medium of communication and keep in mind that there are different history and developments with the internet than other places. If you believe that words are simply words and saying bad things shouldn't matter, then for all things go ahead. But at least try and be in the other's shoes and understand others may take more offense and lead to the extreme cases that exist today. We can't deny that the extremes don't exist: but to assume that one's single action wouldn't lead to the worst is certainly a bit of a irresponsible belief. I hope that this post at least have people think of the other side and understand that the issue is bigger than the immediate bandwagon jump of: it's just Jessica being Jessica.
if sexual come ons imply death threats in SK, I don't want to live in this world anymore.
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On March 31 2012 11:17 whereismymind wrote: This will never happen. Or I will personally troll her on their chat. qq drama queen. You realize that in Korea there are laws on this subject and that you are not in Korea. Thus, I am pretty sure you should realize that the rest of the world is different from your tiny portion
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On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote: If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community?
If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry.
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On March 31 2012 11:18 gwaihir wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:14 ch33psh33p wrote:On March 31 2012 11:12 ProBot wrote:On March 31 2012 10:32 Capulet wrote:On March 31 2012 10:15 ProBot wrote: still don't think it's stupid one thing about the internet is people say ignorant shit because there's really no accountability for anything they say ... now there is and maybe some idiots will think twice about being idiots / degrading or whatever. I completely agree with this. The amount of hostility found on the internet is becoming absurd and it's about time people are held accountable for their actions. Contrary to popular belief, simply brushing hate messages aside by labeling it "rage" or "trolling" does not make it any more acceptable. Although, I feel that the community might be more receptive to this whole suing ordeal if it wasn't Jessica who is doing it... It's kinda funny tho, community defends the dude for calling her a whore / slut or whatever yet lynch orb for saying "nigger". This community is fucked. Exactly what I came in here to say. Sexism, racism, ethnocentrism, or whatever you want to call it. This community is fucked up beyond belief. thats retarded shit....nobody defends him....people are just wondering why the fuck you would sue somebody for that....would you sue someone who calls you a cocksucking nigger gay???....no you wouldnt, you would just laugh at this pathetic human being.... "defending" you must be kiddin.........
what if that person fabricated evidence to prove you're a "cocksucking nigger gay", harass you on daily bases and the people around you. you'll still just sit by and take it?
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Woot, lets censor speech cause feelings get hurt! yeye!
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On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote: If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry.
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On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote: If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry.
You can ban people from chat rooms.
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She must be an extremely sheltered individual. And besides the fact that I think it's a complete overreaction, she is entitled to handle it however she wants; I just wish I didn't have to read this garbage all the time. She needs a damn time out or something.
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She's making BoxeR look bad.
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On March 31 2012 11:18 Spieltor wrote:
if sexual come ons imply death threats in SK, I don't want to live in this world anymore.
There were other blurred out words in the context given. It had death threats included WITH sexual come ons. If sexual come ons were also death threats, I'll jump off a bridge with you.
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I'm just baffled by how many people support this. Freedom of speech is so important, I don't understand how anyone can believe otherwise?
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can they sue foreigners who insult her in chat?
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On March 31 2012 11:20 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:20 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:19 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 11:17 Blasterion wrote:On March 31 2012 11:15 Roe wrote:On March 31 2012 11:07 Goldfish wrote:On March 31 2012 10:47 Whitewing wrote:On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote: If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist. If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist. See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly? Agreed. Similar lawsuits against people trolling on the internet has happened countless times in SK before. Heck, even KT almost sued someone for flaming Flash.These things are serious business in South Korea, and these people should have known better. That doesn't mean the law is right. I mean come on, would you argue against someone who is fighting a racist or misogynistic government who enforces the law in kind? "But that black person should've known better than to sit at the front of the bus...the country has laws for segregation and she should obey them." I think we should all be able to agree these status quo kinds of statements are void in this argument and serve no purpose. It is right, if the law makes people be less dickery and have higher class it helps the image of the community as a whole, I can't believe all the people defending this crap. Have you not learned your lesson on what happened to the fighting game community? If we've reached the point as a society where we need the law to stop people from hurting other people's feelings, I'd say something has gone awry. If we've reached the point as a society when people are allowed to be dicks as much as they want, I'd say something has gone awry. You can ban people from chat rooms. Yes, and you can sue them so they learn their lesson and stop being dicks rather than have them make new accounts and continue being dicks to you or to other people.
People need to learn to have some class, hopefully this will make an example of those who lack it.
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