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On March 19 2012 21:20 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 23:42 nojitosunrise wrote:On March 18 2012 23:36 WigglingSquid wrote:This is fairly big news. I hope that the parts will find a "peaceful" solution. SC2 is saturated with tournaments nowadays, the current player pool will just not be enough to fill everything in. On March 18 2012 23:26 HyunA wrote:
so, from what are you saying, LoL becoming uber-popular in korea means the beggining of the end for bw and sc2?
don't get me wrong, i'm a sc2 player and i love it, but that joke of a game called LoL has 4 times the audience of sc2 from what i have seen on streams. or maybe more.
so if this is appealing to the masses, it is really sad seeing good rts games losing popularity over lame mobas. To a good extent, Blizzard is to blame. Valve/Riot are doing the right thing: offering tools for spectatorship and community involvement right inside the game. Valve doesn't do anything for eSports. The International is equivalent to Blizzcon. Blizzard does a boat load for the professional communities in comparison to valve | WHAT THE FUCK? One of the earliest E-sport game and was even bigger than BW back then. Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 20:25 synaptik wrote:
reading this thread i have concluded that BW has the most rabid, unreasonable and insecure fans of all competitive esports, including cs 1.6
your reality distortion fields rival those of mac users.
It really depends on whos arguing who. Also, have you ever tried following BW and/or playing it online? SC2 people needs to try BW first before trying trash the game because most BW fans have tried SC2 and actually has the right to criticize it compared to most SC2 players who doesn't actually understand BW and it's History as the most competitive E-sport, ever.
I don't think he was talking about the game but about the fans which admit it, tend to be quite offensive in this thread (not without reason?) so i don't see how playing/watching the game would help them.
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On March 19 2012 20:25 synaptik wrote:
reading this thread i have concluded that BW has the most rabid, unreasonable and insecure fans of all competitive esports, including cs 1.6
your reality distortion fields rival those of mac users.
User was warned for this post
Probably because every other post in this thread is basically "can't wait till BW dies and everybody comes to SC2"...
And are people really still arguing that Kespa is anti-foreigner and shit? Really? They didn't ban/block any foreigners, hell they even gave some of them pro-gaming liscenses (akin to say, a GSL seed). It's not their fault that every foreigner that went got destroyed and ended up not doing anything.
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I wonder why so many SC2 fans know so much about Kespa, and what it is going to do once it has taken over.
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Inter pro league championships sound cool. And competition for the best pro league is good right?
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Why does everyone assume that the sponsorship money behind Korean BW suddenly will move over to SC2?
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On March 17 2012 15:54 Fionn wrote:
I want a GSTL vs. SC2 Proleague Super Bowl-like final.
Ratings. Ratings everywhere.
This. A once a year all out best Team of each league duking it out. I love having more, but if we could have a once a year super bowl style finish, it would be the amazing.
Also glad to see that Blizzard is willing to negociate, hopefully BW viewership can just slowly transition into SC2 and keep things growing. (Instead of constantly reading about things from BW being cut.)
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On March 19 2012 11:34 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 21:57 gn0m wrote:On March 18 2012 17:38 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On March 18 2012 17:33 hydrogg wrote:On March 18 2012 17:21 NekoFlandre wrote:
Errrrrr......
This is good but...yea not good.
I mean. OGN / KeSPA? Really? Look how they destroyed foreigner SC1 play (basically)
It's good for the Korean teams, but what about the current partnerships? (Will KeSPA regulate them?)
What about Current players / teams / deals with players? (Would KeSPA get a say in it?)
How will it effect the current atmosphere of Players traveling around the world to other tournies such as MLG / IPL? They won't be able to. Proleague is a yearly event with multiple matches per week until the post season. Players can't be in 2 places at once. Are line-ups that strict? Cant a player go to a foreign tournament and have someone else take their spot on the bench. There is not gaurantee they will play either right? Teams have larger rosters then just the # of players need to be available for a particular match for just this reason. If a player is sick or unable to compete, they are temporarily replaced right? Players could travel, but they just may be a bit more limited if teams specifically request their presence during a particular series. I mean, they are playing for a cash prize and prestige in proleague, but if they let one of their aces go for a weekend and possible miss one series, they can earn like $50k right then and there. It would seem to be a case by case basis, but I would suspect most teams would have more high caliber players to play then spots needed for a series. We don’t really know the nature of SC2 PL yet, but if it is going to be anything like BW PL, this would be a pretty big problem. It’s not that teams don’t have enough players to fill up the spots, but rather that teams take PL extremely seriously. Having one of your better players travelling around the world and thus missing PL-matches would be out of the question. When players advance in both OSL and MSL (RIP), they suddenly have a ridiculous schedule of training in front of them, since they still need to support their team in PL. This actually led to some of the players being overworked and the amount of games played each week in PL was reduced because of this (hence Flash’s nickname “Child Labour Terran”). Moreover, it is seems very rare that players have been unable to play because of illness, which I haven’t really thought about before. In my opinion, it feels like all the players always show up for their PL-games (sometimes wearing maks because they are sick and don’t want to infect others). Some players have been absent due to more severe problems though, that involves surgery or longer hospital stays. Anyway, bottom line is that BW progamers don’t miss their PL-games. But that doesn’t mean that it necessary will be the same for SC2 players. Perhaps there will be more flexibility in regards to foreign tournaments. Interesting. But the reason they took it so seriously is there is no real other tournament with the same prestige or money on the line. In SC2, teams have options, so I think it would depend how the teams gauge their odds of winning a foreign event versus needing to win a particular match in a series. If someone does go and they lose 1 match because they are gone but are still able win, they get the win and the prestige/money from the foreign tournament. Perhaps they will try to push to have more "top" players and spread resources over more players then in BW.
Well, that’s not really true. Both OSL and MSL is/was very prestigious and actually gave more money to the individual player. As I said, advancing in OSL doesn’t mean that they can neglect PL games, they just have to practice like maniacs for all games.
The difference is that the tournaments are coordinated, there isn’t scheduling conflicts which allow players to participate in all tournaments. Perhaps this could be done in SC2 as well, but it would be harder since there are a lot of tournaments (in different countries) and also because the scene lacks a coordinating body like KeSPA. Oh, and I can assure you that all proleague teams tries to develop as many top players as possible. One can only train so many hours a day.
Anyway, I don’t see a big problem with SC2 PL not being exactly like BW PL. I think it only good for the scene if players travel around the world, even if it means that SC2 PL becomes less prestigious.
On March 19 2012 12:52 Jebusrocks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:34 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On March 18 2012 21:57 gn0m wrote:On March 18 2012 17:38 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On March 18 2012 17:33 hydrogg wrote:On March 18 2012 17:21 NekoFlandre wrote:
Errrrrr......
This is good but...yea not good.
I mean. OGN / KeSPA? Really? Look how they destroyed foreigner SC1 play (basically)
It's good for the Korean teams, but what about the current partnerships? (Will KeSPA regulate them?)
What about Current players / teams / deals with players? (Would KeSPA get a say in it?)
How will it effect the current atmosphere of Players traveling around the world to other tournies such as MLG / IPL? They won't be able to. Proleague is a yearly event with multiple matches per week until the post season. Players can't be in 2 places at once. Are line-ups that strict? Cant a player go to a foreign tournament and have someone else take their spot on the bench. There is not gaurantee they will play either right? Teams have larger rosters then just the # of players need to be available for a particular match for just this reason. If a player is sick or unable to compete, they are temporarily replaced right? Players could travel, but they just may be a bit more limited if teams specifically request their presence during a particular series. I mean, they are playing for a cash prize and prestige in proleague, but if they let one of their aces go for a weekend and possible miss one series, they can earn like $50k right then and there. It would seem to be a case by case basis, but I would suspect most teams would have more high caliber players to play then spots needed for a series. We don’t really know the nature of SC2 PL yet, but if it is going to be anything like BW PL, this would be a pretty big problem. It’s not that teams don’t have enough players to fill up the spots, but rather that teams take PL extremely seriously. Having one of your better players travelling around the world and thus missing PL-matches would be out of the question. When players advance in both OSL and MSL (RIP), they suddenly have a ridiculous schedule of training in front of them, since they still need to support their team in PL. This actually led to some of the players being overworked and the amount of games played each week in PL was reduced because of this (hence Flash’s nickname “Child Labour Terran”). Moreover, it is seems very rare that players have been unable to play because of illness, which I haven’t really thought about before. In my opinion, it feels like all the players always show up for their PL-games (sometimes wearing maks because they are sick and don’t want to infect others). Some players have been absent due to more severe problems though, that involves surgery or longer hospital stays. Anyway, bottom line is that BW progamers don’t miss their PL-games. But that doesn’t mean that it necessary will be the same for SC2 players. Perhaps there will be more flexibility in regards to foreign tournaments. Interesting. But the reason they took it so seriously is there is no real other tournament with the same prestige or money on the line. In SC2, teams have options, so I think it would depend how the teams gauge their odds of winning a foreign event versus needing to win a particular match in a series. If someone does go and they lose 1 match because they are gone but are still able win, they get the win and the prestige/money from the foreign tournament. Perhaps they will try to push to have more "top" players and spread resources over more players then in BW. Don't forget they sent players to events like WCG, and not just any random a-class player, but Flash, Jaedon, Stork, etc. though WCG had the prestige most these tourneys don't There's no doubt that, given the huge prizepool of the foreign tourneys, Koreans will send players, maybe not their best, but certainly good players
I’m pretty confident that WCG always was played during off-season. And Korea didn’t randomly send players, the ones that took first, second and third in WCG Korea qualifiers went on to the main event.
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On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot!
And why would KeSPA prevent foreigners from competing? If they're good enough, they will qualify and compete. KeSPA will probably accomodate their stay in Korea as well, as they have on many occasions in the past.
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On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot!
Idk how it is in sc2, but as far as BW goes, the only thing holding back foreign BW was how hard everyone sucked in comparison
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On March 20 2012 03:24 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot! And why would KeSPA prevent foreigners from competing? If they're good enough, they will qualify and compete. KeSPA will probably accomodate their stay in Korea as well, as they have on many occasions in the past.
Well, we'll see. And I'm not excactly saying that they wont make foreigners compete, but it wont be in the same "open" way as gom did. I just dont think that they'll invite foreigners, without qualifying, like gom does.
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On March 20 2012 04:35 MadNeSs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:24 maybenexttime wrote:On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot! And why would KeSPA prevent foreigners from competing? If they're good enough, they will qualify and compete. KeSPA will probably accomodate their stay in Korea as well, as they have on many occasions in the past. Well, we'll see. And I'm not excactly saying that they wont make foreigners compete, but it wont be in the same "open" way as gom did. I just dont think that they'll invite foreigners, without qualifying, like gom does.
so they do it the right way.
i want 2 see the best players and not some random srub who gets rolled in ro32 and just got an invite because he is a foreigner.
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On March 20 2012 03:44 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot! Idk how it is in sc2, but as far as BW goes, the only thing holding back foreign BW was how hard everyone sucked in comparison
And the fact that you needed a progamer license to compete, you dont need to in sc2. And they sucked in comparison because there was no foreign scene, hell even some of the biggest foreign tourneys, with some of the biggest foreigner names didnt even have any prize money, there just wasnt any foreign scene at all, unlike in sc2, where there's so many tourneys, outside of Korea. Now a days most bw foreigners, who are sc2 progamers, has made more in sc2 than they ever did in bw. The koreans where just so far ahead, they had a huge progaming scene, they had teams with huge sponsors, houses with training facilities, everybody got a salary (yeah some didnt get much, something like 5k and some probably less per year), but they also got food and a place to stay. So to be fair foreigners didnt just suck, but it's pretty hard in any sport for amatours to compete against fulltime professionals.
In SC2 there is a foreigner scene, and a pretty big one. However the foreigners are still pretty far behind, except for Stephano, who is just so damn good, even though we have that I still think that things will change alot in Korea, once kespa takes over... I mean why else do they wanna switch to sc2 now that gom's license is soon to expire? Why not earlier?
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For international popularity, I don't think a insular KeSPA/BW style will work out. I watch GOM partially because the players in it show up at international events. You get to see your players in multiple events, all over the place in my native language. Interviews and translations and story lines to follow.
I didn't/don't follow BW so I'm not really interested in those players, yet.
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On March 20 2012 04:41 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 04:35 MadNeSs wrote:On March 20 2012 03:24 maybenexttime wrote:On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot! And why would KeSPA prevent foreigners from competing? If they're good enough, they will qualify and compete. KeSPA will probably accomodate their stay in Korea as well, as they have on many occasions in the past. Well, we'll see. And I'm not excactly saying that they wont make foreigners compete, but it wont be in the same "open" way as gom did. I just dont think that they'll invite foreigners, without qualifying, like gom does. so they do it the right way. i want 2 see the best players and not some random srub who gets rolled in ro32 and just got an invite because he is a foreigner.
That's true, but not many foreigners havr the change to come and live in SK just to compete in whatever leagues they'll come up with, but I certainly hope that gsl will stay, then I'm not so scared.
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On March 20 2012 04:53 MadNeSs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:44 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot! Idk how it is in sc2, but as far as BW goes, the only thing holding back foreign BW was how hard everyone sucked in comparison And the fact that you needed a progamer license to compete, you dont need to in sc2. And they sucked in comparison because there was no foreign scene, hell even some of the biggest foreign tourneys, with some of the biggest foreigner names didnt even have any prize money, there just wasnt any foreign scene at all, unlike in sc2, where there's so many tourneys, outside of Korea. Now a days most bw foreigners, who are sc2 progamers, has made more in sc2 than they ever did in bw. The koreans where just so far ahead, they had a huge progaming scene, they had teams with huge sponsors, houses with training facilities, everybody got a salary (yeah some didnt get much, something like 5k and some probably less per year), but they also got food and a place to stay. So to be fair foreigners didnt just suck, but it's pretty hard in any sport for amatours to compete against fulltime professionals. In SC2 there is a foreigner scene, and a pretty big one. However the foreigners are still pretty far behind, except for Stephano, who is just so damn good, even though we have that I still think that things will change alot in Korea, once kespa takes over... I mean why else do they wanna switch to sc2 now that gom's license is soon to expire? Why not earlier?
Why do you think there was never foreign scene in first place for BW? Because foreigners weren't good enough. The progamer license was there in order to remove any scrub players wanting to become professional. If foreigners had worked hard to get that, then there would have been foreign scene but they didn't. Koreans and foreign amateur players all started same way but it all depended how much effort they had put it in. You can't blame the license
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if it's possible for bw and sc2 to coexist maybe kespa should brand the leagues differently. Just reading the pro sc2 and pro bw posts makes you think that there is room for both games as they appeal to different segments of the rts market at least among the foreigners. If i'm allowed to speculate, bw might attract rts hipsters and sc2 might attract a younger foreigner focused audience. Coca cola didn't go under when pepsi came alone...
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On March 20 2012 04:41 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 04:35 MadNeSs wrote:On March 20 2012 03:24 maybenexttime wrote:On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot! And why would KeSPA prevent foreigners from competing? If they're good enough, they will qualify and compete. KeSPA will probably accomodate their stay in Korea as well, as they have on many occasions in the past. Well, we'll see. And I'm not excactly saying that they wont make foreigners compete, but it wont be in the same "open" way as gom did. I just dont think that they'll invite foreigners, without qualifying, like gom does. so they do it the right way. i want 2 see the best players and not some random srub who gets rolled in ro32 and just got an invite because he is a foreigner.
and you get to see the two best players play in the finals (knock on wood, omg inca)... But I dont really care if they win or lose, but I want to see Sen and IdrA and Naniwa play...
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On March 20 2012 04:53 MadNeSs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:44 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot! Idk how it is in sc2, but as far as BW goes, the only thing holding back foreign BW was how hard everyone sucked in comparison And the fact that you needed a progamer license to compete, you dont need to in sc2. And they sucked in comparison because there was no foreign scene, hell even some of the biggest foreign tourneys, with some of the biggest foreigner names didnt even have any prize money, there just wasnt any foreign scene at all, unlike in sc2, where there's so many tourneys, outside of Korea. Now a days most bw foreigners, who are sc2 progamers, has made more in sc2 than they ever did in bw. The koreans where just so far ahead, they had a huge progaming scene, they had teams with huge sponsors, houses with training facilities, everybody got a salary (yeah some didnt get much, something like 5k and some probably less per year), but they also got food and a place to stay. So to be fair foreigners didnt just suck, but it's pretty hard in any sport for amatours to compete against fulltime professionals. In SC2 there is a foreigner scene, and a pretty big one. However the foreigners are still pretty far behind, except for Stephano, who is just so damn good, even though we have that I still think that things will change alot in Korea, once kespa takes over... I mean why else do they wanna switch to sc2 now that gom's license is soon to expire? Why not earlier?
WC3 had a foreign scene comparable the current foreign Sc2 scene (with the size of esports then and now taken into account). Foreigners were invited to numerous tournaments over the years. They still failed for the most part. Hell, did you see the Moon vs. ToD game where Moon used Dark Ranger, stole ToD's Peasant and beat him with Human army?
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On March 20 2012 04:53 MadNeSs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:44 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On March 20 2012 00:58 MadNeSs wrote:
I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot! Idk how it is in sc2, but as far as BW goes, the only thing holding back foreign BW was how hard everyone sucked in comparison And the fact that you needed a progamer license to compete, you dont need to in sc2. And they sucked in comparison because there was no foreign scene, hell even some of the biggest foreign tourneys, with some of the biggest foreigner names didnt even have any prize money, there just wasnt any foreign scene at all, unlike in sc2, where there's so many tourneys, outside of Korea. Now a days most bw foreigners, who are sc2 progamers, has made more in sc2 than they ever did in bw. The koreans where just so far ahead, they had a huge progaming scene, they had teams with huge sponsors, houses with training facilities, everybody got a salary (yeah some didnt get much, something like 5k and some probably less per year), but they also got food and a place to stay. So to be fair foreigners didnt just suck, but it's pretty hard in any sport for amatours to compete against fulltime professionals. In SC2 there is a foreigner scene, and a pretty big one. However the foreigners are still pretty far behind, except for Stephano, who is just so damn good, even though we have that I still think that things will change alot in Korea, once kespa takes over... I mean why else do they wanna switch to sc2 now that gom's license is soon to expire? Why not earlier?
In order to get a progamer license, you needed to win the Courage tournament, which is held every month or two. Courage is a completely open and free tournament that anyone is able to enter. It's no different from the way Code S was run originally, when you needed to win Code A before you could compete in Code S (this has obviously changed with GOM's introduction of the free-passes for winning MLGs and such).
The other way to get a progamer license was to be given one by a progaming team. Each progaming team got 2 or 3 licenses per year that they could give to a person for free. IdrA, for example, earned his progaming license when eSTRO gave it to him as a prize for winning a foreigner tournament.
IdrA then proceeded to come to Korea and practice for years in the progaming house. Despite enormous improvements in his skill level, he was still nowhere near to A-team's performance level, and he never got to play a televised game. That wasn't because of some KeSPA anti-foreigner hate; it was simply because the Koreans too good at the game. Since there are foreigners who can compete with Koreans in SC2 (for now, at least), there's no historical evidence to justify claims that KeSPA would provide any sort of resistance to allowing foreigners into the scene.
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To all the uninformed on the case of progamer qualification in KeSpa, the courage tournament isn't the only way to get drafted by teams. Each teams have 2 'free' spot to give out if the players have demonstrated enough caliber of play but just can't get through courage. A good example of that is Idra, he didn't pass courage like the rest of the pack but he got a free pass. It was mainly because of his foreign status, so I would say that BW had given out foreign support.
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