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On March 23 2012 04:06 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 03:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 23 2012 03:33 KuKri wrote:
This is probably true, SC2 seems to be quite unpopular in Asia. But, WHY is it unpopular? BW fans say, 'it takes not skill', but I've never read about any specific reason. To me it seems Blizzard has made a good job. It has a better interface, like automining and selecting as many units as you like, they copied the trademark units like marines, tanks, zealots etc. and replaced some with clever ideas that add excitement to the gameplay, e.g. banelings.
What should they have done better? Making workers NOT automine? That would require more apm, but the less apm you need, the more important your strategies become...
Anyway, I like watching Broodwar matches, and if it becomes f2p I'd give it a shot.
And, I'm happy to see new tournaments arising for SC2 in Korea. It is free to play. Go on ICCUP or any other private server. We've been saying the same shit over and over in this thread. I'm not going to write another list. ffs people are lazy asses. But someone who has never heard of sc bw before don't know it's f2p. So it becomming free could be a huge boost to their numbers in the foreign scene.
The problem is this has been said over the course of the last few pages. I know this because I was one of them. It's really not that hard to read at least a few of the recent posts. Even if you were to gloss over it you probably would have seen it.
If people are interested in actually trying BW. I would expect a little more effort and even then it's not hard to find these private servers on SC:BW.
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Didn't see this posted anywhere so here is an article I read from http://esfiworld.com/sc2/feature/korean-scene-preparing-brood-war-switch
According to this article, the rumor is that SC2 Pro League may start as early as April.
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It's a question that has been looming over the StarCraft 2 scene for as long as the game has existed: Are the Brood War players coming?
Of course, it isn't just the players that we should be expecting; KeSPA, OGN, and the Brood War teams are all well established organizations that could have a significant impact on StarCraft 2 in Korea and abroad. Many have predicted what might happen if top tier Brood War players switched to the sequel en masse, such as in TeamLiquid's well known "Elephant In the Room" article. However, teams, players, and organizations have also begun to discuss what a switch might mean for them.
In an interview with ThisIsGame translated on TeamLiquid, Coach Won from StarTale, Mr. Chae from GOMTV, and Lim Jae Duk (IMNestea) discussed the likely switch of Brood War teams.
"Actually there has been numerous proposals about it," Chae said, "It's almost a fact now that BW pro teams are getting ready to step into the StarCraft 2 world."
NesTea said that he has also had contact with Brood War teams. "I've also received it. They asked me to introduce some players for them."
Cautioning that they were only rumors, Coach Won went even further and gave a potential date for the switch that could line up with the next season of Pro League.
"There is a rumor that BW teams are starting SC2 sometime this April." he said. "Nothing's official, but that's the word on the street."
Blizzard Entertainment President Mike Morhaime all but confirmed the rumors when he traveled to South Korea this month and met with KeSPA and OGN representatives at the Pro League studios. Inews24.com originally reported about the visit. During his media interviews, Morhamie stated, "We expect to work with KeSPA to open a StarCraft 2 pro league this year." After his visit there, Morhaime then visited the GOMTV studios, who've held exclusive rights to run StarCraft 2 tournaments in South Korea.
Not all organizations have had the same direct contact with Brood War teams and players. In an interview with ESFI World, Coach Choi from MVP said that he has not had the same interactions as Mr. Chae and Lim Jae Duk.
A potential switch of Brood War teams presents many challenges for current StarCraft 2 organizations in Korea. In general, Brood War teams are more established, have better financial backing, and are more influential than their StarCraft 2 counterparts. Once again, there are differing opinions within the Korean scene about how this could impact current teams. Coach Won foresees potential issues with teams offering more money for talented players and remaning on an even playing field.
"Frankly, I'm not sure BW teams will even acknowledge SC2 teams as a professional team." Won said, "Honestly, we cannot compete with them financially. How will we stop them from taking our players by offering more money?"
However, in an interview with ESFI, Incredible Miracle manager Dong-Hoon Kang offered a different outlook in regards to the potential signing of players from his team.
"That is for the players to decide." he said, "I am not too worried about better offers from the BW teams. The IM team can offer even better visions. I think maintaining the current team will work. I'm going to continue managing the same way as before..."
Though Coach Won said that he has only heard rumors of KeSPA's transition into StarCraft 2, he has considered what it could mean. MVP is preparing to improve both organizationally and in regards to player skill.
"Hypothetically, if the rumors are true, we will just have to make sure the players are playing top quality. Possibly even increase and improve their playing ability to make sure that they are as high [level] as the Brood War professional players. Brood War teams obviously have better sponsorships currently, so we will have to work hard to make sure that we have good, solid sponsorships."
Still, there may be little teams can do to prevent teams with more financial backing from acquiring talent on other teams as we have already seen throughout StarCraft 2's lifespan. While Brood War teams might not be targeting top players from the start, it could be very difficult for SC2 teams to hold on to their entire rosters. NesTea believes that many players will consider offers from the BW teams, especially lower tier players.
"They would definitely consider it. What I heard was that they want players that are very bottom-tiered," he said. "They want to buy them cheap and invest in them. They even asked me to introduce them and one player actually went."
Still, all parties were hopeful that current and 'new' teams would be able to work together. Although they did not discuss the GSL specifically, Mr. Chae confirmed that BW teams would not be prevented from participating in the GSTL.
"No, we won't stop them from participating."
Both Dong-Hoon Kang and Coach Choi were optimistic about competiting with the Brood War teams as well. "I think it would be really great if GOMTV and KeSPA do work together, especially for the players since they would be able to be in both organizations." Choi said, "It would be a great opportunity for them."
Dong-Hoon agreed with him. "I am excited about competing together with Brood War teams. I think it'll be fun and interesting. I am pretty confident as well."
They also agreed that KeSPA could be a potential governing body for StarCraft 2 teams, but believe that some changes may need to be made first. Both believe that the level of interaction with international teams and viewers in StarCraft 2 will need to be taken into consideration in order for KeSPA to be successful in the new game.
My personal goal is to train them into a global team. Their stage of activity will be the whole world, not just limited to Korea. - IM manager
"My personal goal is to train them into a global team," IM's manager told ESFI. "Their stage of activity will be the whole world, not just limited to Korea. I don't know what the change will be for me but I do think that all e-sports should eventually be globalized."
"All of the teams currently love the concept of going to foreign tournaments. I don't believe that there will be any impact at all," Choi said. "It really depends on how the organization functions and what the rules are. Whatever's best for the players. But it would require a lot of investigation and consideration about what their organization is like before joining."
The StarCraft 2 fanbase has slowly been increasing in Korea, with improving GSL crowds and comments from team managers including Josh Dentrinos (FXOBoss) stating the noticable increase in spectator support. Still, Dong-Hoon believes the Brood War switch could infuse new fans and sponsors to the sequel.
"I predict that there will definitely be a synergy effect, including our existing fans. We're talking about the potential of StarCraft 2 and not simply because of popular Brood War players."
While Coach Choi agreed, he also believes that the current system and infrastructure is a more pressing concern than acquiring the stars from the Brood War scene. He expressed that working with GomTV in regards to this matter in order to improve is very important.
"Brood War teams coming over will definitely gather more sponsors and fans. But I believe that the current system may be preventing StarCraft 2 from potentially being as popular as it could be in Korea." Choi said. "For example, bigger stadiums might help gather more fans and if GSTL was more like a Proleague format, more fans could be attracted. Even fixing those two factors may not bring SC2 to the same level Brood War was, but I think it will help a lot."
The transition of Brood War players and organizations seems to be more of a "when" question than an "if" at this point. While the impact and specifics of that transition remain to be seen, the major players in the StarCraft 2 scene seem to be aware of the potential changes that it will cause and are preparing as such. What Korean StarCraft 2 evolves into a year or even six months from now remains uncertain, but it will likely be familiar, yet different, in so many ways.
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We've already heard about the dates and what not. -.-
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On March 23 2012 04:09 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 04:06 RvB wrote:On March 23 2012 03:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 23 2012 03:33 KuKri wrote:
This is probably true, SC2 seems to be quite unpopular in Asia. But, WHY is it unpopular? BW fans say, 'it takes not skill', but I've never read about any specific reason. To me it seems Blizzard has made a good job. It has a better interface, like automining and selecting as many units as you like, they copied the trademark units like marines, tanks, zealots etc. and replaced some with clever ideas that add excitement to the gameplay, e.g. banelings.
What should they have done better? Making workers NOT automine? That would require more apm, but the less apm you need, the more important your strategies become...
Anyway, I like watching Broodwar matches, and if it becomes f2p I'd give it a shot.
And, I'm happy to see new tournaments arising for SC2 in Korea. It is free to play. Go on ICCUP or any other private server. We've been saying the same shit over and over in this thread. I'm not going to write another list. ffs people are lazy asses. But someone who has never heard of sc bw before don't know it's f2p. So it becomming free could be a huge boost to their numbers in the foreign scene. The problem is this has been said over the course of the last few pages. I know this because I was one of them. It's really not that hard to read at least a few of the recent posts. Even if you were to gloss over it you probably would have seen it. If people are interested in actually trying BW. I would expect a little more effort and even then it's not hard to find these private servers on SC:BW.
ICCUP and Private Servers are geared more towards people who already know something about BW. A Blizzard F2P BW is drastically different because as it is now a player has to be interested in BW before finding out it's free. If it were F2P, however, a player knows it's free, and this increases the chances he's interested in it (or at least willing to try it).
It's a subtle yet very important difference.
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On March 23 2012 05:40 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 04:09 StarStruck wrote:On March 23 2012 04:06 RvB wrote:On March 23 2012 03:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 23 2012 03:33 KuKri wrote:
This is probably true, SC2 seems to be quite unpopular in Asia. But, WHY is it unpopular? BW fans say, 'it takes not skill', but I've never read about any specific reason. To me it seems Blizzard has made a good job. It has a better interface, like automining and selecting as many units as you like, they copied the trademark units like marines, tanks, zealots etc. and replaced some with clever ideas that add excitement to the gameplay, e.g. banelings.
What should they have done better? Making workers NOT automine? That would require more apm, but the less apm you need, the more important your strategies become...
Anyway, I like watching Broodwar matches, and if it becomes f2p I'd give it a shot.
And, I'm happy to see new tournaments arising for SC2 in Korea. It is free to play. Go on ICCUP or any other private server. We've been saying the same shit over and over in this thread. I'm not going to write another list. ffs people are lazy asses. But someone who has never heard of sc bw before don't know it's f2p. So it becomming free could be a huge boost to their numbers in the foreign scene. The problem is this has been said over the course of the last few pages. I know this because I was one of them. It's really not that hard to read at least a few of the recent posts. Even if you were to gloss over it you probably would have seen it. If people are interested in actually trying BW. I would expect a little more effort and even then it's not hard to find these private servers on SC:BW. ICCUP and Private Servers are geared more towards people who already know something about BW. A Blizzard F2P BW is drastically different because as it is now a player has to be interested in BW before finding out it's free. If it were F2P, however, a player knows it's free, and this increases the chances he's interested in it (or at least willing to try it). It's a subtle yet very important difference.
The only thing the F2P version would be good for is the single player, Bnet is filled with cheaters
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On March 23 2012 05:40 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 04:09 StarStruck wrote:On March 23 2012 04:06 RvB wrote:On March 23 2012 03:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 23 2012 03:33 KuKri wrote:
This is probably true, SC2 seems to be quite unpopular in Asia. But, WHY is it unpopular? BW fans say, 'it takes not skill', but I've never read about any specific reason. To me it seems Blizzard has made a good job. It has a better interface, like automining and selecting as many units as you like, they copied the trademark units like marines, tanks, zealots etc. and replaced some with clever ideas that add excitement to the gameplay, e.g. banelings.
What should they have done better? Making workers NOT automine? That would require more apm, but the less apm you need, the more important your strategies become...
Anyway, I like watching Broodwar matches, and if it becomes f2p I'd give it a shot.
And, I'm happy to see new tournaments arising for SC2 in Korea. It is free to play. Go on ICCUP or any other private server. We've been saying the same shit over and over in this thread. I'm not going to write another list. ffs people are lazy asses. But someone who has never heard of sc bw before don't know it's f2p. So it becomming free could be a huge boost to their numbers in the foreign scene. The problem is this has been said over the course of the last few pages. I know this because I was one of them. It's really not that hard to read at least a few of the recent posts. Even if you were to gloss over it you probably would have seen it. If people are interested in actually trying BW. I would expect a little more effort and even then it's not hard to find these private servers on SC:BW. ICCUP and Private Servers are geared more towards people who already know something about BW. A Blizzard F2P BW is drastically different because as it is now a player has to be interested in BW before finding out it's free. If it were F2P, however, a player knows it's free, and this increases the chances he's interested in it (or at least willing to try it). It's a subtle yet very important difference.
You can talk about the skill caps all you want, but here are the facts.
Most games on b.net are usually fastest $$$ or some other b.s.
The amount of hackers and one in particular if you scroll over his game's will crash your client and you are completely fucked. Last time I checked, his bot was running something every few games. Think the chap calls himself Frost or some other shit. Anyway, I would d/c after every single game I played once he got on me and I actually had to reformat. -_-
I don't know anyone who still plays on b.net for ages.
In other words, don't use it because the community is practically non-existant.
There are still lots of people trying out the game on private servers. ICCUP might be the best in terms of learning curve because fish/brain and all that other shit. Well, yeah you're even more dead.
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On March 17 2012 15:50 Condor Hero wrote:Their exclusive deal in Korea is about to run out anyways. Awesome news, because one company having a monopoly on SC2 in Korea isn't a good thing for viewers.
feeled like Gom owned players, too much of a relationships between player/league, +1 tournament means more games, more money. Wonder who the casters will be for SC2Porlegue (foreign)
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On March 23 2012 07:11 Corsica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:50 Condor Hero wrote:On March 17 2012 15:48 Taku wrote:
Gom TV getting thrown under the bus? Their exclusive deal in Korea is about to run out anyways. Awesome news, because one company having a monopoly on SC2 in Korea isn't a good thing for viewers. feeled like Gom owned players, too much of a relationships between player/league, +1 tournament means more games, more money. Wonder who the casters will be for SC2Porlegue (foreign)
I don't really care because I will be watching the best Korean commentating team in the business regardless. I expect quite a number of other people to follow suit too.
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On March 23 2012 07:14 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:11 Corsica wrote:On March 17 2012 15:50 Condor Hero wrote:On March 17 2012 15:48 Taku wrote:
Gom TV getting thrown under the bus? Their exclusive deal in Korea is about to run out anyways. Awesome news, because one company having a monopoly on SC2 in Korea isn't a good thing for viewers. feeled like Gom owned players, too much of a relationships between player/league, +1 tournament means more games, more money. Wonder who the casters will be for SC2Porlegue (foreign) I don't really care because I will be watching the best Korean commentating team in the business regardless. I expect quite a number of other people to follow suit too.
True, i dont know what Proleague will have to 1 up Gom. But probably means higher salaries for Tastosis ^____^
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I'll believe it when I see it. So many posts about "Huge influx of BW Pros coming" and no real movement.
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It would be pretty sick if the teams really started focusing on the Teamleague, instead of making it an afterthought. Or better yet, if current teams merged with their BW counterparts! Imagine SlayerS' + SKT1 :O
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On March 23 2012 11:39 QTIP. wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it. So many posts about "Huge influx of BW Pros coming" and no real movement.
All the posts announce april (that I have read), but in general I am with you when I see it i'll believe it.
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On March 23 2012 11:57 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 11:39 QTIP. wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it. So many posts about "Huge influx of BW Pros coming" and no real movement. All the posts announce april (that I have read), but in general I am with you when I see it i'll believe it.
kinda makes no sense when OSL is starting in April.
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On March 23 2012 13:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 11:57 blade55555 wrote:On March 23 2012 11:39 QTIP. wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it. So many posts about "Huge influx of BW Pros coming" and no real movement. All the posts announce april (that I have read), but in general I am with you when I see it i'll believe it. kinda makes no sense when OSL is starting in April.
Maybe because of that it makes sense.. 
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I'm not big into SC2, but I'm kinda waiting for Blizz and Kespa to sort things out. SC2 needs BW-style training regime for players and good team management.
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On March 23 2012 13:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 11:57 blade55555 wrote:On March 23 2012 11:39 QTIP. wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it. So many posts about "Huge influx of BW Pros coming" and no real movement. All the posts announce april (that I have read), but in general I am with you when I see it i'll believe it. kinda makes no sense when OSL is starting in April.
Depends on the schedule, but OGN definitely won't conjure up a second studio out of thin air.
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