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hmmm interesting stuff, thanks
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On March 19 2012 16:37 goding wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 16:33 Kiyo. wrote:On March 19 2012 16:29 goding wrote:On March 19 2012 16:28 Kiyo. wrote:Is this graph taking data at a certain amount of time after the season actually airs, or is it total lifetime views? If it's the latter, isn't it kinda obvious that the VODs that have been up longer have more views? It was taken every end of each month. So it is total views on the VODs, not a set amount of time after the season ends. Doesn't it make sense then that the older VODs have more views? I am not sure what you are specifically asking.But at end of each month, view number of each VODs were counted and added up at that time So there was no more than one month accumulative view counts. They didnt count in month such as November to count for Jan. It would void the whole thing
So basically what I'm asking is: Do the VODs for GSL January 2011 have 13 months of viewer count in that graph? Where as the VODs for GSL November 2011 only have 2 months worth of viewer count.
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On March 19 2012 16:44 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 16:37 goding wrote:On March 19 2012 16:33 Kiyo. wrote:On March 19 2012 16:29 goding wrote:On March 19 2012 16:28 Kiyo. wrote:Is this graph taking data at a certain amount of time after the season actually airs, or is it total lifetime views? If it's the latter, isn't it kinda obvious that the VODs that have been up longer have more views? It was taken every end of each month. So it is total views on the VODs, not a set amount of time after the season ends. Doesn't it make sense then that the older VODs have more views? I am not sure what you are specifically asking.But at end of each month, view number of each VODs were counted and added up at that time So there was no more than one month accumulative view counts. They didnt count in month such as November to count for Jan. It would void the whole thing So basically what I'm asking is: Do the VODs for GSL January 2011 have 13 months of viewer count in that graph? Where as the VODs for GSL November 2011 only have 2 months worth of viewer count.
No. If you read what I wrote -.-
They didnt count in month such as November to count for January. It would void the whole thing
I suggest we move out with this discussion of popularity. I fear it will lead to unfavorable tension
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On March 19 2012 16:45 goding wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 16:44 Kiyo. wrote:On March 19 2012 16:37 goding wrote:On March 19 2012 16:33 Kiyo. wrote:On March 19 2012 16:29 goding wrote:On March 19 2012 16:28 Kiyo. wrote:Is this graph taking data at a certain amount of time after the season actually airs, or is it total lifetime views? If it's the latter, isn't it kinda obvious that the VODs that have been up longer have more views? It was taken every end of each month. So it is total views on the VODs, not a set amount of time after the season ends. Doesn't it make sense then that the older VODs have more views? I am not sure what you are specifically asking.But at end of each month, view number of each VODs were counted and added up at that time So there was no more than one month accumulative view counts. They didnt count in month such as November to count for Jan. It would void the whole thing So basically what I'm asking is: Do the VODs for GSL January 2011 have 13 months of viewer count in that graph? Where as the VODs for GSL November 2011 only have 2 months worth of viewer count. No. If you read what I wrote -.- They didnt count in month such as November to count for Jan. It would void the whole thing
I just went and checked the numbers and those are pretty similar to the current #s right now:
So GSL January 2011 has 290k views on the finals in the 13 1/2 months it's been up.
GSL March 2011 has 324k views on the finals in the 12 months it's been up.
GSL November 2011 has 208.5k views on the finals in the 3 months it's been up.
Obviously the amount of views are gonna dip per month as a tournament gets older and November VODs will probably take another year or so to hit 290k views, however, those graphs aren't a good indicator of viewership since it doesn't take into account the amount of months a VOD has been up.
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On March 19 2012 17:02 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 16:45 goding wrote:On March 19 2012 16:44 Kiyo. wrote:On March 19 2012 16:37 goding wrote:On March 19 2012 16:33 Kiyo. wrote:On March 19 2012 16:29 goding wrote:On March 19 2012 16:28 Kiyo. wrote:Is this graph taking data at a certain amount of time after the season actually airs, or is it total lifetime views? If it's the latter, isn't it kinda obvious that the VODs that have been up longer have more views? It was taken every end of each month. So it is total views on the VODs, not a set amount of time after the season ends. Doesn't it make sense then that the older VODs have more views? I am not sure what you are specifically asking.But at end of each month, view number of each VODs were counted and added up at that time So there was no more than one month accumulative view counts. They didnt count in month such as November to count for Jan. It would void the whole thing So basically what I'm asking is: Do the VODs for GSL January 2011 have 13 months of viewer count in that graph? Where as the VODs for GSL November 2011 only have 2 months worth of viewer count. No. If you read what I wrote -.- They didnt count in month such as November to count for Jan. It would void the whole thing I just went and checked the numbers and those are pretty similar to the current #s right now: So GSL January 2011 has 290k views on the finals in the 13 1/2 months it's been up. GSL March 2011 has 324k views on the finals in the 12 months it's been up. GSL November 2011 has 208.5k views on the finals in the 3 months it's been up. Obviously the amount of views are gonna dip per month as a tournament gets older and November VODs will probably take another year or so to hit 290k views, however, those graphs aren't a good indicator of viewership since it doesn't take into account the amount of months a VOD has been up.
Hmm. That is interesting. I didnt know that. The website just told me what I have told you. I didnt bother to check if it was correct though.Thanks for pointing that out
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Im pretty sure viewer numbers are decreasing and are going to do so until release of hots. So dont worry...even if hots suck it will fix viewer numbers at least another year.
e: Im not saying it will suck but just talking worst case scenario here.
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Just dont kill BW, Kespa...I suspect you will be sorry a few years from now if you do.
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Those GSL VOD numbers aren't high enough to sustain the business. We need SC2 to grow, and Blizzard is in a position to help that happen if they would only step up and promote harder.
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On March 19 2012 18:04 sheaRZerg wrote:
Just dont kill BW, Kespa...I suspect you will be sorry a few years from now if you do.
Eh...depends on how successful LoL and other action-RTS games are, or whatever the next trend of competitive games are.
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On March 19 2012 18:04 sheaRZerg wrote:
Just dont kill BW, Kespa...I suspect you will be sorry a few years from now if you do.
BW isn't what KeSPA cared about, its the revenue it could obtain. BW needs to be reinvigorated from the community stand point so viewership increases and KeSPA can responsibly allocate resources without risking peoples jobs and stuff. They have no fanboy loyalty.
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On March 17 2012 15:52 rift wrote:
I feel sick.
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reading this thread i have concluded that BW has the most rabid, unreasonable and insecure fans of all competitive esports, including cs 1.6
your reality distortion fields rival those of mac users.
User was warned for this post
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On March 18 2012 23:42 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 23:36 WigglingSquid wrote:This is fairly big news. I hope that the parts will find a "peaceful" solution. SC2 is saturated with tournaments nowadays, the current player pool will just not be enough to fill everything in. On March 18 2012 23:26 HyunA wrote:
so, from what are you saying, LoL becoming uber-popular in korea means the beggining of the end for bw and sc2?
don't get me wrong, i'm a sc2 player and i love it, but that joke of a game called LoL has 4 times the audience of sc2 from what i have seen on streams. or maybe more.
so if this is appealing to the masses, it is really sad seeing good rts games losing popularity over lame mobas. To a good extent, Blizzard is to blame. Valve/Riot are doing the right thing: offering tools for spectatorship and community involvement right inside the game. Valve doesn't do anything for eSports. The International is equivalent to Blizzcon. Blizzard does a boat load for the professional communities in comparison to valve
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WHAT THE FUCK?
One of the earliest E-sport game and was even bigger than BW back then.
On March 19 2012 20:25 synaptik wrote:
reading this thread i have concluded that BW has the most rabid, unreasonable and insecure fans of all competitive esports, including cs 1.6
your reality distortion fields rival those of mac users.
It really depends on whos arguing who. Also, have you ever tried following BW and/or playing it online? SC2 people needs to try BW first before trying trash the game because most BW fans have tried SC2 and actually has the right to criticize it compared to most SC2 players who doesn't actually understand BW and it's History as the most competitive E-sport, ever.
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On March 19 2012 18:07 Zzoram wrote:
Those GSL VOD numbers aren't high enough to sustain the business. We need SC2 to grow, and Blizzard is in a position to help that happen if they would only step up and promote harder.
Unless you can see Goms numbers and balance sheet we have no clue about that.
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On March 19 2012 20:25 synaptik wrote:
reading this thread i have concluded that BW has the most rabid, unreasonable and insecure fans of all competitive esports, including cs 1.6
your reality distortion fields rival those of mac users.
It's easy to talk with confidence when your game is currently is riding the hype band wagon . But don't worry I will remember to pay back the same favour when sc2 is topple down by other games . It's like how linux users think they are superior in many ways because of the difficulty it is needed to operate the system compared to windows user .
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On March 19 2012 22:32 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 20:25 synaptik wrote:
reading this thread i have concluded that BW has the most rabid, unreasonable and insecure fans of all competitive esports, including cs 1.6
your reality distortion fields rival those of mac users.
It's easy to talk with confidence when your game is currently is riding the hype band wagon . But don't worry I will remember to pay back the same favour when sc2 is topple down by other games . It's like how linux users think they are superior in many ways because of the difficulty it is needed to operate the system compared to windows user .
If I ever reach a point where i am dogging SC3 (should it be a good game) or in a more recent likelihood am saying we shoudlnt play HotS and it is a failiure and it is a terrible thing because I prefer watching WoL then feel free to set me strait and I will thank you for it.
As for the announcement itself the thing I am most looking forward to is seeing what kind of maps they come up with. I look forward to seeing if they can create the kind of maps that redefine the way certain matchups are thought of. Some of the KESPA maps that I passionately hated and some that I loved where still fun to watch games on (except when certain people got terrible luck)
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Please for the love of esports promote sc2 so it can crush LoL. BW proleague is still more entertaining to me than gstl, I wonder how they will promote sc2 after it had been shunned by kespa for so long.
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On March 18 2012 14:53 jinorazi wrote:
i know its just for money but...
am i the only one that thinks sc2 isn't ready to replace bw? as in bw pros (kespa) players switching over.
i'm ok with bw and sc2, i'm ok with sc2 overtaking bw, i just dont think sc2 is up to par yet.
Well, we cant have everything at once. How good was BW back in 2003? I think the difference is far bigger. To add, SC2 is shaping much better than it has been since launch - maps, execution, skill does not stand still. Although one thing that is pretty ugly is 2 more expansions for SC2. I dont think this will come out as anything good. So many years for just finally settling the core balance. Thing is not that expansions are bad - Blizz exps for everygame just improved EVERY single game.
However, it is new blizzard that FUCKING drags the release dates. It is seriously bad. We are nowhere near the HOTS, which already should be in beta. And then testing some more. And then delaying some more. And then LotV. It really shows blizz gone downhill in terms of quality in reasonable amount of time.
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On March 19 2012 22:32 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 20:25 synaptik wrote:
reading this thread i have concluded that BW has the most rabid, unreasonable and insecure fans of all competitive esports, including cs 1.6
your reality distortion fields rival those of mac users.
It's easy to talk with confidence when your game is currently is riding the hype band wagon . But don't worry I will remember to pay back the same favour when sc2 is topple down by other games . It's like how linux users think they are superior in many ways because of the difficulty it is needed to operate the system compared to windows user .
Why so much hate? Hype band wagon? Pay backs? Calm down.
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I bet that once Gom's license runs out, then kespa will takeover sc2, and all sc2 will be shown on ogn, and all the bw teams will takeover, because they just have more money to pay the current top sc2 players with, than the current sc2 teams. And then it'll most likely be like bw was, where they dont care much about the foreigners. And then it'll just be like bw, where kespa rules anything, and foreigners wont have a chance to compete, and korean progaming will just purely be in Korea, just like it was with bw. However we might be lucky, that kespa will recognise that how much the foreign scene loves watching korean sc2, and maybe make an english stream, and maybe use tastosis (if possible) as caster, for a stream for foreigners.
You can only hope, because I truly think, that once gom's license runs out, things will change in Korea... Alot!
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