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Because every foreigners whines about imbalance rather than improving. If their race drops to a 49% win-rate in a match-up they immediately claim it is un-winnable and whine about how imba X is.
On March 17 2012 16:36 VoO wrote:
It's funny that every Terran is complaining right now from Gold to GSL. Choya beating MMA? Please... there is a problem, stop denying it. I'm playing Protoss and Terrans start leaving at the beginning of the game with comments like: "I have better ways to waste my time."
... ROFL. MMA is AWFUL vs. P and always has been. He played like shit and deserved to lose. Jesus, you can't be serious.
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There are couple of problems with terran race.
Terran is just harder to play and yes this is coming from terran and I have beaten top EU players with offraces before so I know/did play other races - which makes casual players not wanting to invest more time into game than protoss or zerg.
I wanted to make one thing clear, so often I see "terran got mules doesnt matter how many workers you kill". Every time something like this happends zerg or protoss sacrifice their tech in order to do so, 6g allin kills 20scvs or baneling bust kills 20 scvs but T still wins 5min after? Imagine if terran did 5 rax allin vs protoss with marines and protoss gets 3 colossus out and terran got only marines, but killed 20 probes, terran is still going to die just like terran kills zerg or protoss after losing scvs with medivac/stim or/and with tanks. Mules are NEEDED to keep up with zerg/toss early game because we dont have chrono boost or larva, after 10min you use mules for scans so people talking about mules being OP are just completely clueless about game. Are mules IMBA late game with 10 scvs and 50 orbitals? yes, is remaxing 200/200 in two warpins or zerg 200/200 in 20sec IMBA? yes. I'd always trade mules for warpin or larva late game.
Making mistake as terran after 20min will cost you the game, there is no question about it 4-5 base vs 4-5 base and you mess up and lose 100 army supply and he got 150 left? you will die due to terran not being able to make units fast enough like Z and P can. This is frustrating for pros but for casual players as well and this thread isnt about GM/GSL level only its for all levels of play.
TvZ requires a lot of apm from both sides, but what is problem again for lower league players is that terran is hard to micro, lets say bronze league TvZ, zerg makes 50 banelings and terran got 3-5 tanks and mass marine 1) he wont split 2) he wont split siege tanks (sieged) and all zerg needs is to a-move in order to win, because a-moving with ling and bling is a lot harder than spliting marines and doing siege in good position/on time. Players who dont want to invest time into game will rather play zerg or protoss instead terran, who wouldnt?
TvP is just not balanced in late game, I talked to Slayers terrans and I will quote them "protoss 3-3 terran die" and "protoss T_T". What is the problem in TvP? Zealots have too much hp and are too cost effective units which makes them broken in late game along with warpin. One missmicro from T and you will die. Another problem is terran not having T3 units and having to fight with T1 and T2 whole game, Thors and BC's (if we count them as T3) are a joke and the ghost nerf screwed TvP even more than TvZ because you cant snipe zealots anymore which helped A LOT before. If you watch GSL you would know that every terran is allining protoss and those who dont die in hilarious fashion. All of this makes people not wanting to play terran.
What us terrans want? and im pretty sure I talk for everyone who plays terran now. We dont want our race easier or boost our marines or marauders, we want viable T3 and if in order to win we need to split marines vs banelings, why does protoss needs to a-move for zealots? Why is there smart AI (or how you call it) that make them auto-surround terran bio? Make protoss have hotkey to use charge every 10sec and if they a-move zealots get stuck one behind another till you micro them just like with ranged units when you a-move the first one to get in range will shoot and those behind will run around, please do same for melee units. We want other races micro to be harder and more rewarding just like terran units are like now, just like blink stalkers or mutas are.
My games this season on high GM are:
123 TvP 40.32%
106 TvZ 34.75%
76 TvT 24.91%
There is no doubt more and more people keep quiting playing terran and this isnt whine post, this just just a FACT post and stats support what everyone one of us is saying.
TLDR: 1) terran requires too much time invested in order to win games,
2) mules are comeback unit only if you sacrificed tech to kill scvs,
3) terran has no T3 units,
4) give other races more micro options and more micro rewarding units.
extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect 
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Beastyqt has spoken. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:There are couple of problems with terran race. Terran is just harder to play and yes this is coming from terran and I have beaten top EU players with offraces before so I know/did play other races - which makes casual players not wanting to invest more time into game than protoss or zerg. I wanted to make one thing clear, so often I see "terran got mules doesnt matter how many workers you kill". Every time something like this happends zerg or protoss sacrifice their tech in order to do so, 6g allin kills 20scvs or baneling bust kills 20 scvs but T still wins 5min after? Imagine if terran did 5 rax allin vs protoss with marines and protoss gets 3 colossus out and terran got only marines, but killed 20 probes, terran is still going to die just like terran kills zerg or protoss after losing scvs with medivac/stim or/and with tanks. Mules are NEEDED to keep up with zerg/toss early game because we dont have chrono boost or larva, after 10min you use mules for scans so people talking about mules being OP are just completely clueless about game. Are mules IMBA late game with 10 scvs and 50 orbitals? yes, is remaxing 200/200 in two warpins or zerg 200/200 in 20sec IMBA? yes. I'd always trade mules for warpin or larva late game. Making mistake as terran after 20min will cost you the game, there is no question about it 4-5 base vs 4-5 base and you mess up and lose 100 army supply and he got 150 left? you will die due to terran not being able to make units fast enough like Z and P can. This is frustrating for pros but for casual players as well and this thread isnt about GM/GSL level only its for all levels of play. TvZ requires a lot of apm from both sides, but what is problem again for lower league players is that terran is hard to micro, lets say bronze league TvZ, zerg makes 50 banelings and terran got 3-5 tanks and mass marine 1) he wont split 2) he wont split siege tanks (sieged) and all zerg needs is to a-move in order to win, because a-moving with ling and bling is a lot harder than spliting marines and doing siege in good position/on time. Players who dont want to invest time into game will rather play zerg or protoss instead terran, who wouldnt? TvP is just not balanced in late game, I talked to Slayers terrans and I will quote them "protoss 3-3 terran die" and "protoss T_T". What is the problem in TvP? Zealots have too much hp and are too cost effective units which makes them broken in late game along with warpin. One missmicro from T and you will die. Another problem is terran not having T3 units and having to fight with T1 and T2 whole game, Thors and BC's (if we count them as T3) are a joke and the ghost nerf screwed TvP even more than TvZ because you cant snipe zealots anymore which helped A LOT before. If you watch GSL you would know that every terran is allining protoss and those who dont die in hilarious fashion. All of this makes people not wanting to play terran. What us terrans want? and im pretty sure I talk for everyone who plays terran now. We dont want our race easier or boost our marines or marauders, we want viable T3 and if in order to win we need to split marines vs banelings, why does protoss needs to a-move for zealots? Why is there smart AI (or how you call it) that make them auto-surround terran bio? Make protoss have hotkey to use charge every 10sec and if they a-move zealots get stuck one behind another till you micro them just like with ranged units when you a-move the first one to get in range will shoot and those behind will run around, please do same for melee units. We want other races micro to be harder and more rewarding just like terran units are like now, just like blink stalkers or mutas are. My games this season on high GM are: 123 TvP 40.32% 106 TvZ 34.75% 76 TvT 24.91% There is no doubt more and more people keep quiting playing terran and this isnt whine post, this just just a FACT post and stats support what everyone one of us is saying. TLDR: 1) terran requires too much time invested in order to win games, 2) mules are comeback unit only if you sacrificed tech to kill scvs, 3) terran has no T3 units, 4) give other races more micro options and more micro rewarding units. extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect
Exceptional post honestly. Glad to see it isn't just horrible players like myself that feel this way.
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Wow, great post. Sums up my thoughts entirely. I also think you have to seriously outmultitask Zerg to beat them lategame.
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I was about to bash someone then noticed it is Beasty.qt. NVM
I have no merit to talk over a competitive gamer ^^. Terran definitely is very hard, but so are all the races in their own ways. In this current state of Meta/Balance I do say Terran is a lot harder then P and Z (coming from a P player)
I think HoTS will help, just sucks we have to wait that long. Hopefully they do something before hand.
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On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:There are couple of problems with terran race. Terran is just harder to play and yes this is coming from terran and I have beaten top EU players with offraces before so I know/did play other races - which makes casual players not wanting to invest more time into game than protoss or zerg. I wanted to make one thing clear, so often I see "terran got mules doesnt matter how many workers you kill". Every time something like this happends zerg or protoss sacrifice their tech in order to do so, 6g allin kills 20scvs or baneling bust kills 20 scvs but T still wins 5min after? Imagine if terran did 5 rax allin vs protoss with marines and protoss gets 3 colossus out and terran got only marines, but killed 20 probes, terran is still going to die just like terran kills zerg or protoss after losing scvs with medivac/stim or/and with tanks. Mules are NEEDED to keep up with zerg/toss early game because we dont have chrono boost or larva, after 10min you use mules for scans so people talking about mules being OP are just completely clueless about game. Are mules IMBA late game with 10 scvs and 50 orbitals? yes, is remaxing 200/200 in two warpins or zerg 200/200 in 20sec IMBA? yes. I'd always trade mules for warpin or larva late game. Making mistake as terran after 20min will cost you the game, there is no question about it 4-5 base vs 4-5 base and you mess up and lose 100 army supply and he got 150 left? you will die due to terran not being able to make units fast enough like Z and P can. This is frustrating for pros but for casual players as well and this thread isnt about GM/GSL level only its for all levels of play. TvZ requires a lot of apm from both sides, but what is problem again for lower league players is that terran is hard to micro, lets say bronze league TvZ, zerg makes 50 banelings and terran got 3-5 tanks and mass marine 1) he wont split 2) he wont split siege tanks (sieged) and all zerg needs is to a-move in order to win, because a-moving with ling and bling is a lot harder than spliting marines and doing siege in good position/on time. Players who dont want to invest time into game will rather play zerg or protoss instead terran, who wouldnt? TvP is just not balanced in late game, I talked to Slayers terrans and I will quote them "protoss 3-3 terran die" and "protoss T_T". What is the problem in TvP? Zealots have too much hp and are too cost effective units which makes them broken in late game along with warpin. One missmicro from T and you will die. Another problem is terran not having T3 units and having to fight with T1 and T2 whole game, Thors and BC's (if we count them as T3) are a joke and the ghost nerf screwed TvP even more than TvZ because you cant snipe zealots anymore which helped A LOT before. If you watch GSL you would know that every terran is allining protoss and those who dont die in hilarious fashion. All of this makes people not wanting to play terran. What us terrans want? and im pretty sure I talk for everyone who plays terran now. We dont want our race easier or boost our marines or marauders, we want viable T3 and if in order to win we need to split marines vs banelings, why does protoss needs to a-move for zealots? Why is there smart AI (or how you call it) that make them auto-surround terran bio? Make protoss have hotkey to use charge every 10sec and if they a-move zealots get stuck one behind another till you micro them just like with ranged units when you a-move the first one to get in range will shoot and those behind will run around, please do same for melee units. We want other races micro to be harder and more rewarding just like terran units are like now, just like blink stalkers or mutas are. My games this season on high GM are: 123 TvP 40.32% 106 TvZ 34.75% 76 TvT 24.91% There is no doubt more and more people keep quiting playing terran and this isnt whine post, this just just a FACT post and stats support what everyone one of us is saying. TLDR: 1) terran requires too much time invested in order to win games, 2) mules are comeback unit only if you sacrificed tech to kill scvs, 3) terran has no T3 units, 4) give other races more micro options and more micro rewarding units. extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect
so true...
everytime, i win a fight in lategame tvp and got some supply bio left, protoss just warps in zealots from 30gates, a moves and finishes the game....
i am so hoping for HotS, that blizzard learned something 
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On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:There are couple of problems with terran race. Terran is just harder to play and yes this is coming from terran and I have beaten top EU players with offraces before so I know/did play other races - which makes casual players not wanting to invest more time into game than protoss or zerg. I wanted to make one thing clear, so often I see "terran got mules doesnt matter how many workers you kill". Every time something like this happends zerg or protoss sacrifice their tech in order to do so, 6g allin kills 20scvs or baneling bust kills 20 scvs but T still wins 5min after? Imagine if terran did 5 rax allin vs protoss with marines and protoss gets 3 colossus out and terran got only marines, but killed 20 probes, terran is still going to die just like terran kills zerg or protoss after losing scvs with medivac/stim or/and with tanks. Mules are NEEDED to keep up with zerg/toss early game because we dont have chrono boost or larva, after 10min you use mules for scans so people talking about mules being OP are just completely clueless about game. Are mules IMBA late game with 10 scvs and 50 orbitals? yes, is remaxing 200/200 in two warpins or zerg 200/200 in 20sec IMBA? yes. I'd always trade mules for warpin or larva late game. Making mistake as terran after 20min will cost you the game, there is no question about it 4-5 base vs 4-5 base and you mess up and lose 100 army supply and he got 150 left? you will die due to terran not being able to make units fast enough like Z and P can. This is frustrating for pros but for casual players as well and this thread isnt about GM/GSL level only its for all levels of play. TvZ requires a lot of apm from both sides, but what is problem again for lower league players is that terran is hard to micro, lets say bronze league TvZ, zerg makes 50 banelings and terran got 3-5 tanks and mass marine 1) he wont split 2) he wont split siege tanks (sieged) and all zerg needs is to a-move in order to win, because a-moving with ling and bling is a lot harder than spliting marines and doing siege in good position/on time. Players who dont want to invest time into game will rather play zerg or protoss instead terran, who wouldnt? TvP is just not balanced in late game, I talked to Slayers terrans and I will quote them "protoss 3-3 terran die" and "protoss T_T". What is the problem in TvP? Zealots have too much hp and are too cost effective units which makes them broken in late game along with warpin. One missmicro from T and you will die. Another problem is terran not having T3 units and having to fight with T1 and T2 whole game, Thors and BC's (if we count them as T3) are a joke and the ghost nerf screwed TvP even more than TvZ because you cant snipe zealots anymore which helped A LOT before. If you watch GSL you would know that every terran is allining protoss and those who dont die in hilarious fashion. All of this makes people not wanting to play terran. What us terrans want? and im pretty sure I talk for everyone who plays terran now. We dont want our race easier or boost our marines or marauders, we want viable T3 and if in order to win we need to split marines vs banelings, why does protoss needs to a-move for zealots? Why is there smart AI (or how you call it) that make them auto-surround terran bio? Make protoss have hotkey to use charge every 10sec and if they a-move zealots get stuck one behind another till you micro them just like with ranged units when you a-move the first one to get in range will shoot and those behind will run around, please do same for melee units. We want other races micro to be harder and more rewarding just like terran units are like now, just like blink stalkers or mutas are. My games this season on high GM are: 123 TvP 40.32% 106 TvZ 34.75% 76 TvT 24.91% There is no doubt more and more people keep quiting playing terran and this isnt whine post, this just just a FACT post and stats support what everyone one of us is saying. TLDR: 1) terran requires too much time invested in order to win games, 2) mules are comeback unit only if you sacrificed tech to kill scvs, 3) terran has no T3 units, 4) give other races more micro options and more micro rewarding units. extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect
I completely agree. The thing I am the most fucking mad about is how they nerfed snipe, sniping zealots really was becoming a way to deal with protoss lategame zealots. Obviously it required sick micro and it made Terran even harder lategame, but atleast you could do something about the 500 million zealots that get warped in constantly. I think the game is still pretty balanced, but on my high master/gm level, protoss is rediculously strong. I just want the other races to be harder. I almost stopped playing Terran this season after the snipe nerf. I really was extremely close. I had played about 50 games with Zerg, before I released I don't like the race, if next season something doesn't change, I will switch to protoss to see if I enjoy that.
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On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:[ ... ] extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect
I hear what you are saying Beasty. However, that last comment is mind boggling to me. Last time I checked you are a pro and if you truly believe you can perform better with the other races I see no reason for you to stick with Terran. This 'self respect' argument is quite a common one among Zerg / Terran players who feel their race is super hard and weak but you and all those other (in my opinion, sorry about this) whiny players should realize that there is nothing that strengthens your argument as much as switching to P/Z and perform significantly better than with Terran. Not only does it help justify your opinion, it makes you feel awesome as you can say 'told ya so!' and, of course, your career will be more successful. So again, I don't see why you wouldn't at least try it.
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On March 17 2012 17:25 Skwid1g wrote:Because every foreigners whines about imbalance rather than improving. If their race drops to a 49% win-rate in a match-up they immediately claim it is un-winnable and whine about how imba X is. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 16:36 VoO wrote:
It's funny that every Terran is complaining right now from Gold to GSL. Choya beating MMA? Please... there is a problem, stop denying it. I'm playing Protoss and Terrans start leaving at the beginning of the game with comments like: "I have better ways to waste my time." ... ROFL. MMA is AWFUL vs. P and always has been. He played like shit and deserved to lose. Jesus, you can't be serious.
Yes, who doesn't remember Choya's win against qxc and his 47% winrate which is apparently not considered by you since you are obviously a Protoss fanboy with double standards. The losses against Terran monsters like JinSung and dreamertt are nothing. Glad that he used the time (read: patches) to develop his PvT to win against a GSL champion and #2 ranked player world wide. Glad that nobody agrees with me, especially MKP/Puma who didn't publicly state that they are very concerned about Protoss. Glad that all this didn't happen, glad that even now Pros like BeastyQT don't express their concern. Glad that no Terran - including myself as high master and master Protoss - have a valid opinion which counts.
Let me ask: What is your next excuse? What you need to do now is basically to deny reality since there are no arguments left.
On March 17 2012 18:06 Barett wrote:
I was about to bash someone then noticed it is Beasty.qt. NVM
I have no merit to talk over a competitive gamer ^^. Terran definitely is very hard, but so are all the races in their own ways. In this current state of Meta/Balance I do say Terran is a lot harder then P and Z (coming from a P player)
I think HoTS will help, just sucks we have to wait that long. Hopefully they do something before hand.
Nice double standard. So that means you would basically "bashed" him if he wasn't pro but had a valid opinion?
Can a admit please ban me so that I won't post again? I'm so sick of you people and your double standards.
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On March 17 2012 18:26 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:[ ... ] extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect I hear what you are saying Beasty. However, that last comment is mind boggling to me. Last time I checked you are a pro and if you truly believe you can perform better with the other races I see no reason for you to stick with Terran. This 'self respect' argument is quite a common one among Zerg / Terran players who feel their race is super hard and weak but you and all those other (in my opinion, sorry about this) whiny players should realize that there is nothing that strengthens your argument as much as switching to P/Z and perform significantly better than with Terran. Not only does it help justify your opinion, it makes you feel awesome as you can say 'told ya so!' and, of course, your career will be more successful. So again, I don't see why you wouldn't at least try it.
There is something special about Terran.
You have to micro and microing is the most fun part of this game
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On March 17 2012 18:26 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:[ ... ] extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect I hear what you are saying Beasty. However, that last comment is mind boggling to me. Last time I checked you are a pro and if you truly believe you can perform better with the other races I see no reason for you to stick with Terran. This 'self respect' argument is quite a common one among Zerg / Terran players who feel their race is super hard and weak but you and all those other (in my opinion, sorry about this) whiny players should realize that there is nothing that strengthens your argument as much as switching to P/Z and perform significantly better than with Terran. Not only does it help justify your opinion, it makes you feel awesome as you can say 'told ya so!' and, of course, your career will be more successful. So again, I don't see why you wouldn't at least try it.
I tried all 3 races and I find terran fun to play unlike other two. Marine micro even its hard its really fun to play with it and same with doing multiple drops same time and playing mech or bio which are completely different, like playing other race in a way.
Last comment was a joke
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On March 17 2012 18:26 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:[ ... ] extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect I hear what you are saying Beasty. However, that last comment is mind boggling to me. Last time I checked you are a pro and if you truly believe you can perform better with the other races I see no reason for you to stick with Terran. This 'self respect' argument is quite a common one among Zerg / Terran players who feel their race is super hard and weak but you and all those other (in my opinion, sorry about this) whiny players should realize that there is nothing that strengthens your argument as much as switching to P/Z and perform significantly better than with Terran. Not only does it help justify your opinion, it makes you feel awesome as you can say 'told ya so!' and, of course, your career will be more successful. So again, I don't see why you wouldn't at least try it.
Watch Beasty stream, he will play random or pick protoss/zerg sometimes for fun. He does it in GM EU.
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On March 17 2012 18:26 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:[ ... ] extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect I hear what you are saying Beasty. However, that last comment is mind boggling to me. Last time I checked you are a pro and if you truly believe you can perform better with the other races I see no reason for you to stick with Terran. This 'self respect' argument is quite a common one among Zerg / Terran players who feel their race is super hard and weak but you and all those other (in my opinion, sorry about this) whiny players should realize that there is nothing that strengthens your argument as much as switching to P/Z and perform significantly better than with Terran. Not only does it help justify your opinion, it makes you feel awesome as you can say 'told ya so!' and, of course, your career will be more successful. So again, I don't see why you wouldn't at least try it.
Except that you can't switch from a race and become as good as you were (if you are pro). You can manage to become as good in standart games, but you won't have enough experience against weird, old outdated builds from the opponent, etc, to become as good as you were. Especially in ZvZ/PvP
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I am prety sure that was a joke. (Idra's comments about terran)
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On March 17 2012 18:29 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 18:26 dani` wrote:On March 17 2012 17:49 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:[ ... ] extra: I will always play terran because I have self respect I hear what you are saying Beasty. However, that last comment is mind boggling to me. Last time I checked you are a pro and if you truly believe you can perform better with the other races I see no reason for you to stick with Terran. This 'self respect' argument is quite a common one among Zerg / Terran players who feel their race is super hard and weak but you and all those other (in my opinion, sorry about this) whiny players should realize that there is nothing that strengthens your argument as much as switching to P/Z and perform significantly better than with Terran. Not only does it help justify your opinion, it makes you feel awesome as you can say 'told ya so!' and, of course, your career will be more successful. So again, I don't see why you wouldn't at least try it. I tried all 3 races and I find terran fun to play unlike other two. Marine micro even its hard its really fun to play with it and same with doing multiple drops same time and playing mech or bio which are completely different, like playing other race in a way. Last comment was a joke
Alright fair enough. Well then it's time to pray for some love by Blizzard soon ^_^
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terran not beeing >50% winrate for the entire time up to release, still having the best results overall, and now Terran is somehow broken/underpowered?
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On March 17 2012 19:48 freetgy wrote:
terran not beeing >50% winrate for the entire time up to release, still having the best results overall, and now Terran is somehow broken/underpowered?
that's exactly what everyone here is saying, EXACTLY, glad you figured that one out /trollface.
(can we ban people like this who don't even read the thread and respond with ridiculous bullshit that has nothing to do with the actual topic and problem?)
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On March 17 2012 19:48 freetgy wrote:
terran not beeing >50% winrate for the entire time up to release, still having the best results overall, and now Terran is somehow broken/underpowered?
If you're not going to take the time to read the thread why bother posting something that is completely off base?
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On March 17 2012 19:59 carmon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 19:48 freetgy wrote:
terran not beeing >50% winrate for the entire time up to release, still having the best results overall, and now Terran is somehow broken/underpowered? If you're not going to take the time to read the thread why bother posting something that is completely off base?
who says i didn't read it all?
It always comes to the same argument, terran is "harder" to play.
Terran has good the superior dps units, therefore is by design forced to have to micro. else the game would be broken.
If people do not like this they need to change their race.
There is no point in arguing this fact. Differnet races have different strenghs and weaknesses and play fundamentally different. Thats why this game is so interesting.
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