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I am a diamond zerg and tried to smurf on a silver account as a terran. Easily multi-tasking multi drops to win the game for most matchups except TvP. It's just stupid. Not only do I have 1 second latency to begin with, difficult to do split, all the toss needs to do is storm. If he gets enough HTs, he can just keep storming as a way to defend/offend. It's so annoying.
Same as ZvP. It doesn't matter if you get a nice flank if he just do some forcefields and just sit there killing everything.
My win rate against P isn't low but damn, sometimes the game is so punishing on one mistake and takes away every advantage you ever had
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When a race gets nerfed over and over, people switch over. Also the uncalled for Terran hate doesn't help.
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dw, Terran will get buffed [or some other race nerfed] if things don't get back to normal in a few weeks.
I mean, Blizzard doesn't really react quickly when people say a race is imba or not
But if you say playing X race/class/talent tree is "not fun" then I think they jump right on it.
EDIT: also like the guy above said. Terran is micro intensive and therefore lag-sensitive. Almost everyone has some sort of lag, which i'm sure skews balance a bit, but certainly must be taken into account by the designer folks for the expansion, which I hope will come before the next next olympics [a fifty fifty chance]
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I switched from Terran because I was tired of having the upgrade advantage, better concave, and hitting decent emps only to get rolled by some guy whos only micro was casting two storms with the templar I didn't emp. The best pros obviously show us that a terran played to full potential is lethal, but there are fewer and fewer players capable of doing just that. You don't have to look further than NA and EU, no terrans have ever established a foothold as a top player on those servers the last year or so. In Korea aswell the top terrans are dwindeling. Terran is probably not underpowered, but its way harder to play than say protoss, and I don't think thats a good thing at all. The good thing though is that the new units in HotS looks neat, and hopefully they will make mech a solid strat in all matchups! Random fighting!
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They want to sell Hots so they wanna try to switch people over.
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On March 11 2012 12:01 SolidMoose wrote: When a race gets nerfed over and over, people switch over. Also the uncalled for Terran hate doesn't help.
This is hardly fair. Players are naturally biased towards the race they play because they know more about it than the other races. Also don't think Terran's are the only ones getting picked on, everyone does that to the other races when they're frustrated.
*edit* cleaned post up
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I think honestly the constant nerfs pushed lots of people away from terran especially when the other races learned to defend tons of timings anyways.
Terran is an all in race now unless your a korean sadly.
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On March 11 2012 12:11 Atlas247 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 12:01 SolidMoose wrote: When a race gets nerfed over and over, people switch over. Also the uncalled for Terran hate doesn't help. This is hardly fair. Players are naturally biased towards the race they play because they know more about it than the other races. Also don't think Terran's are the only ones getting picked on, everyone does that to the other races when they're frustrated. *edit* cleaned post up
in my experience terran players for the most part are pretty chill
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I am Zerg and I think Terran is by far the hardest to play race.
It is balanced around doing multiple drops, banshee harassment, great micro (Marinesplits, stutterstep...) etc. T is also less forgiving. If you miss a drop P can warp in stuff, Z usually has fast units, both have cannons/spine crawlers, Terran is fucked.
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Gonna have to learn a new way to do things is all.
For a long time my winrate against protoss dropped drastically, as I just couldnt win no matter what I did. Then, I tried some new things and I have had a better win ratio. I think terrans are going to have to do the same thing, because I just dont see bio being winnable in a longer game anymore. Colossus, storm and archons and zealots is simply too much AE and tanking capability for bio to handle.
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On March 11 2012 12:11 Atlas247 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 12:01 SolidMoose wrote: When a race gets nerfed over and over, people switch over. Also the uncalled for Terran hate doesn't help. This is hardly fair. Players are naturally biased towards the race they play because they know more about it than the other races. Also don't think Terran's are the only ones getting picked on, everyone does that to the other races when they're frustrated. *edit* cleaned post up I'm sorry but I have to disagree. While all races get hate, I've played all three races to about a platinum level before finally settling on Terran. While playing the amount of hate I get as Terran is overwhelming. On Forums I see a lot of the same thing as in chat channels.
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Yeah, looking at the race distribution from diamond onwards, zerg is actually the most popular, which I'm pretty sure was not the case several months ago. I wonder why zerg is so popular all of a sudden,
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NA servers have few big name Terran pros. We've got Drewbie, Demuslim...that's it really. The other terran pros are middle of the pack at best.
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Not suprising considering that Terrans late game is the weakest of all of the three races. Toss and Zerg's Late Game units hard counter Terrans T3 Units. The way that pro Terran players get around this is by relying on pure micro and positioning. If they play an opponent that has equal or better micro/positoning than them say, in a TvP or TvZ than the other race will almost always win as Terrans rely on low tier units such as marines/tanks/medivacs/and ghosts whereas a good zerg player that can and will split their zerglings and get a full surround before enganging will almost always beat a standard aggressive marine/tank player.
Personally, I think that BC's need their energy removed as do thors. BC's main attack should also do some sort of AOE damage simliar to toss and zergs T3 capital ships (maybe even make an additional building that costs 400/400 a requirement to research the BC's AOE upgrade). Right now Terran is a joke but thats to be expected when only two people are balancing a game.
I'm not trying to brag but even I think as a measly master league player and a gamer with a wide range of experience in multiple game genres that I could balance the game better than how Blizzard is doing right now.
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my samplesize for the last month: 141 (since february 15th.) Diamond Terran:
TvZ: 62 replays - 31-31 (50% winrate) TvP: 44 replays - 31-13 (70% winrate) TvT: 35 replays - 12-23 (34% winrate) -.-
now iam interested how many games there are for the last 6 months ^.^ samplesize for the last 6 months: 1214
TvZ: 463 replays - 210-251-2 (45%) (don't remember those draws but meh^^) TvP: 424 replays - 251-173 (59%) TvT: 329 replays - 149-180 (45%)
this would be a much higher sample rate than presented in the OP, and it's still clear that there are much less terrans arround on the ladder. Just to silence people who are going "that's a small sample rate" ^.^ the reasons for that i guess were stated above already, the dated view on terran "imbaness", as well as the overall pretty complex macro system, are good reasons why people tend to move away from terran, also micro intesity and the most draining long mirrormatchup in the game, is what keeps people away i guess ^.^ but still, i would never switch my race ... just love terran too much <3
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On March 11 2012 12:14 NoctemSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 12:11 Atlas247 wrote:On March 11 2012 12:01 SolidMoose wrote: When a race gets nerfed over and over, people switch over. Also the uncalled for Terran hate doesn't help. This is hardly fair. Players are naturally biased towards the race they play because they know more about it than the other races. Also don't think Terran's are the only ones getting picked on, everyone does that to the other races when they're frustrated. *edit* cleaned post up I'm sorry but I have to disagree. While all races get hate, I've played all three races to about a platinum level before finally settling on Terran. While playing the amount of hate I get as Terran is overwhelming. On Forums I see a lot of the same thing as in chat channels.
Playing experiences may vary from player to player...
I played terran to a plat level went protoss to diamond (mmr playing masters) currently in the process of switching to zerg.
I found i got hate roughly the same amount as terran as i did protoss. As protoss roughly everything you do gets classed as "cheese" ... as terran almost everything i did got called "imbalanced". I'd say the BM quota on the ladder is equal to each race .
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On March 11 2012 12:15 KevinIX wrote: NA servers have few big name Terran pros. We've got Drewbie, Demuslim...that's it really. The other terran pros are middle of the pack at best.
it's not like NA server only watchs NA players o:!
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Another balance whine thread, poorly disguised. Much like McCarthy, if you say something enough times, regardless of how true it is, people see it as truth. Look, Terran are disappearing from the ladder, do you see my cherry picked stats that I pulled from SC ranks. Sure Terrans are doing fine in Korea, always rank highly in the GSL, but that does not matter. What matters is that Grandmasters does not have a perfect 33/33/33 split.
Seriously, I am so tired of these threads. It is just a rehash of everything that was said before.
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Why does Blizzard just use different MMR's for every matchup...
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On March 11 2012 12:23 Plansix wrote: Another balance whine thread, poorly disguised. Much like McCarthy, if you say something enough times, regardless of how true it is, people see it as truth. Look, Terran are disappearing from the ladder, do you see my cherry picked stats that I pulled from SC ranks. Sure Terrans are doing fine in Korea, always rank highly in the GSL, but that does not matter. What matters is that Grandmasters does not have a perfect 33/33/33 split.
Seriously, I am so tired of these threads. It is just a rehash of everything that was said before. I never ONCE said that I thought Terran was the weakest, I said it was the least played. If you're not going to actually read a post all of the way through you have no business posting.
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