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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 02:26:16
March 11 2012 02:25 GMT
#21
Personally I don't see too many Terrans either.
When I've actually played in the past couple months (Protoss diamond here), the most common MU for me is PvZ, and I REALLY hate that one. :/ lol. I wish I played against more Terrans. I played Terran in BW, although the games are pretty different, I feel like I have a better understanding of handling Terran players than Zerg lol .
TrojanSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States82 Posts
March 11 2012 02:26 GMT
#22
I'm still here.
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
March 11 2012 02:26 GMT
#23
Simple, all the Diamon Terran are now in Masters!!!
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
March 11 2012 02:26 GMT
#24
Well i got some stats from high masters/gm from EU server since 1.1.2012
Protoss account:
Total games 730
- 317 PvP (43%)
- 246 PvZ (34%)
- 167 PvT (23%)

Terran account:
Total games 1157
- 461 TvP (40%)
- 375 TvZ (32%)
- 321 TvT(28%)

As you can see there are less terrans in highmasters/gm. And my protoss account is ~top50-100 gm and my terran is rank100-200 master(sc2ranks, eu), which means i play higher level opponents with my protoss account, so there are more protoss and zergs in top top top of the ladder.

Yes, i play a lot.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 11 2012 02:27 GMT
#25
Sample size 15 too small .
NoctemSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States771 Posts
March 11 2012 02:28 GMT
#26
On March 11 2012 11:26 striderxxx wrote:
Simple, all the Diamon Terran are now in Masters!!!

But this argument is invalid because in Masters, Terran is the lowest population as well.
Refer to the link at the bottom of the OP.
http://www.twitch.tv/noctemsc <--Most epic fun times
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
March 11 2012 02:29 GMT
#27
Yea I've noticed i play TONS of toss players recently. Barely any terran players D: Guess the race got too hard for NA...and toss is super easy to play lol
scarper65
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1560 Posts
March 11 2012 02:30 GMT
#28
We keep getting nerfed.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
March 11 2012 02:30 GMT
#29
On March 11 2012 11:18 DGenerate wrote:
You should come back here when you have a sample of at least 100 before this discussion can continue imo.

If I recall correctly from stats, once it passes N=30 you're pretty well fine because your distribution more and more resembles the normal curve.
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
March 11 2012 02:31 GMT
#30
Dark times for Terrans now, lategame is nothing to look forward to.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
March 11 2012 02:32 GMT
#31
Around the mid levels of skill (check the SC2Ranks stats for gold through diamond) I think Terran is the most difficult race to play. It's harder to split marines than it is to a-move banelings, for example. Stutter stepping a marauder/marine force certainly takes more APM than having chargelots automatically pursue them.

Once players get the skills to macro and micro at the same time, Terran win rates, and thus their representation, pick back up.

I don't think it's necessarily imbalanced, just that it's hard to make the game equally difficult for all races at all skill levels.

NoctemSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States771 Posts
March 11 2012 02:34 GMT
#32
On March 11 2012 11:32 Gheed wrote:
Around the mid levels of skill (check the SC2Ranks stats for gold through diamond) I think Terran is the most difficult race to play. It's harder to split marines than it is to a-move banelings, for example. Stutter stepping a marauder/marine force certainly takes more APM than having chargelots automatically pursue them.

Once players get the skills to macro and micro at the same time, Terran win rates, and thus their representation, pick back up.

I don't think it's necessarily imbalanced, just that it's hard to make the game equally difficult for all races at all skill levels.



I'm not really stating I think Terran is too weak per say overall.
I added the sc2ranks link and it clearly shows Terran is the lowest played race in anything Gold through GM now.
I'm concerned on the ratio shifts, I certainly do not want to play 60% of my games as TvPs but that's just me.

On a side note, I love your blogs.
http://www.twitch.tv/noctemsc <--Most epic fun times
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
March 11 2012 02:35 GMT
#33
They're all in grandmasters.
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
Heweree
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 02:35:48
March 11 2012 02:35 GMT
#34
Ok so Protoss are fine against terrans, zergs are fine against terran, terrans are fine against terrans xD
NoctemSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States771 Posts
March 11 2012 02:36 GMT
#35
On March 11 2012 11:35 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
They're all in grandmasters.

Again, if you're not going to actually read the evidence I've posted or take 5 seconds out of your day to click the link then why even bother responding to a post you don't actually know anything about?
http://www.twitch.tv/noctemsc <--Most epic fun times
RUS RO DAH!!!
Profile Joined February 2012
United States277 Posts
March 11 2012 02:37 GMT
#36
Terran got too hard for me so I stopped playing. I just watch tournaments now.
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
March 11 2012 02:38 GMT
#37
We keep getting nerfed, TvP is a little hard late game and some people don't like TvT for how long it is compare to PvP or ZvZ. I'm guessing that's some of the reasons.
Jyros
Profile Joined September 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 01:28:02
March 11 2012 02:39 GMT
#38
I think it was a case where Terran, at the beginning of the game, were the easiest to figure out how to play. They became the strongest, simply because people figured out how to play them first, and so they were nerfed to account for that. However, they were being nerfed at the same time other races figured out how to play, so it ended up 'uneven' for Terrans right now.

EDIT: Ah well, after having been sucked into BW for the last three months (trying to catch up on great games), I've been reading that it's not uncommon for years of inbalance in matchups before they are fixed. Maybe SC2 is just going through one of those?
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
March 11 2012 02:42 GMT
#39
On March 11 2012 11:34 NoctemSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 11:32 Gheed wrote:
Around the mid levels of skill (check the SC2Ranks stats for gold through diamond) I think Terran is the most difficult race to play. It's harder to split marines than it is to a-move banelings, for example. Stutter stepping a marauder/marine force certainly takes more APM than having chargelots automatically pursue them.

Once players get the skills to macro and micro at the same time, Terran win rates, and thus their representation, pick back up.

I don't think it's necessarily imbalanced, just that it's hard to make the game equally difficult for all races at all skill levels.



I'm not really stating I think Terran is too weak per say overall.
I added the sc2ranks link and it clearly shows Terran is the lowest played race in anything Gold through GM now.
I'm concerned on the ratio shifts, I certainly do not want to play 60% of my games as TvPs but that's just me.

On a side note, I love your blogs.


I would say to look at KR master league and GM league for the next step in skill progression after NA/EU GM league. In Korea, terrans are a bit overrepresented in master and about even in GM.

At the end of the day, people aren't playing terran because they don't want to play terran. Since there were tons of terran in 2010, and far less now, you could say either A: people got bored of playing terran and switched or B: they switched to a race they feel is better.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 02:44:59
March 11 2012 02:42 GMT
#40
On March 11 2012 11:23 NoctemSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 11:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
4 Major Terran streams right now!

This is true, however I'm not only referring to at a professional level as I do not make a habit of playing at a pro level
(or I'm just bad)

Also on a sidenote, I think you've replied to every thread I've ever been in.


He replies to almost every thread, he's got over 18,000 posts.

Terran is a very multi-tasking intensive race, it requires excellent macro-mechanics and excellent micro simultaneously in order to really utilize the race well. Protoss has an easier time with macro (I play protoss, it's a little bit easier for us than it is for terrans, although not much), and zerg has a much easier time with micro (unless you're talking early game zvz). The lower your APM the harder it is to really play terran well, while Protoss and Zerg can do okay with lower APM (although APM helps them quite a bit too).
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
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