EPTreach your skill ceiling = give the game up? - Page 8
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sotaporo
Finland195 Posts
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BenBuford
Denmark307 Posts
On March 10 2012 22:09 DarQraven wrote: Starcraft players are so obsessed with this idea of improving that you've apparently forgotten why you play the game/games in the first place. I play solely for the sake of improvement. I don't really care about winning or having fun. Sure, the goal is to eventually win more, but it's when I can identify improvements in my play, or enter a new league on ladder, that I get my kicks and my small victories. This is what motivates me to keep playing. Not individual game wins or "having fun". | ||
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blixel
United States17 Posts
Choose your analogy. Basketball, golf, whatever. Not everyone can be Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. The vast majority (99.99% of the population) have to be content to be casual Sunday afternoon golfers. I live with the fact that I have no musical talent. Try as I might, I just don't have the innate talent to pick up a guitar and strum out my favorite songs. This fact is made abundantly clear to me when I see kids as young as 7 or 8 years old playing like rock gods having no formal training. I don't know what your personal limit is, but I can assure you that you do have one. | ||
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RemnantToe
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Nivoh
Norway259 Posts
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On March 11 2012 00:19 blixel wrote: I'm surprised to see so many people echoing this idea that there is no such thing as individual skill limit. I find that pretty ridiculous. If there were no such thing as individual skill limits, then everyone who played SC2 would be as good as [name your favorite pro player here]. And if everyone were that good, then the game would be completely pointless. (It would be like playing tic-tac-toe. Everyone would know how to cause a draw in every single match regardless of who went first.) Choose your analogy. Basketball, golf, whatever. Not everyone can be Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. The vast majority (99.99% of the population) have to be content to be casual Sunday afternoon golfers. I live with the fact that I have no musical talent. Try as I might, I just don't have the innate talent to pick up a guitar and strum out my favorite songs. This fact is made abundantly clear to me when I see kids as young as 7 or 8 years old playing like rock gods having no formal training. I don't know what your personal limit is, but I can assure you that you do have one. This, a thousand times. Good work ethics are great and all, but it's simply naive to assume that everyone could be a Boxer, NaDa or Jaedong. It's an insult to decades of biological and psychological research. This is real life, not a Disney movie. | ||
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Dujek
United Kingdom276 Posts
On March 11 2012 00:26 DarQraven wrote: This, a thousand times. Good work ethics are great and all, but it's simply naive to assume that everyone could be a Boxer, NaDa or Jaedong. It's an insult to decades of biological and psychological research. Yes, not everyone has the potential to be a top pro. But to imply that there are gold players out there with no chance of improving is equally ridiculous. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
I'm not saying we should bleed on our keyboards--but we have to accept that we will eventually reach a mechanical barrier where it is our own physical limitations that hold us back. When it feels like our brain has more ideas and decisions than our hands can produce. This barrier is the true area of the game where the advice "work on your mechanics" is the most appropriate. Anyone can run--but it takes dedication to be an Olympic runner, it takes training to do a marathon, etc... Most players, myself included, eventually max out on our hand brain relationship. That's when we go in and practice the tiniest aspects of the game and only focus on that. It took me a week to build a refinery on 13 supply. It took me a month to prevent a consistent supply block on 52 supply. All these tiny moments that "work for the most part" all takes a long time to perfect mechanically. There isn't a skill ceiling, there is a will ceiling. How much more of your time in a day are you willing to spend not playing a video game and simply training Hand motion? Training scout timings? Training apm accuracy? Etc... | ||
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blixel
United States17 Posts
On March 11 2012 00:33 Dujek wrote: Yes, not everyone has the potential to be a top pro. But to imply that there are gold players out there with no chance of improving is equally ridiculous. It's not ridiculous. Gold league exists for a reason. If EVERYONE could get out of Gold league, then the ranking system would be inherently broken. But it's not broken, it's relativistic. So there will always be a group of people in Gold. And some of them are permanently stuck there because their relative skill will never increase enough to get them into Platinum. They may improve, but unfortunately other people improve too. Add to that the fact that new people buy the game, have a knack for it, and improve at a much faster rate than other people who have played for months or years. So not only is it NOT ridiculous to say that some people are stuck in Gold (or Platinum or whatever), but I would even go as far as to say it's possible (perhaps even probable) that some of those people are more likely to go DOWN in rank even though they are getting better at the game over time. (They just aren't improving as fast as everyone else.) | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On March 10 2012 23:24 BenBuford wrote: I play solely for the sake of improvement. I don't really care about winning or having fun. Sure, the goal is to eventually win more, but it's when I can identify improvements in my play, or enter a new league on ladder, that I get my kicks and my small victories. This is what motivates me to keep playing. Not individual game wins or "having fun". You voluntarily spend your free time on something you're not having fun with? What? | ||
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mazqo
Finland368 Posts
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
So whats it gona be ? What I hear your post is your frustration of not getting better. Maybe you should give up and lean back for some weeks and enjoy the game without the context of getting better and needing to win or stop playing at all for some weeks. The most important thing is to enjoy what you are doing and if you do not enjoy it you cant really get better. Find out how you enjoy to play or if you enjoy it and you will know what todo. | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
Even on an individual level. Anyone has the ability to become MC or MKP if they pour years and years of hard, dedicated training and ironstead heart into this game. Whoever told you that there is has significantly tainted your potential and esteem. | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On March 11 2012 01:50 TheTurk wrote: There is no "skill ceiling" that anyone can feasibly reach. Even on an individual level. Anyone has the ability to become MC or MKP if they pour years and years of hard, dedicated training and ironstead heart into this game. Whoever told you that there is has significantly tainted your potential and esteem. I guess all those Koreans playing for 8 hours a day for years and not even getting into Code A must not be dedicated enough. Believing in yourself is one thing, but this is just *ridiculous*. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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Korste
United States64 Posts
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ForgottenOne
Romania236 Posts
But to kinda answer the question: + Show Spoiler + I'm close to the skill ceiling in Software Development (equivalent to top Korean Pros) and I feel like giving up to pursue something challenging again; I think Poker. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
if you play to ahve fun then keep on having fun | ||
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