EPTreach your skill ceiling = give the game up? - Page 9
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KJSharp
United States84 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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Competent
United States406 Posts
tl;dr A: You aren't practicing/working at the games as hard as you should/say you are. B: You have a learning disability/brain defect. In my opinion, take about a month break, play an FPS or RPG and come back to RTS. It should flush some bad habits you have. It should also refresh your mind so you don't get burnt out. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Sacrilege
United States199 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:48 glyoArtOfWar wrote: you destroy the floor and lay a new foundation This! If you're not improving, it's not something due to progressing and other skills attained while getting better, if you're not progressing it means that you need to look back at the basics and see what might be wrong and where you can fix, polish and fine tune your already known skills. | ||
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Gyro_SC2
Canada540 Posts
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
If I really felt like I could make 0 progress, then yeah, I'd quit. But I doubt that is possible. The game is just too complex to hit a literal skill ceiling. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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Rockztar
Denmark210 Posts
I've noticed this with myself as well as with others. It seems people think they've reached their skill ceiling due to a stale learning curve, but in my own case this was broken by small "revelations" almost that would improve my play more and more. Things such as when I was in gold, and started thinking "Wow bunkers are actually pretty good, and let me do a lot of stuff quicker at a very low price." xD. I think you should start looking for seemingly small things that would improve your play a ton. I'm up for checking your replays for you if you need help just pm me, I'm high master's terran, but guess I can still give advice on protoss? Anyways if you don't decide to take me up on my offer I still wish ya good luck. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
On March 10 2012 13:02 Xarow wrote: until you're using 100% of your brain, you haven't reached your skill ceiling. this applies to everything. Which is impossible because its not even possible to use 100% of your brain. | ||
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Shiori
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
Reaching a skill ceilling means you will start losing more and eventually get demoted. If you stay the same rank, it means your improving rate is close to the average player improving rate, if your rank increases, it means you're learning faster than most people. | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
On March 11 2012 02:52 Adonminus wrote: You don't reach a skill ceilling ever. For example if you're rank 50 in master and you always stay rank 50 even though you play each day. You might think you don't advance, however that's a huge mistake. Each day every player in starcraft becomes better, and being rank 50 in season 6 in master isn't the same skill as being rank 50 in season 1 in masters. Reaching a skill ceilling means you will start losing more and eventually get demoted. If you stay the same rank, it means your improving rate is close to the average player improving rate, if your rank increases, it means you're learning faster than most people. EXACTLY, if your the same rank it doesn't mean your not improving it just means your not improving faster then anyone else... | ||
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On March 11 2012 02:22 Competent wrote: My honest opinion. If you have been playing (and trying hard) for a year and a half with no improvement, then I think your brain is under developed. I don't say that to be mean, but if you look at the facts your brain should have better learning capabilities than that. I truly think your brain isn't up to par with the average. I play on and off with no previous RTS background. I watch some pro streams from time to time and watch my replays. I play about 2 hours a week and watch replays/streams 1 hour a week. I would play more but my busy work/school schedule stops that. I was high diamond when the game was released. I was high masters when that was created. And I am high masters at the moment. If I could dump 5-10 more hours into the game a week there isn't a doubt in my mind that I couldn't be GM. tl;dr A: You aren't practicing/working at the games as hard as you should/say you are. B: You have a learning disability/brain defect. Sure. If people can accept that there's extra gifted people who can perform above par without as much practice, there must be anti-gifted people who can't hit the same levels. I wouldn't call it a brain defect as such, though technically it would be a mild one. | ||
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Sophron
Australia21 Posts
On March 11 2012 02:22 Competent wrote: My honest opinion. If you have been playing (and trying hard) for a year and a half with no improvement, then I think your brain is under developed. I don't say that to be mean, but if you look at the facts your brain should have better learning capabilities than that. I truly think your brain isn't up to par with the average. I play on and off with no previous RTS background. I watch some pro streams from time to time and watch my replays. I play about 2 hours a week and watch replays/streams 1 hour a week. I would play more but my busy work/school schedule stops that. I was high diamond when the game was released. I was high masters when that was created. And I am high masters at the moment. If I could dump 5-10 more hours into the game a week there isn't a doubt in my mind that I couldn't be GM. tl;dr A: You aren't practicing/working at the games as hard as you should/say you are. B: You have a learning disability/brain defect. In my opinion, take about a month break, play an FPS or RPG and come back to RTS. It should flush some bad habits you have. It should also refresh your mind so you don't get burnt out. This post is hilarious. But I mean, fair point. You probably have a learning disability if you can't be good at Starcraft, which is after all a fairly easy task to learn. Anyway, the rest of the post is mostly correct. I don't think it's possible to be practicing/training -correctly- and not improve at all over a year and a half. Mindlessly playing games and watching shows can only get you so far, and isn't platinum/diamond about where pure macro stops promoting you? I don't think your own personal skill ceiling comes into it. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
 You'll only stop progressing if you either, a) don't train or b) train wrong (getting bad habits etc). Everyone have a talent, that's a given but talent only makes it easier to progress, saying anything else is just an excuse from quitters, sorry. | ||
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IrOnKaL
United States340 Posts
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Mario1209
United States1077 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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wajd
240 Posts
About hiring a teacher/coach. I can't afford it. Simple as that. Any masters/GM/pro's here care to coach me for free? Doubt it. Even when I find a coach/master that I played and think they're style of play matches my own so they might be able to help me, they don't. I just look at any GM/pro player, and ask: Why are they so much better than me? I'm pretty sure we are playing the same game. Am not fast enough? Maybe high APM does equal skill. Do I not have enough gaming background to be as good as them? Starcraft 1-2, is the only computer/video game I play. Am I not smart enough? Do I need a higher IQ? or is being really good at Starcraft just a God-given talent that I don't have? Obviously, practice doesn't mean anything. I feel like I've been practicing forever, with nothing to show for it in relation to my goals. On March 10 2012 23:06 TheSubtleArt wrote: Skill ceilings for certain people might exist but it really shouldn't be at platinum. You're probably approaching the game wrong. Decent mechanics, an effective hotkey set up, and very basic knowledge of build orders should be more than enough to land you in high diamond / low masters. I think you've described me perfectly. But, all that is clearly not enough to get even into low diamond. Two months ago the ladder started matching me up against diamonds. I thought I was on my way. Now? No diamond opponents, and I'm being matched up against golds, and losing. And thanks for all for the responses, and trying to help. | ||
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