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KJSharp
Profile Joined May 2011
United States84 Posts
March 10 2012 17:10 GMT
#161
You gotta just realize you've hit your ceiling and play the game for fun. It is that simple. You should never give up looking at different aspects of your game to improve, but you shouldn't let it consume you.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
March 10 2012 17:13 GMT
#162
Well take a break from the game whenever u feel like u hit a ceiling. Sometimes, we fixate too much on certain things and missed out on obvious things that we could have improved on.
Competent
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 17:24:13
March 10 2012 17:22 GMT
#163
My honest opinion. If you have been playing (and trying hard) for a year and a half with no improvement, then I think your brain is under developed. I don't say that to be mean, but if you look at the facts your brain should have better learning capabilities than that. I truly think your brain isn't up to par with the average. I play on and off with no previous RTS background. I watch some pro streams from time to time and watch my replays. I play about 2 hours a week and watch replays/streams 1 hour a week. I would play more but my busy work/school schedule stops that. I was high diamond when the game was released. I was high masters when that was created. And I am high masters at the moment. If I could dump 5-10 more hours into the game a week there isn't a doubt in my mind that I couldn't be GM.

tl;dr

A: You aren't practicing/working at the games as hard as you should/say you are.
B: You have a learning disability/brain defect.


In my opinion, take about a month break, play an FPS or RPG and come back to RTS. It should flush some bad habits you have. It should also refresh your mind so you don't get burnt out.

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Sacrilege
Profile Joined December 2011
United States199 Posts
March 10 2012 17:24 GMT
#164
On March 10 2012 12:48 glyoArtOfWar wrote:
you destroy the floor and lay a new foundation


This! If you're not improving, it's not something due to progressing and other skills attained while getting better, if you're not progressing it means that you need to look back at the basics and see what might be wrong and where you can fix, polish and fine tune your already known skills.
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Gyro_SC2
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
March 10 2012 17:26 GMT
#165
Race switch
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
March 10 2012 17:29 GMT
#166
I dunno, I have a hard time believing in hitting a ceiling. Can't I always get at least somewhat better? I think so. Of course, my goal has never been to be a pro-gamer, but I think you can always make some improvements. How do you know you really hit a ceiling? Your progress probably just slowed, that's all. It's not going to stay linear forever.

If I really felt like I could make 0 progress, then yeah, I'd quit. But I doubt that is possible. The game is just too complex to hit a literal skill ceiling.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
March 10 2012 17:32 GMT
#167
uhh- play the game for fun dude... like the rest of us
Long live the Boss Toss!
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
March 10 2012 17:35 GMT
#168
You take advice from the US government
Rockztar
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark210 Posts
March 10 2012 17:43 GMT
#169
I think everybody has a lot of potential to go far since this is a game based hugely on using correct theory in practice, which is then limited by your mechanics. The theory in the game can be learned relatively fast imo. I think a lot of people just mentally block themselves, and start telling themselves they can't get better, and hence don't focus on improving instead. :p
I've noticed this with myself as well as with others. It seems people think they've reached their skill ceiling due to a stale learning curve, but in my own case this was broken by small "revelations" almost that would improve my play more and more. Things such as when I was in gold, and started thinking "Wow bunkers are actually pretty good, and let me do a lot of stuff quicker at a very low price." xD. I think you should start looking for seemingly small things that would improve your play a ton. I'm up for checking your replays for you if you need help just pm me, I'm high master's terran, but guess I can still give advice on protoss? Anyways if you don't decide to take me up on my offer I still wish ya good luck.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
March 10 2012 17:48 GMT
#170
On March 10 2012 13:02 Xarow wrote:
until you're using 100% of your brain, you haven't reached your skill ceiling.

this applies to everything.


Which is impossible because its not even possible to use 100% of your brain.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
March 10 2012 17:52 GMT
#171
What does skill ceiling even mean? Those pro players? They don't have access to any secret knowledge or hand techniques that you don't. They just happened to find them. Even the people who can crunch 10 digit 13th roots in their heads in fractions of a second are quick to say that the methods they use are accessible to everyone. Don't give up.
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
March 10 2012 17:52 GMT
#172
You don't reach a skill ceilling ever. For example if you're rank 50 in master and you always stay rank 50 even though you play each day. You might think you don't advance, however that's a huge mistake. Each day every player in starcraft becomes better, and being rank 50 in season 6 in master isn't the same skill as being rank 50 in season 1 in masters.

Reaching a skill ceilling means you will start losing more and eventually get demoted. If you stay the same rank, it means your improving rate is close to the average player improving rate, if your rank increases, it means you're learning faster than most people.
Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
March 10 2012 17:54 GMT
#173
On March 11 2012 02:52 Adonminus wrote:
You don't reach a skill ceilling ever. For example if you're rank 50 in master and you always stay rank 50 even though you play each day. You might think you don't advance, however that's a huge mistake. Each day every player in starcraft becomes better, and being rank 50 in season 6 in master isn't the same skill as being rank 50 in season 1 in masters.

Reaching a skill ceilling means you will start losing more and eventually get demoted. If you stay the same rank, it means your improving rate is close to the average player improving rate, if your rank increases, it means you're learning faster than most people.


EXACTLY, if your the same rank it doesn't mean your not improving it just means your not improving faster then anyone else...
xO gaming owner
Monkeyballs25
Profile Joined October 2010
531 Posts
March 10 2012 17:54 GMT
#174
On March 11 2012 02:22 Competent wrote:
My honest opinion. If you have been playing (and trying hard) for a year and a half with no improvement, then I think your brain is under developed. I don't say that to be mean, but if you look at the facts your brain should have better learning capabilities than that. I truly think your brain isn't up to par with the average. I play on and off with no previous RTS background. I watch some pro streams from time to time and watch my replays. I play about 2 hours a week and watch replays/streams 1 hour a week. I would play more but my busy work/school schedule stops that. I was high diamond when the game was released. I was high masters when that was created. And I am high masters at the moment. If I could dump 5-10 more hours into the game a week there isn't a doubt in my mind that I couldn't be GM.

tl;dr

A: You aren't practicing/working at the games as hard as you should/say you are.
B: You have a learning disability/brain defect.


Sure. If people can accept that there's extra gifted people who can perform above par without as much practice, there must be anti-gifted people who can't hit the same levels. I wouldn't call it a brain defect as such, though technically it would be a mild one.
Sophron
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia21 Posts
March 10 2012 18:00 GMT
#175
On March 11 2012 02:22 Competent wrote:
My honest opinion. If you have been playing (and trying hard) for a year and a half with no improvement, then I think your brain is under developed. I don't say that to be mean, but if you look at the facts your brain should have better learning capabilities than that. I truly think your brain isn't up to par with the average. I play on and off with no previous RTS background. I watch some pro streams from time to time and watch my replays. I play about 2 hours a week and watch replays/streams 1 hour a week. I would play more but my busy work/school schedule stops that. I was high diamond when the game was released. I was high masters when that was created. And I am high masters at the moment. If I could dump 5-10 more hours into the game a week there isn't a doubt in my mind that I couldn't be GM.

tl;dr

A: You aren't practicing/working at the games as hard as you should/say you are.
B: You have a learning disability/brain defect.


In my opinion, take about a month break, play an FPS or RPG and come back to RTS. It should flush some bad habits you have. It should also refresh your mind so you don't get burnt out.



This post is hilarious.

But I mean, fair point. You probably have a learning disability if you can't be good at Starcraft, which is after all a fairly easy task to learn.

Anyway, the rest of the post is mostly correct. I don't think it's possible to be practicing/training -correctly- and not improve at all over a year and a half. Mindlessly playing games and watching shows can only get you so far, and isn't platinum/diamond about where pure macro stops promoting you? I don't think your own personal skill ceiling comes into it.
This, too, shall pass.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
March 10 2012 18:02 GMT
#176
Hitting a skill ceiling on a ~2 year old game? Don't make me laugh, I've spend more years than you can possible have played Starcraft 2 on perfecting a single shot in badminton.

You'll only stop progressing if you either, a) don't train or b) train wrong (getting bad habits etc). Everyone have a talent, that's a given but talent only makes it easier to progress, saying anything else is just an excuse from quitters, sorry.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
IrOnKaL
Profile Joined June 2011
United States340 Posts
March 10 2012 18:02 GMT
#177
I got very high in masters and lost much interest after not seeing many more improvements. Now I just smurf Diamond terran and do funny builds.
Mario1209
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1077 Posts
March 10 2012 18:09 GMT
#178
there's really no such thing as a skill ceiling imho. as long as you put in the time, you will slowly but surely improve. it took me 6 seasons to get masters, started in bronze in season one.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
March 10 2012 18:13 GMT
#179
Its funny how mindblowingly correct and to the point the first response is.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
March 10 2012 18:22 GMT
#180
It's possible that I've reached a plateau, but its always been like that. Does a plateau last over year, especially when you play and live for the game as much as one can? Maybe I'll reach diamond, but I can be honest with myself. Making it to Master seems like this impossible goal that no matter what I do, I will never get there.

About hiring a teacher/coach. I can't afford it. Simple as that. Any masters/GM/pro's here care to coach me for free? Doubt it. Even when I find a coach/master that I played and think they're style of play matches my own so they might be able to help me, they don't.

I just look at any GM/pro player, and ask: Why are they so much better than me? I'm pretty sure we are playing the same game. Am not fast enough? Maybe high APM does equal skill. Do I not have enough gaming background to be as good as them? Starcraft 1-2, is the only computer/video game I play. Am I not smart enough? Do I need a higher IQ? or is being really good at Starcraft just a God-given talent that I don't have? Obviously, practice doesn't mean anything. I feel like I've been practicing forever, with nothing to show for it in relation to my goals.

On March 10 2012 23:06 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Skill ceilings for certain people might exist but it really shouldn't be at platinum. You're probably approaching the game wrong. Decent mechanics, an effective hotkey set up, and very basic knowledge of build orders should be more than enough to land you in high diamond / low masters.


I think you've described me perfectly. But, all that is clearly not enough to get even into low diamond. Two months ago the ladder started matching me up against diamonds. I thought I was on my way. Now? No diamond opponents, and I'm being matched up against golds, and losing.

And thanks for all for the responses, and trying to help.
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