EPTreach your skill ceiling = give the game up? - Page 10
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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BenBuford
Denmark307 Posts
On March 11 2012 01:29 Canas wrote: You voluntarily spend your free time on something you're not having fun with? What? Yes, I do. I know it can be hard for some people to understand that one might find gratification in other things than "fun". I like to witness results, from putting in hard work/analysis/effort. More rewarding to me personally. I'm not playing to kill time, if that is what you mean. I actually dont have that much time to play --> "I usually don't play... But when I do, it's not for fun". | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
On March 11 2012 02:48 TBone- wrote: Which is impossible because its not even possible to use 100% of your brain. You are using 100% of your brain function stop believing bullshit stories on the internets. | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
Practice it and you'll get a bit better at said thing. Now repeat untill you can't find anything, + Show Spoiler + as in never You are just experiencing some kind of a mental block. Nothing you are doing is perfect (or even close to) if you're in plat. If it was you'd get promotoed off that one thing unless you are bronze level in everything else. | ||
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Demonaz
United Kingdom1219 Posts
But anyway if you feel like you've done everything possible to improve I'd recommend switching race, trolling 4v4 for a few days before going back to 1v1, playing a different online game even for a while. Anything to get out of the current mindset and return fresh. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
I think I'm done with SC2, gonna play LoL now | ||
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Selkie
United States530 Posts
Is there a skill ceiling as pertains to time? Yes, someone who never plays to improve will not get better, thus, they've "hit a ceiling"- is it an unsurpassable barrier? No. With focused effort on improving, players will improve. | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
You just need to learn better, in a more efficent way. To learn how there is the internet and books on the subject. On March 11 2012 03:36 Ryps wrote: You are using 100% of your brain function stop believing bullshit stories on the internets. Yes we do, but not conciously. Conciously human beings on average use about 10% only. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:45 wajd wrote: So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? When you've tried everything to get better, meaning - watching your own replays, downloading replays, practicing every day, laddering, watching streams, watching live events, reading strategy threads, trying to seek coaching when you can't afford it, asking questions whenever you can... I mean everything. And none of it works. When you have been the same rank for a year and half. When you join a custom game, and you end up playing a master, and the game isn't even remotely close. (im a protoss plat) When you want to be serous with this game and it just isn't happening. Do you have to just suck it up and tell yourself to give up this dream, and stop playing? Accept the fact that this game is so easy for alot of people, but I'm not one of them. So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? A couple of suggestions to you 1) Have someone other then you look at your replays, if you are stuck in plat and are analyzing your own replays obviously there must be something wrong with how you are perceiving your mistakes. Example: As a zerg player I could look at one engagement where I lost a ton of stuff because I engaged at a poor angle or something of that nature. However, rather then looking at that sole engagment (especially at plat level) what else could I be looking at that may have lead up to that event going so badly? - Did I macro properly? meaning did I hit my injects on time, did I take bases fast enough, did I build enough drones. - Did I scout properly? Was I blind at some point to my opponents composition and did I miss a scout timing I should of hit? If I messed up a lot some where earlier in the game, then my focus is in the wrong place looking at one bad engagement where I lost a bunch of stuff. Prior to D/M/GM and to even quite a bit of an extent D and Low M mechanics mean 10x more than strategy. If your mechanics are bad, odds are that you will lose much more often even with sound strategy. 2) Examine how you are 'practicing', and decide if you need to look at other avenues of practice. - For some people ladder and just playing helps them improve - For some people playing scenario style custom maps helps them improve - For others playing against a friend and talking about the games they play vs. one another helps them improve List goes on but there is not 1 catch all to improving. 3) Only once all else has failed should you start to consider the possibility that you are as far as you can get based on the time you can put in to the game. Then you have to ask yourself the question is the game still 'fun' if you can't dedicate the time to progress further. - if yes, then continue to play and try to shift your mental focus away from improvement and just enjoy yourself. - if no, then you should consider playing far less and focusing your free time towards something more enjoyable. Just a few suggestions, there is no catch all to any game. If you are not having fun because you can't be one of 200 people out of 100's of thousands on a single server who reach GM (something like .2% of total server pop), then maybe SCII isn't for you. | ||
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FuGGu
United States176 Posts
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On March 11 2012 03:22 wajd wrote: I just look at any GM/pro player, and ask: Why are they so much better than me? I'm pretty sure we are playing the same game. Am not fast enough? Maybe high APM does equal skill. Do I not have enough gaming background to be as good as them? Starcraft 1-2, is the only computer/video game I play. Am I not smart enough? Do I need a higher IQ? or is being really good at Starcraft just a God-given talent that I don't have? Only you can really answer that. Starcraft basically boils down to 1) Read information off screen and from sound effects 2)Process information 3) Come up with a response on the spot, or retrieve one from memory 4 )Execute response using mouse and keyboard 5) Repeat. 1)Are you not noticing enemy drops/army movement on minimap, or the fact that you're about to get supply blocked? Perception problem. 2) Are you frequently pausing because you're too busy processing information? Cognitive problem. 3) Are you too slow to think about what to do next in response to a rehearsed situation? Its a memory recall problem. Too slow to come up with a solution to a unique problem? Problem solving/critical thinking weakness. Edit : Also technically a cognitive problem. In fact 2 and 3 are probably the same thing more or less. 4) Do you misclick, or just not click fast enough to do the stuff you know needs to be done? Its a hand speed or hand-eye co-ordination problem. Most of those can be trained, though personally I find 2 and 3 very difficult. I'm not stupid, but I'm not good at thinking quickly in real life either, especially under pressure. 1 and 4 are probably easier to overcome with training. | ||
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Demonaz
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 11 2012 02:22 Competent wrote: My honest opinion. If you have been playing (and trying hard) for a year and a half with no improvement, then I think your brain is under developed. I don't say that to be mean, but if you look at the facts your brain should have better learning capabilities than that. I truly think your brain isn't up to par with the average. I play on and off with no previous RTS background. I watch some pro streams from time to time and watch my replays. I play about 2 hours a week and watch replays/streams 1 hour a week. I would play more but my busy work/school schedule stops that. I was high diamond when the game was released. I was high masters when that was created. And I am high masters at the moment. If I could dump 5-10 more hours into the game a week there isn't a doubt in my mind that I couldn't be GM. tl;dr A: You aren't practicing/working at the games as hard as you should/say you are. B: You have a learning disability/brain defect. In my opinion, take about a month break, play an FPS or RPG and come back to RTS. It should flush some bad habits you have. It should also refresh your mind so you don't get burnt out. haha this post is hilarious. Not GM in sc2? Must have brain defect! Its a tough game, getting to diamond even is an achievement in itself. Takes a lot of dedication to get to masters/GM, plus good co-ordination and quick thinking skills. Some people are naturally better at this than others. Doesn't mean they are stupid, people have different talents. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Have you tried really pinpointing where your games go wrong, and what you are doing wrong? Understanding is key here. Watch a progamer play, watch yourself play, and try to determine what your biggest shortcomings are. Work on fixing those. Maybe its mechanical, maybe its decisionmaking, maybe its just that you don't fundamentally understand how the game works - thats a big one imo, once you learn to properly read a game everything just starts falling into place. At its core, Starcraft is not a very complex game - at least not if you're not playing at the highest level possible. The solution to your problems might be as simple as just playing more aggressive/passive, macroing better, focusing on your micro when its important... But you just gotta figure it out yourself I guess. Edit: I see the OP has made many different threads on the issue.... Well, I'd say the problem is that you are too focused on "why am I not improving" and not "how can I improve". Just mindless repetition and looking for easy ways to improve (pro replays, coaching) will not help you if you are not willing to put some thought into it yourself. | ||
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emis
Estonia409 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:57 Utinni wrote: If I gave up on everything I wasn't perfect at... You'd be French. | ||
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Magic_Mike
United States542 Posts
Better hope you never want a career in E-sports. Racist. >  | ||
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Competent
United States406 Posts
On March 11 2012 03:56 Demonaz wrote: haha this post is hilarious. Not GM in sc2? Must have brain defect! Its a tough game, getting to diamond even is an achievement in itself. Takes a lot of dedication to get to masters/GM, plus good co-ordination and quick thinking skills. Some people are naturally better at this than others. Doesn't mean they are stupid, people have different talents. Call it what you want. If we have a continuum of people's ability to adapt and improve and it scales like so. Lots of practice, no improvement on the left and Lots of practice, lots of improvement on the right l-----------OP--------------------------------------Casual M/GM------------------------------------Pro-------l Depends where you draw the line. Obviously someone like OP, if he really is trying to improve, doesn't, then what are you going to pin it on? His brain is at an obvious disadvantage. Now if you come from an upbringing with little league attitudes, "Everyone is equal and we are all winners!" Then I can see where you are coming from, but I call it like I see it: Compared to Pros, I have a brain defect/learning disability, however subtle. Compared to me, OP has a brain defect/learning disability, however subtle. Or I can just say everyone is a little different, but I don't sugar coat shit and I won't for someone that is asking for reasonable critique. If you don't want a straight face bold answer, then, after you. ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/spongebob/images/8/82/180px-WeicheischuppenJr..jpg) | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On March 11 2012 03:33 BenBuford wrote: Yes, I do. I know it can be hard for some people to understand that one might find gratification in other things than "fun". I like to witness results, from putting in hard work/analysis/effort. More rewarding to me personally. I'm not playing to kill time, if that is what you mean. I actually dont have that much time to play --> "I usually don't play... But when I do, it's not for fun". I can understand that, yes, I'm a pretty competitive person and I like improving at things I find fun. I could never see myself trying to get good at something I don't find particularily fun however, like why would I want to get good at dancing which I'm not very fond of, instead of getting good at something I actually do like, ie starcraft? | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
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InseKtSC2
United States173 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:45 wajd wrote: So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? When you've tried everything to get better, meaning - watching your own replays, downloading replays, practicing every day, laddering, watching streams, watching live events, reading strategy threads, trying to seek coaching when you can't afford it, asking questions whenever you can... I mean everything. And none of it works. When you have been the same rank for a year and half. When you join a custom game, and you end up playing a master, and the game isn't even remotely close. (im a protoss plat) When you want to be serous with this game and it just isn't happening. Do you have to just suck it up and tell yourself to give up this dream, and stop playing? Accept the fact that this game is so easy for alot of people, but I'm not one of them. So what do you do when you reach your skill ceiling? You can't try to force the success, it will happen. I tried this and it didn't work overwhelming well, though I did go from bronze to diamond in my first year of the game. Basically though, you have to love the game. You will never want to be a professional in SC2 if you do not love the game first. You hear many pros be interviewed and they say they didn't start with the goal of going pro, they just enjoyed the game and got good enough to become professional. | ||
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Natespank
Canada449 Posts
If you're talking about your personal skill ceiling though... lol. Noob. I guess you don't realize it, but that happens sometimes, and then you... ascend. Keep at it  (noob comment refers to learning: experienced learners know that with dedication they will eventually surpass themselves) | ||
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