EPTOrb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 78
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
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HailPlays
39 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:32 ffdestiny wrote: Just for your information, racism isn't "my camp" or "my view" it's been historically active for as long as human history has existed--it's belaboring to have the undying need to explain how racism works, what it is, and how it operates even outside of the dissonance surrounding the shadow-dancing context debate. It's also tiring, to the point of re-statement, to attempt to inject the reasoning behind the n-word, or any other slur/culturally derogatory/charged remark to individuals, like those who are/or follow Destiny or support Orb's use too--obviously it's not very eidetic, or even respectful to anyone's character to sit behind the veil of the internet and figuratively regurgitate infallible "creative situations" or logical fallacies such as "words don't hurt people, therefore words are meaningless" or "the context is different, so therefore my version is perfectly acceptable" or "some black people agree somewhat with my views, so therefore I am right" and on and on and on... If only your reading comprehension matched your pretentious vocabulary. I did not mention your camp, and I did not defend the poorly thought out views many have expressed. I referred specifically to your broad dismissal of the entire minority.. It is really rather easy to understand: YOU OPINION GOOD. OTHER OPINION BAD. ALL WITH OTHER OPINION BECAUSE STUPID & WRONG. YOU VIEW NUANCED, NOT BLACK & WHITE. This line of thinking is obviously closely related to racism. Replace opinion with ethnicity and it's apartheid in a nutshell. I find it (and you) quite hilarious. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:57 Megabuster123 wrote: I can't believe people are trying to define nigga and nigger differently....semantics....>_> dude it's true I was smoking a blunt with these black guys one time and they were "it's all good to say nigga but if you add the "er" we're gonna beat the shit out of you" No clue how the subject came up, I certainly didn't bring it up. not making that up | ||
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:57 Megabuster123 wrote: I can't believe people are trying to define nigga and nigger differently....semantics....>_> Trust me I hate doing it to. I think nigger is just a loaded, inflammatory word and there's not real reason to co-opt for everyday use. I even wish Black people would stop using it. It cheapens the word. But context matters. And if there is a 'gradient' of how offensive it is when you use it, you have to differentiate it somehow. | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
What is the commercially realistic outcome for Orb? -- He must be fired and removed from all EG related activities. The corporate world is a bitch sometimes, and you need to know how to function in it or face the harshest of penalties. Sad for Orb, I doubt he's racist. However, if he lied about it being him that would just be pathetic. | ||
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OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
"Now, I just wish you guys would also get this upset when people use the word f----t, so that we could start fighting homophobia, too, and show people that it, like racism, also doesn't belong in our community" F----t has nothing to do with being gay. For example, quit being a f-----t and suck that guy's diq." (Louis CK, Chewed Up 2008) | ||
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Carnagath
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:00 Defacer wrote: Trust me I hate doing it to. I think nigger is just a loaded, inflammatory word and there's not real reason to co-opt for everyday use. I even wish Black people would stop using it. It cheapens the word. But context matters. And if there is a 'gradient' of how offensive it is when you use it, you have to differentiate it somehow. I think context is the only thing that matters. Nigga/Nigger are basically the same thing. The only difference is that most casual uses of nigger are at the end of a sentence so it just gets slanged. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On March 09 2012 18:52 Defacer wrote: The thing is, I'm not sure if I've ever read that Destiny used the word 'nigger' as an insult. He might have a great relationship with Debo and call each other 'nigga' all the time. They might even call other player 'niggers'. Orb clearly meant it as an insult. Even if it wasn't 'actually racist,' it does reinforce the age-old racist stereotype that black people are inferior (or else it would have no value as an insult). Indeed, I think that distinction is important, using the word as an insult is entirely different from any other context. I usually do not side with political-correctness, but in this case I am happy with EG's response. I don't think these incidents can classify Orb as a racist, but the extremely deceitful and manipulative way he has tried to handle this does make him a dishonest coward to me. I am sad to admit that I am glad to see him fail. | ||
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tombola
41 Posts
The whole thing got blown way out of proportion and it just isn't right, like Alex stated, to threaten a teams sponsors before giving the team time to react. We as a community should not be too hastely with our action because we could hurt the sport, wich already has problems in getting in more viewers, as a whole. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:01 OPL3SA2 wrote: F----t has nothing to do with being gay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFloXOuLgA (Louis CK, Chewed Up 2008) Herp Derp, same comedian on the show he wrote and directed two years later. | ||
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Chessz
United States644 Posts
Do I need to post his thread from /r/linguistics? | ||
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askTeivospy
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
What I don't agree with, is the overreacting of the community and the disregard of when and in what context the word was used. First of all: Who bypasses the CEO and bullshits the sponsors within this short time. It seems that EG haters just used this chance to badmouth EG in a way that really hurts them and not only them, ESPORTS in general. I'd go and tell the sponsors that it would be a failure to step away from EG anytime but I'm too lazy and Alex didn't post a link to it (btw. why not? XD If you don't want to then send me a PM - implying that you still read this thread and care for my voice :3 ). Second: Why give orb so much hate because of this? He clearly used it in a moment of pure frustration and even though it's always bad to choose words that are racist, it's obvious that it wasn't said because of racist thoughts. Orb is my age and I totally understand how he felt in that moment and that he didn't even think about his later career with EG back then. It's definitely a sad day for him but he also learned a ton of lessons. Fighting racism or homophobia doesn't start with changing our vocabulary. It starts in our mind and how we approach people in real life and not in a game where the only thing we know about our opponent is that he cheesed and appears to be letters on my monitor. There our words rarely describe our political views on somebody and more the frustration we feel in losing. TL;DR People who complain at the EG sponsors are stupid. Alex handled the situation in the right way even though it's a hard judgement. Orb is forgiven because he isn't guilty of anything. | ||
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MJesk
Netherlands18 Posts
That's just silly to me. The only reason this specific word is a problem, is because people perceive it as a problem. The real problem, racism, is completely overlooked here. | ||
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OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
People who have the problem with 'gay' or 'f----t' have an issue with the same thing - that it's being used synonymously with derogatory words. Gay means happy, faggot is a type of kindle, and I don't understand why certain communities are trying to claim, and then reclaim, and then reclaim their meanings. At this point, i'm sorry to say but gay does mean stupid, as it's entered the american lexicon. And Louis CK is right too, because I've been calling people f4gs since I was in first grade and I didn't know that being gay could exist. If homosexuals want to own the word gay, then I'd politely ask for it to be returned from whence it came, from where it was before the homosexual community grabbed it and made it mean something else. Gay goes back to meaning happy, otherwise, stfu. | ||
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capu
Finland224 Posts
NIGGER- a black man with a slavery chain around his neck. NIGGA- a black man with a gold chain on his neck. from urbandictionary | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Ofcourse some people claim that nigger is never used in a jovial way but there are tons of rap songs to disprove that easily. Personally I think cursing with cancer is much worse and even that I wouldn't consider to be too bad, ofcourse i'd never use it myself but this overreaction to nigger is a bit silly. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6312 Posts
Such a pathetic publicity stunt... 78 pages... for this crap? | ||
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