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Kakan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden63 Posts
February 27 2012 23:47 GMT
#261
On February 28 2012 08:15 VATO_Gandair wrote:
IdrA vs korean terrans, those are gonna be awesome matches. Depending on who else is in that group I think IdrA's got it. His ZvT is great.



Idra got is versus MMA and Bomber? lol i dont thinks so MMA like best TvZer in the world and Bombers Is very good 2 Idra dont stand a chance imo
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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
February 27 2012 23:48 GMT
#262
Meh can't believe they invited Idra since IPL1 was so long ago.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
February 27 2012 23:50 GMT
#263
On February 28 2012 08:44 LoB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 08:40 tdt wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:32 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:28 tdt wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:21 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:16 Thurken wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.

The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.



whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers.

i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand.

welcome to the real world.


You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that.

Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model.




But in the end they both want to make money, so if IPL can do that with charging 5$ a month, i'd understand that MLG could charge 50% higher but not 400% higher for just a weekend of content instead of a whole month.


You don't know the cost of the event or have the data to justify any price it was the first ppv event in this media type, MLG came before IPL announced their price. It is like saying that a local bakery should "take notes" from the supermarket cost of bread it doesn't make any economic sense.

Everyone in the industry was telling sundance he was nuts at that price point but he went ahead anyway. Read/listen Scoots post/ $5-10 a very small minority would have given them heat, that it.


"Everyone in the industry" I missed that post....
Just talk about the event and keep your sweeping statements, generalization and economic wisdom to yourself.


Is no generalization. Tune in to STOG, the threads about it, the interview with scoots/sundance. Everyone saying it was too much and Sundances' ridiculous oh well gotta start somewhere without any thought to others view.


you said everyone in the industry and then list 2 people and then state everyone again, I am not de-railing this thread any further by arguing with idiots.

Not my problem you can't be bothered to look up how everyone thought it was too much and Sundances ego just overinflated his assets worth.
MC for president
sephuys
Profile Joined October 2010
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 23:52:22
February 27 2012 23:51 GMT
#264
LoB is obviously angry, people are allowed to point out that they appreciate how IPL is doing things and that MLG should take notes. We as esports fans dont care how much it all costs to put on and if you can afford it. We just want to see good players play in high quality for the best deal. IPL is offering the quality and the value. You can laugh about us comparing them on your own time.
everybody poops
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 27 2012 23:52 GMT
#265
Wow, is this tournament stacked or what? Knowing the production value of IPL, this tournament should be the best of 2012 easily.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
February 27 2012 23:53 GMT
#266
On February 28 2012 08:47 Kakan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 08:15 VATO_Gandair wrote:
IdrA vs korean terrans, those are gonna be awesome matches. Depending on who else is in that group I think IdrA's got it. His ZvT is great.



Idra got is versus MMA and Bomber? lol i dont thinks so MMA like best TvZer in the world and Bombers Is very good 2 Idra dont stand a chance imo


Idra did beat Bomber the last(?) time they met. Luck? Maybe, but I think your stand is a bit strong.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
February 27 2012 23:55 GMT
#267
Excellent job, IPL. 480p for free and excellent content, with frequent rebroadcasts, great casters and no ridiculous hours. IPL is quickly becoming my favorite producer of everyday SC2 games.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
LoB
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom32 Posts
February 27 2012 23:57 GMT
#268
I am not angry but why waste my time explaining what generalizing means, when I can just quote him doing it in the same sentence. Your comment sephuys kind of sums the immaturity of the audience quite nicely. Thanks
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names."
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 27 2012 23:59 GMT
#269
why does everyone always say IdrA is out every single group play?

this is ZvT agaisnt people IdrA has a good history agaisnt its not like hes against MC or OZ or NesTea
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 00:00:37
February 27 2012 23:59 GMT
#270
On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.

The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.



whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers.

i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand.

welcome to the real world.


You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that.

Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model.



It is irrelevant to the viewers what MLG/IPL's income are. If I go to a movie theater and purchase a ticket for movie "XYZ", do I give a fuck what the backing for the production company was? Will I say,"Oh! Movie XYZ was made by an independent company! I want to support them and pay double the price, even though it's complete shit!" Absolutely not. Welcome to capitalism bud. And you saying there's no such thing as a supply and demand curve in any market is literally laughable. Essentially anytime there is a demand, there will be a supply. Welcome to EC-101.


So pumped for this event. Bought my player pass/plane ticket. Will book a room as soon as the info is released.
Artisane
Profile Joined April 2011
United States134 Posts
February 28 2012 00:00 GMT
#271
On February 28 2012 08:35 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 08:33 Artisane wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:19 tdt wrote:
Well I went ahead and got 2 VIP passes for this and I'm a Ferengi. One for my bro one for me. Hope I meet MC!

Love everything about IPL professionalism, casters, weekly events, business model.

I wanted to get the VIP passes, but I couldn't justify it with my wife after we got the VIP seats for NASL, and it was garbage.


Comparing IGN and NASL is probably not a good idea.

This I know, however I can't explain the epic difference to my wife.
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
February 28 2012 00:01 GMT
#272
I'll buy the HD content for sure, I'll gladly pay 5$ anytime to see MKP play

Though just one thing that I would like to know, Who are the casters going to be? PLEASE tell me you guys getting Apollo for this, just love his casting!
All looks great, just need good casters
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
sephuys
Profile Joined October 2010
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 00:04:57
February 28 2012 00:02 GMT
#273
On February 28 2012 08:57 LoB wrote:
I am not angry but why waste my time explaining what generalizing means, when I can just quote him doing it in the same sentence. Your comment sephuys kind of sums the immaturity of the audience quite nicely. Thanks


Ya 28 year old married man with a child, I'm so immature, and you are obviously the one "generalizing." All we did was point out that MLG could learn something from IPL. Yes, IPL has a big company holding it up, however that has nothing to do with MLG and Sundance butchering the way they charged and handled the Winter Arena.

Also I apologize for taking thread off topic.
everybody poops
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3767 Posts
February 28 2012 00:03 GMT
#274
On February 28 2012 05:18 Mementoss wrote:
MLG should be taking notes, this is definitely the right way to go about it. I'm sure this tournament will be a huge success!

I believe it was the other way around: MLG tried something and IPL took notes and adapted. There is nothing better than learning from somebody's else's mistakes.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
February 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#275
On February 28 2012 09:00 Artisane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 08:35 Youtakenocandle wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:33 Artisane wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:19 tdt wrote:
Well I went ahead and got 2 VIP passes for this and I'm a Ferengi. One for my bro one for me. Hope I meet MC!

Love everything about IPL professionalism, casters, weekly events, business model.

I wanted to get the VIP passes, but I couldn't justify it with my wife after we got the VIP seats for NASL, and it was garbage.


Comparing IGN and NASL is probably not a good idea.

This I know, however I can't explain the epic difference to my wife.


You must speak her language. Tell her that IPL is the Louis Vuitton or something (idunno, lol)
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
February 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#276
Oh my god, dem brackets. This is insane, way better than MLG !

Looking foreward to it !
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
February 28 2012 00:07 GMT
#277
5 Dollars a month? I'm in.
secret - never again
LoB
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom32 Posts
February 28 2012 00:08 GMT
#278
- age does not equate to maturity levels and I didn't generalize I made a statement that your post was immature.
- Orracle try reading the words before you go off on a tangent/insulting me, none of my posts have mentioned what you typed out. Also opinion does not equal fact sorry to dissapoint.

keep it coming though I am sure if you use capslock it might make yourr arguements even better!
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names."
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
February 28 2012 00:11 GMT
#279
On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.

The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.

You seem to be the one to compare MLG to IPL on a economic level. The OP never mentioned that they are profitable yet, in fact it's sure they aren't there yet. And as I mentioned in my previous post, IGN esports division can afford to be slower in its advance to paid content because it has a humongous financial backing behind. I don't know any number but from the interview of the director at IPL 3, the bosses gave them a large amount of money as well as numerous business connections without the need to make IPL profitable from the start. Because IGN is also a content provider, it can afford to keep people on payroll when they are not working for IPL because they can be working for IGN too (I have no confirmation on this) so that might be a reason too.

All in all, IPL might be the saving grace for MLG. If IPL can pull good numbers with paid subscription, MLG will have to adjust both in term of quality of product and price range. MLG set the bar very high to test the market and are likely to drop the prices a bit for the next time.
sephuys
Profile Joined October 2010
United States43 Posts
February 28 2012 00:13 GMT
#280
I don't see how my post was immature, but you obviously think anyone that disagrees with you is immature or uninformed or whatever so ill stop and let everyone see your posts and decide. This event looks exciting though
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