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FuTon
Profile Joined April 2011
United States308 Posts
March 03 2012 01:40 GMT
#501
Wherever there is free Sc2 tournament stream, I'm there

Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 02:31:41
March 03 2012 02:29 GMT
#502
My phone failed, sorry.























Diader
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States232 Posts
March 03 2012 04:20 GMT
#503
Does anyone know where I can find information on the tournament schedule?

Specifically, I'd like to know what time it starts on Friday, so that I can be sure to book a flight that arrives before that time.

Thanks!
ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
March 03 2012 04:42 GMT
#504
Interesting decision to have it at the Cosmopolitan, that is a high-end hotel! I would love to go but I already have a trip to Vegas later in April. Maybe for IPL 5?
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
March 03 2012 05:24 GMT
#505
On March 03 2012 10:38 Bagration wrote:

I can't speak for anyone else, but if Europeans were dominating, I would like to see more Koreans represented. I think an analogy can be made to the Football World Cup, where I don't just want to see an all European/ South America tournament, even though these teams are arguably the strongest. I like it when underdogs like the US, Japan, South Korea or Ghana can make a respectable run as well, and I like that the World Cup tries to represent the entire world, rather than simply the world's best.


I completely disagree. If watching a stream, let alone paying money, I want to see the best of the best play. Realistically, lets say IPL keeps 96 spots open for NA/EU players. Would you enjoy watching streams where the RO128/RO64 is purely one sided games of NA/EU players getting demolished? Or would you prefer a first come first serve basis, and allowing as many Koreans as they want to register providing(in theory) you with more action packed games?
Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
March 03 2012 06:28 GMT
#506
Wow group B and D already look stacked. This is going to be a great event, I'll definitely pay for the HD.
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 06:40:12
March 03 2012 06:36 GMT
#507
On March 03 2012 14:24 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 10:38 Bagration wrote:

I can't speak for anyone else, but if Europeans were dominating, I would like to see more Koreans represented. I think an analogy can be made to the Football World Cup, where I don't just want to see an all European/ South America tournament, even though these teams are arguably the strongest. I like it when underdogs like the US, Japan, South Korea or Ghana can make a respectable run as well, and I like that the World Cup tries to represent the entire world, rather than simply the world's best.


I completely disagree. If watching a stream, let alone paying money, I want to see the best of the best play. Realistically, lets say IPL keeps 96 spots open for NA/EU players. Would you enjoy watching streams where the RO128/RO64 is purely one sided games of NA/EU players getting demolished? Or would you prefer a first come first serve basis, and allowing as many Koreans as they want to register providing(in theory) you with more action packed games?


the world cup would not really be the world cup if it was only a tournament for europe and south america as they would be the only teams that can qualify. Yea sure not all the games will be top notch, but it gives a little something for everyone out there. And who knows, every world cup there are upsets where these supposed "teams that dont stand a chance" win or draw against teams they were suppose to loose against. That creates even bigger storylines.

Besides there is the gsl for the koreans. I prefer the direction mlg/ipl have done to include every region. The end result is still the same, Best team or player wins.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
March 03 2012 06:50 GMT
#508
So many Koreans!

This will be exciting.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
March 03 2012 06:52 GMT
#509
On February 29 2012 19:41 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 19:24 Vul wrote:
On February 29 2012 19:06 m0ck wrote:
With the GSTL-players in the open bracket, IPL 4 could end up as GSL mk. 2, only in america instead of Korea. I mean, fill up the last spots of the groups with Koreans (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316173) and we're at 17/20 originating in Korea. I don't think that is a good or healthy development.


I disagree with this outlook. If those are the best players then I don't see why that's not a healthy development. I would much rather see the best Starcraft than Starcraft played by someone who isn't South Korean. To me the way forward isn't "how can we have more non-Koreans do well at foreigner events?" but "how can we bring the best players to SC2 tournaments?" If every MLG and IPL, etc. has players like Nesta, MVP, MMA, MC, Leenock, DRG etc. but the consequence is that foreigners won't do as well, well that honestly seems fair to me. The Korean players are better and imo clearly more deserving of having their play broadcasted.

Plus, look at HuK. If a foreign players goes to Korea and seriously practices in a team house, in the same manner as Korean pros, then they can become competitive.

I think it's a problem because it will hurt the foreign player-base. Already, there are more S Korean pro-players than in the foreign scene. This can only be exacerbated by there being no place for foreign players in big tournaments. What are you playing for if you can't even qualify for the major tournaments?

And I question the continued interest in the SC2-scene dominated by Koreans, even in the foreign tournaments. Not among the hardcore fans. They'll still be there, just like they were in SC:BW. But the casuals, the fans of players of their own nationality, will they stick around for the future of 17/20 Korean tournaments? With SC:BW as a precedent, the answer is 'no'.


Then it is the foreigner players' own fault for not training harder than korean players. I dont think korean players have the better genes to play starcraft, so they practiced a ton more than foreigners, it is only fair that only the players who put in the hardest work should be invited. If you want foreign sc2 scene to grow, tell the foreign players to stop being lazy and practice as hard as the koreans instead of asking tournaments to invite more less skilled foreigners. You can see foreign progamers such as Destiny wasting time on LoL rather than practicing hard for sc2, if they use those time on practicing sc2 they could improve significantly.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
March 03 2012 08:53 GMT
#510
wow, crap. $520 for hotel. anyone wanna share a room?
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 09:18:16
March 03 2012 09:14 GMT
#511
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