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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
This is better than MLG in every way ! | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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DeaDoXFighting
Canada115 Posts
You'll def have my 5$ gogo IGN! | ||
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Bagration
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Zraf
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m0ck
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On February 29 2012 19:06 m0ck wrote: With the GSTL-players in the open bracket, IPL 4 could end up as GSL mk. 2, only in america instead of Korea. I mean, fill up the last spots of the groups with Koreans (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316173) and we're at 17/20 originating in Korea. I don't think that is a good or healthy development. I disagree with this outlook. If those are the best players then I don't see why that's not a healthy development. I would much rather see the best Starcraft than Starcraft played by someone who isn't South Korean. To me the way forward isn't "how can we have more non-Koreans do well at foreigner events?" but "how can we bring the best players to SC2 tournaments?" If every MLG and IPL, etc. has players like Nesta, MVP, MMA, MC, Leenock, DRG etc. but the consequence is that foreigners won't do as well, well that honestly seems fair to me. The Korean players are better and imo clearly more deserving of having their play broadcasted. Plus, look at HuK. If a foreign players goes to Korea and seriously practices in a team house, in the same manner as Korean pros, then they can become competitive. | ||
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m0ck
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On February 29 2012 19:24 Vul wrote: I disagree with this outlook. If those are the best players then I don't see why that's not a healthy development. I would much rather see the best Starcraft than Starcraft played by someone who isn't South Korean. To me the way forward isn't "how can we have more non-Koreans do well at foreigner events?" but "how can we bring the best players to SC2 tournaments?" If every MLG and IPL, etc. has players like Nesta, MVP, MMA, MC, Leenock, DRG etc. but the consequence is that foreigners won't do as well, well that honestly seems fair to me. The Korean players are better and imo clearly more deserving of having their play broadcasted. Plus, look at HuK. If a foreign players goes to Korea and seriously practices in a team house, in the same manner as Korean pros, then they can become competitive. I think it's a problem because it will hurt the foreign player-base. Already, there are more S Korean pro-players than in the foreign scene. This can only be exacerbated by there being no place for foreign players in big tournaments. What are you playing for if you can't even qualify for the major tournaments? And I question the continued interest in the SC2-scene dominated by Koreans, even in the foreign tournaments. Not among the hardcore fans. They'll still be there, just like they were in SC:BW. But the casuals, the fans of players of their own nationality, will they stick around for the future of 17/20 Korean tournaments? With SC:BW as a precedent, the answer is 'no'. | ||
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Vrtigo
Australia31 Posts
Will definitely be paying the $5. Partly for the HD streams / VODs but mainly to support the great work that IPL have been doing, especially since and including IPL3. It also seems to be a very reasonable price point and with free streams I don't feel like anybody gets screwed. Great Job IPL, KEEP IT UP! GL HF | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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johnny123
521 Posts
On February 29 2012 19:41 m0ck wrote: I think it's a problem because it will hurt the foreign player-base. Already, there are more S Korean pro-players than in the foreign scene. This can only be exacerbated by there being no place for foreign players in big tournaments. What are you playing for if you can't even qualify for the major tournaments? And I question the continued interest in the SC2-scene dominated by Koreans, even in the foreign tournaments. Not among the hardcore fans. They'll still be there, just like they were in SC:BW. But the casuals, the fans of players of their own nationality, will they stick around for the future of 17/20 Korean tournaments? With SC:BW as a precedent, the answer is 'no'. i only want to see the best, if the Koreans are the best, so be it. These organisations can run tournaments with none Koreans but we all know what the result would be, extremely low viewership and the feeling of "okay this foreigner won, what does it prove? no Koreans were here. A lot of pros such as naniwa WANT koreans in the big tournaments as they dont see winning a tournament without a korean anything to brag about. | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:47 AtlasEndured wrote: For everyone criticising MLG/saying MLG should take notes, you should realise that MLG doesn't have the full financial might of IGN behind them, and IPL offering this content for $5 is far, far easier for them. IGN's full financial might? Do you have a source on this? A post on TL or Reddit you can quote? Or an article? Very difficult to believe considering what David Ting said after IPL2, before and after IPL3, during the PPSL scandal, and many more. | ||
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Spaceneil8
United States317 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:26 Xpace wrote: Fuck me, I know it's early but what the hell is IPL5 gonna be? Underpriced 1080p stream, GSTL finals? This shit is insane, MLG needs to take notes. IPL is progressing ever further while they're going backwards ripping their loyal fanbase off. It's sad and I hope I'm not out of line but when you have pages and pages of people rejoicing rather than complaining, you KNOW you've set the right price. IGN's full financial might? Do you have a source on this? A post on TL or Reddit you can quote? Or an article? Very difficult to believe considering what David Ting said after IPL2, before and after IPL3, during the PPSL scandal, and many more. Do you honestly think IPL will even get close to breaking even with this? Hell, I wish it was priced higher because esports, and what these leagues are doing, needs to be a sustainable industry. I thought the MLG Arena was well worth it, and this is certainly worth it. | ||
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johnny123
521 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:26 Xpace wrote: Fuck me, I know it's early but what the hell is IPL5 gonna be? Underpriced 1080p stream, GSTL finals? This shit is insane, MLG needs to take notes. IPL is progressing ever further while they're going backwards ripping their loyal fanbase off. It's sad and I hope I'm not out of line but when you have pages and pages of people rejoicing rather than complaining, you KNOW you've set the right price. IGN's full financial might? Do you have a source on this? A post on TL or Reddit you can quote? Or an article? Very difficult to believe considering what David Ting said after IPL2, before and after IPL3, during the PPSL scandal, and many more. funny you say "loyal fanbase" about mlg, one would think a loyal fanbase would support them with there money, You cant be loyal and not give a dime to the company, There is a difference. Mlg has repeated said the areana's were more like special events, They would not happen at all if it was not for PPV. The championships are still there, they are still free to watch with 75000 prize pool. People need to wake up and get off this retarded bandwagon. In the end i want both MLG and IGN to see success because they are both great . | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On March 02 2012 09:13 johnny123 wrote: funny you say "loyal fanbase" about mlg, one would think a loyal fanbase would support them with there money, You cant be loyal and not give a dime to the company, There is a difference. Mlg has repeated said the areana's were more like special events, They would not happen at all if it was not for PPV. The championships are still there, they are still free to watch with 75000 prize pool. People need to wake up and get off this retarded bandwagon. In the end i want both MLG and IGN to see success because they are both great . Ah, there it is. I was thinking of using a different word than loyalty because I was sure I'd be quoted on that. In any event, loyalty is earned, and in the same way it can be lost. Being "loyal" to MLG could mean a lot of things. I'm not hating on MLG, I'm just saying I personally found the $20 price-tag ridiculous, it seems not a lot of people could see that rationale. There is no 'bandwagon'. There are people that didn't like it, there are people that agreed with it. Just because TL loves to take sides and defend theirs to the end, doesn't mean there's a 'bandwagon'. Get off your high horse, because there are a lot who disagreed with it and expressed their opinions in a valid, non-troll fashion. Arena of Legends, King of Kongs, Team Ace Invitational, Team Arena Challenge, Fight Club, and many more. I really don't see how this "special event" can warrant a price tag way above the others. | ||
IGNProLeague
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On February 29 2012 19:24 Vul wrote: I disagree with this outlook. If those are the best players then I don't see why that's not a healthy development. I would much rather see the best Starcraft than Starcraft played by someone who isn't South Korean. To me the way forward isn't "how can we have more non-Koreans do well at foreigner events?" but "how can we bring the best players to SC2 tournaments?" If every MLG and IPL, etc. has players like Nesta, MVP, MMA, MC, Leenock, DRG etc. but the consequence is that foreigners won't do as well, well that honestly seems fair to me. The Korean players are better and imo clearly more deserving of having their play broadcasted. Plus, look at HuK. If a foreign players goes to Korea and seriously practices in a team house, in the same manner as Korean pros, then they can become competitive. Because a lot of pepole don't only want to see the best play, they also want to see pepole who they care about play, i'm not going to bother to go to a barcraft or stay late just to watch some good games, there's a ton of good games, but not a ton of games withplayers who I care about. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On February 29 2012 19:41 m0ck wrote: I think it's a problem because it will hurt the foreign player-base. Already, there are more S Korean pro-players than in the foreign scene. This can only be exacerbated by there being no place for foreign players in big tournaments. What are you playing for if you can't even qualify for the major tournaments? And I question the continued interest in the SC2-scene dominated by Koreans, even in the foreign tournaments. Not among the hardcore fans. They'll still be there, just like they were in SC:BW. But the casuals, the fans of players of their own nationality, will they stick around for the future of 17/20 Korean tournaments? With SC:BW as a precedent, the answer is 'no'. You're full of it. If the situation was reversed. say europeans were dominant and Koreans were struggling, would you give two craps if Korean's had trouble filling in spots for major tourneys? No you wouldn't, you just don't want to see koreans, because you don't like them. If people care so much about race etc, and they stop watching, then good riddance, I want to see the best of the best regardless of one's skin color | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 03 2012 10:25 jj33 wrote: You're full of it. If the situation was reversed. say europeans were dominant and Koreans were struggling, would you give two craps if Korean's had trouble filling in spots for major tourneys? No you wouldn't, you just don't want to see koreans, because you don't like them. If people care so much about race etc, and they stop watching, then good riddance, I want to see the best of the best regardless of one's skin color I can't speak for anyone else, but if Europeans were dominating, I would like to see more Koreans represented. I think an analogy can be made to the Football World Cup, where I don't just want to see an all European/ South America tournament, even though these teams are arguably the strongest. I like it when underdogs like the US, Japan, South Korea or Ghana can make a respectable run as well, and I like that the World Cup tries to represent the entire world, rather than simply the world's best. | ||
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