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Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 20:58:58
February 28 2012 20:56 GMT
#461
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Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 21:32:44
February 28 2012 21:13 GMT
#462
On February 28 2012 08:51 sephuys wrote:
LoB is obviously angry, people are allowed to point out that they appreciate how IPL is doing things and that MLG should take notes. We as esports fans dont care how much it all costs to put on and if you can afford it. We just want to see good players play in high quality for the best deal. IPL is offering the quality and the value. You can laugh about us comparing them on your own time.


LoB is angry, but his basic point is completely on the money (no pun intended). No matter what people wish to believe, Newscorp do not give one flying fuck about esports. Period. They. Do. Not. Care. They care about money and brand exposure. The same organisation who hacked the phones of a murder victim back the IGN Pro League. Thats a fact. I really wonder what kind of fantasy World people on this forum live in. They see esports as a potential growth market, which is why they are willing to get shafted for six figures on one event (IPL3) and charge artificially low prices for their events in future. Its called a bubble, they are going to price other leagues out of the market and its not good for esports, no matter what the masses say.

People should seriously look at the situation realistically and stop bashing anyone who says anything negative about IPL.

Edit - I understand this is harshly worded. Its just very frustrating that everyone jumps down the throats of anyone who says anything bad about IPL. For once people need to look past the fact we are getting high quality content for nothing, that our casters are getting full time jobs and that IGN makes MLG look like the bad guys. Bigger picture.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 21:31:44
February 28 2012 21:31 GMT
#463
Can someone clarity the $5 sub for me. Does this mean HD for major events or every single event? By that I mean, will ipl team league and fight club, etc require the $5 sub to watch HD?
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
February 28 2012 21:37 GMT
#464
On February 29 2012 06:31 Canucklehead wrote:
Can someone clarity the $5 sub for me. Does this mean HD for major events or every single event? By that I mean, will ipl team league and fight club, etc require the $5 sub to watch HD?


On February 28 2012 05:12 IGNProLeague wrote:
This paid subscription model will take effect the first week of April, with IPL4 being the first of our events to be covered by it. All of our streams will continue to be free in all resolutions until IPL4.


All their content will be paid HD now
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
February 28 2012 21:41 GMT
#465
On February 28 2012 05:12 IGNProLeague wrote:
If you are currently an IGN Prime member, we want to make sure you can take advantage of this offer, so we will offer a one time opportunity to migrate from IGN Prime to our new Twitch.tv subscription page. Details on that are still to come.

I am, and I became a member because of the fantastic job you did on IPL3, and I am really happy that you decided to do it this way.

Happy enough to stay on and get the twitch subscription in addition I think.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
February 28 2012 21:42 GMT
#466
On February 29 2012 06:37 ragnorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 06:31 Canucklehead wrote:
Can someone clarity the $5 sub for me. Does this mean HD for major events or every single event? By that I mean, will ipl team league and fight club, etc require the $5 sub to watch HD?


Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 05:12 IGNProLeague wrote:
This paid subscription model will take effect the first week of April, with IPL4 being the first of our events to be covered by it. All of our streams will continue to be free in all resolutions until IPL4.


All their content will be paid HD now


Ah ok, that's what I thought but wasn't sure cause I didn't see a sub option on their stream, but that's cause it hasn't started yet.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
SynapseSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States86 Posts
February 28 2012 21:42 GMT
#467
On February 29 2012 06:13 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 08:51 sephuys wrote:
LoB is obviously angry, people are allowed to point out that they appreciate how IPL is doing things and that MLG should take notes. We as esports fans dont care how much it all costs to put on and if you can afford it. We just want to see good players play in high quality for the best deal. IPL is offering the quality and the value. You can laugh about us comparing them on your own time.


LoB is angry, but his basic point is completely on the money (no pun intended). No matter what people wish to believe, Newscorp do not give one flying fuck about esports. Period. They. Do. Not. Care. They care about money and brand exposure. The same organisation who hacked the phones of a murder victim back the IGN Pro League. Thats a fact. I really wonder what kind of fantasy World people on this forum live in. They see esports as a potential growth market, which is why they are willing to get shafted for six figures on one event (IPL3) and charge artificially low prices for their events in future. Its called a bubble, they are going to price other leagues out of the market and its not good for esports, no matter what the masses say.

People should seriously look at the situation realistically and stop bashing anyone who says anything negative about IPL.

Edit - I understand this is harshly worded. Its just very frustrating that everyone jumps down the throats of anyone who says anything bad about IPL. For once people need to look past the fact we are getting high quality content for nothing, that our casters are getting full time jobs and that IGN makes MLG look like the bad guys. Bigger picture.



According to many reports, IGN has been in the process of spinning off from Newscorp since they bought UGO last year.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 21:51:42
February 28 2012 21:44 GMT
#468
On February 29 2012 06:42 SynapseSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 06:13 Trowa127 wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:51 sephuys wrote:
LoB is obviously angry, people are allowed to point out that they appreciate how IPL is doing things and that MLG should take notes. We as esports fans dont care how much it all costs to put on and if you can afford it. We just want to see good players play in high quality for the best deal. IPL is offering the quality and the value. You can laugh about us comparing them on your own time.


LoB is angry, but his basic point is completely on the money (no pun intended). No matter what people wish to believe, Newscorp do not give one flying fuck about esports. Period. They. Do. Not. Care. They care about money and brand exposure. The same organisation who hacked the phones of a murder victim back the IGN Pro League. Thats a fact. I really wonder what kind of fantasy World people on this forum live in. They see esports as a potential growth market, which is why they are willing to get shafted for six figures on one event (IPL3) and charge artificially low prices for their events in future. Its called a bubble, they are going to price other leagues out of the market and its not good for esports, no matter what the masses say.

People should seriously look at the situation realistically and stop bashing anyone who says anything negative about IPL.

Edit - I understand this is harshly worded. Its just very frustrating that everyone jumps down the throats of anyone who says anything bad about IPL. For once people need to look past the fact we are getting high quality content for nothing, that our casters are getting full time jobs and that IGN makes MLG look like the bad guys. Bigger picture.



According to many reports, IGN has been in the process of spinning off from Newscorp since they bought UGO last year.


'Newscorp will retain a controlling stake in the combined company.'

Anyway, I'm bias, as most Brits are towards Newscorp. Newscorp controlled tabloids in the UK are just disgusting.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Prolix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States30 Posts
February 28 2012 21:44 GMT
#469
On February 29 2012 04:05 IGNProLeague wrote:We are using a third-party Facebook utility because it makes sense for our promotion. Facebook and Twitter both have millions of users that do not browse TeamLiquid.net or Reddit.com that could potentially be interested in our event. You certainly do not have to agree to a ToS or Privacy Policy to purchase a ticket, which costs $25. You can skip all of the promotion and just buy the ticket on our Eventbrite page here: http://ipl4.eventbrite.com/

We're sorry that you are against this sort of promotional discount, but many people will find it beneficial. We can justify the 50% discount because of the potential of more tickets sold.

Thanks for the response. I understand your reasoning. I just wanted to voice an (admittedly probably minority) opinion against it. Regardless, if I end up making a trip to Las Vegas for this, a difference of $12.50 on the spectator ticket price certainly won't be a deal-breaker.
"Be careful. You're a man who makes people afraid, and that's dangerous."
"Well, it's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid."
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 28 2012 21:56 GMT
#470
On February 29 2012 06:13 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 08:51 sephuys wrote:
LoB is obviously angry, people are allowed to point out that they appreciate how IPL is doing things and that MLG should take notes. We as esports fans dont care how much it all costs to put on and if you can afford it. We just want to see good players play in high quality for the best deal. IPL is offering the quality and the value. You can laugh about us comparing them on your own time.


LoB is angry, but his basic point is completely on the money (no pun intended). No matter what people wish to believe, Newscorp do not give one flying fuck about esports. Period. They. Do. Not. Care. They care about money and brand exposure. The same organisation who hacked the phones of a murder victim back the IGN Pro League. Thats a fact. I really wonder what kind of fantasy World people on this forum live in. They see esports as a potential growth market, which is why they are willing to get shafted for six figures on one event (IPL3) and charge artificially low prices for their events in future. Its called a bubble, they are going to price other leagues out of the market and its not good for esports, no matter what the masses say.

People should seriously look at the situation realistically and stop bashing anyone who says anything negative about IPL.

Edit - I understand this is harshly worded. Its just very frustrating that everyone jumps down the throats of anyone who says anything bad about IPL. For once people need to look past the fact we are getting high quality content for nothing, that our casters are getting full time jobs and that IGN makes MLG look like the bad guys. Bigger picture.


I wish we had that much power to sway the great corporations of our times. Of course NewsCorp is a pretty machiavellian organization, and we cannot do much to avoid that. But what can IPL, or even IGN do? NewsCorp accquired them, and they need to work their best within these parameters.

Just because Murdoch is evil does not mean that you instantly distrust everything IPL does. David Ting is not some secret agent on a task assigned by Murdoch to destroy esports by undercutting the competition. He's a guy who has passion for SC2, and took the risk of starting IPL within IGN.

One year later, IPL is offering premium content in the form of team tournaments, fight clubs, and of course, a major LAN event with some of the world's best players. This is not about MLG vs IPL. This is just another great Esports event.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
terrrrrible
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
February 28 2012 21:58 GMT
#471
My money, when and where can I give it to you?
halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
February 28 2012 22:03 GMT
#472
On February 29 2012 06:13 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 08:51 sephuys wrote:
LoB is obviously angry, people are allowed to point out that they appreciate how IPL is doing things and that MLG should take notes. We as esports fans dont care how much it all costs to put on and if you can afford it. We just want to see good players play in high quality for the best deal. IPL is offering the quality and the value. You can laugh about us comparing them on your own time.


LoB is angry, but his basic point is completely on the money (no pun intended). No matter what people wish to believe, Newscorp do not give one flying fuck about esports. Period. They. Do. Not. Care. They care about money and brand exposure. The same organisation who hacked the phones of a murder victim back the IGN Pro League. Thats a fact. I really wonder what kind of fantasy World people on this forum live in. They see esports as a potential growth market, which is why they are willing to get shafted for six figures on one event (IPL3) and charge artificially low prices for their events in future. Its called a bubble, they are going to price other leagues out of the market and its not good for esports, no matter what the masses say.

People should seriously look at the situation realistically and stop bashing anyone who says anything negative about IPL.

Edit - I understand this is harshly worded. Its just very frustrating that everyone jumps down the throats of anyone who says anything bad about IPL. For once people need to look past the fact we are getting high quality content for nothing, that our casters are getting full time jobs and that IGN makes MLG look like the bad guys. Bigger picture.

that may be true, but i dont really care. free stream>paid stream, especially when the quality of the players is the same.
although i guess MLG was free, so you may have a point
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
February 28 2012 22:04 GMT
#473
Group A and B could not be any more differant. When I saw Group B in particular I knew there was something strange about it, and then I realized it is stuff with the three most stylistic players of each respective race (WhiteRa - Protoss, Stephano - Zerg, MKP - Marines)

I'm not to familiar with Tails style, but Nestea and aLive play their races as smart and normal as possible.

You then have group C which is comprised of the best TvP players in the world.

Group D? That group will be known for having players that Idra will lose to.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
February 28 2012 22:04 GMT
#474
On February 29 2012 06:56 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 06:13 Trowa127 wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:51 sephuys wrote:
LoB is obviously angry, people are allowed to point out that they appreciate how IPL is doing things and that MLG should take notes. We as esports fans dont care how much it all costs to put on and if you can afford it. We just want to see good players play in high quality for the best deal. IPL is offering the quality and the value. You can laugh about us comparing them on your own time.


LoB is angry, but his basic point is completely on the money (no pun intended). No matter what people wish to believe, Newscorp do not give one flying fuck about esports. Period. They. Do. Not. Care. They care about money and brand exposure. The same organisation who hacked the phones of a murder victim back the IGN Pro League. Thats a fact. I really wonder what kind of fantasy World people on this forum live in. They see esports as a potential growth market, which is why they are willing to get shafted for six figures on one event (IPL3) and charge artificially low prices for their events in future. Its called a bubble, they are going to price other leagues out of the market and its not good for esports, no matter what the masses say.

People should seriously look at the situation realistically and stop bashing anyone who says anything negative about IPL.

Edit - I understand this is harshly worded. Its just very frustrating that everyone jumps down the throats of anyone who says anything bad about IPL. For once people need to look past the fact we are getting high quality content for nothing, that our casters are getting full time jobs and that IGN makes MLG look like the bad guys. Bigger picture.


I wish we had that much power to sway the great corporations of our times. Of course NewsCorp is a pretty machiavellian organization, and we cannot do much to avoid that. But what can IPL, or even IGN do? NewsCorp accquired them, and they need to work their best within these parameters.

Just because Murdoch is evil does not mean that you instantly distrust everything IPL does. David Ting is not some secret agent on a task assigned by Murdoch to destroy esports by undercutting the competition. He's a guy who has passion for SC2, and took the risk of starting IPL within IGN.

One year later, IPL is offering premium content in the form of team tournaments, fight clubs, and of course, a major LAN event with some of the world's best players. This is not about MLG vs IPL. This is just another great Esports event.


Thats not the point. What I'm asking is are the IGN's target market (us, esports fans) happy with companies losing six figures on a single event and continuing to offer content at rock bottom prices, even if it means that in a year or so its possible we won't have any leagues at all? I'm talking about sustainability. I cannot see how IPL can be making a profit considering the number of people it employs and the number of events with high cash prizes it hosts.

I just don't see sc2 growing the amount they are obviously hoping it does.

Anyway, maybe I'm just taking it too seriously. I have no doubt IPL4 is going to be excellent. I just hope future IPL events are possible.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
February 28 2012 22:09 GMT
#475
gonna be a sick tournament, cant wait
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
February 28 2012 22:19 GMT
#476
I like how people are acting like SC2 is dying. This is false and something Sundance wanted to implant in people to validate his money making for the last PPV. SC2 dying if he didn't charge 20$ for 1 event? lol
xpldngmn
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria264 Posts
February 28 2012 22:31 GMT
#477
Group B <3 <3 <3
Non-native speaker, those prepositions are so hard to know.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 28 2012 22:34 GMT
#478
On February 29 2012 07:04 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 06:56 Bagration wrote:
On February 29 2012 06:13 Trowa127 wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:51 sephuys wrote:
LoB is obviously angry, people are allowed to point out that they appreciate how IPL is doing things and that MLG should take notes. We as esports fans dont care how much it all costs to put on and if you can afford it. We just want to see good players play in high quality for the best deal. IPL is offering the quality and the value. You can laugh about us comparing them on your own time.


LoB is angry, but his basic point is completely on the money (no pun intended). No matter what people wish to believe, Newscorp do not give one flying fuck about esports. Period. They. Do. Not. Care. They care about money and brand exposure. The same organisation who hacked the phones of a murder victim back the IGN Pro League. Thats a fact. I really wonder what kind of fantasy World people on this forum live in. They see esports as a potential growth market, which is why they are willing to get shafted for six figures on one event (IPL3) and charge artificially low prices for their events in future. Its called a bubble, they are going to price other leagues out of the market and its not good for esports, no matter what the masses say.

People should seriously look at the situation realistically and stop bashing anyone who says anything negative about IPL.

Edit - I understand this is harshly worded. Its just very frustrating that everyone jumps down the throats of anyone who says anything bad about IPL. For once people need to look past the fact we are getting high quality content for nothing, that our casters are getting full time jobs and that IGN makes MLG look like the bad guys. Bigger picture.


I wish we had that much power to sway the great corporations of our times. Of course NewsCorp is a pretty machiavellian organization, and we cannot do much to avoid that. But what can IPL, or even IGN do? NewsCorp accquired them, and they need to work their best within these parameters.

Just because Murdoch is evil does not mean that you instantly distrust everything IPL does. David Ting is not some secret agent on a task assigned by Murdoch to destroy esports by undercutting the competition. He's a guy who has passion for SC2, and took the risk of starting IPL within IGN.

One year later, IPL is offering premium content in the form of team tournaments, fight clubs, and of course, a major LAN event with some of the world's best players. This is not about MLG vs IPL. This is just another great Esports event.


Thats not the point. What I'm asking is are the IGN's target market (us, esports fans) happy with companies losing six figures on a single event and continuing to offer content at rock bottom prices, even if it means that in a year or so its possible we won't have any leagues at all? I'm talking about sustainability. I cannot see how IPL can be making a profit considering the number of people it employs and the number of events with high cash prizes it hosts.

I just don't see sc2 growing the amount they are obviously hoping it does.

Anyway, maybe I'm just taking it too seriously. I have no doubt IPL4 is going to be excellent. I just hope future IPL events are possible.


It is sustainable for IGN because they can write it off as a marketing expense. Through IPL, IGN has bought a lot of goodwill in the SC2 and LoL communities, as well as get its name out into the communities.

MLG's outlook is not bad either, since it appeared that MLG hit the target PPV subscriptions that they were hoping for, and are planning to add more Arenas in the spring.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
February 28 2012 22:55 GMT
#479
I think $5-10 dollars is the right price for something like this. $20 was too much as a child for me to pay for MLG, unfortunately (even though I'd have loved to).
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 23:08:20
February 28 2012 23:07 GMT
#480
On February 28 2012 05:25 ssg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 05:23 gullberg wrote:
Well Idra looks pretty fucked!

April is still awhile off. If he can get his ZvT back to where it was at the end of 2011, he's got a very good chance of advancing.


He took out bomber at MLG last year, it's not inconceivable that he could do so again.
But certainly something is off with his play at the moment and if he can't figure out what and fix it by April I don't see him going far.

He does have a tendency to be looking terrible and then busting out some serious results so I wouldn't feel confident saying he's screwed.
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