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SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
February 24 2012 00:39 GMT
#41
On February 24 2012 09:25 pepsimaxibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 09:18 Otolia wrote:
On February 24 2012 09:17 Devolved wrote:
So in other words, he threw the games because he was behind in the series and didn't think he could come back. And besides, it was just a showmatch so who cares anyway. Stay classy, Idra.

No it was because aLive wanted to win instead of showing good matches. Korean mentality and all ...

someone dig up the quote from idra about starcraft not being pro-wrestling and how gamers should be playing to win above all else.


But it's a showmatch though... Emphasis on SHOW...
I understand IdrA's POV, even if I don't empathize with it. Should've just played it out instead of causing a ruckus..
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
February 24 2012 00:40 GMT
#42
losing respect for idra day by day smh. Even though it was a showmatch that doesn't mean all-ins are taboo. Double 6 pooling however would be like if alive had gone for a completely blind 5 rax marine proxy all in. The point is that once again IdrA is being idra and i can't believe people respect him for that.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 00:40:45
February 24 2012 00:40 GMT
#43
On February 24 2012 09:32 Forikorder wrote:
Naniwa probe rushs: oh well game didnt amtter anyway and he was tired
Stephano forfiets: well it was late he was tired
IdrA 6 pools: WTF how can people do this? IdrA is so terrible GRRRRRRR

love the double standard, it was a showmatch that didnt matter wheres the entertainment in watching alive all-in every game? none

Yes, because the community always has an unanimous opinion about everything. Seriously, do you even believe what you write? Some people were upset with Naniwa, others less so, same for Stephano and IdrA. But you have to invent a revisionist history where suddenly everyone has a double standard about him. You are the one that has the double standard.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
February 24 2012 00:40 GMT
#44
It is more than possible to survive Alive's builds, and take a minimal amount of damage.

The only coinflip part is when Idra failed to react and prepare properly and died straightout.

Typical Idra - blame the opponent when he fails.
tpfkan
Boony
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia87 Posts
February 24 2012 00:40 GMT
#45
Typical Idra. He is the most frustrating player to follow.
He remindes me of a few sports stars that I have followed. They have amazing tallent and when they play well they leave you in awe. But their mental attitude prevents them from achiving their true potential and leaves everyone wondering what they could have been.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 00:42:14
February 24 2012 00:41 GMT
#46
On February 24 2012 09:37 MrCon wrote:
Wow, Idra still think coin flips exist, even tho he trained in Korea. Amazing.
Well, perhaps he knows there is no really such thing (at least that 11/11 is not a "coin flip", especially not versus him), but he hopes his remaining fans will pick that sentence and use it to defend him.

coin flip builds still exist, 6 pooling for instance is a coin flip build

every all-in is a coin flip build

most mid game timings are coin flips
like for instance if you go for an early hellion/marauder push thats a coin flip

if you go for a fast roach baneling all-in thats a coinflip

if you 4 gate off one base thats a coin flip

if you DT rush thats a coin flip
On February 24 2012 09:40 architecture wrote:
It is more than possible to survive Alive's builds, and take a minimal amount of damage.

The only coinflip part is when Idra failed to react and prepare properly and died straightout.

Typical Idra - blame the opponent when he fails.

he didnt blame Alive, yes it is possible to survive the builds easily, it is also possible to die easily, hence calling them a coinflip build, your flipping a coin and hoping they arent prepared
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
United States296 Posts
February 24 2012 00:41 GMT
#47
Anyone else not satisfied with idra's answer for why phoenix buff is bad? He says blizz is dumb and proceeds to describe the midgame role of the muta, without saying why the buff was a poor choice.

Is he implying that the midgame muta will now be insufficient in buying enough time for zerg macro? He said the late game protoss army will already beat a muta army. So, was the phoenix buff unnecessary in his opinion?

Not very clear
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rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
February 24 2012 00:41 GMT
#48
I think IdrA did a good job describing what is wrong with ZvP/PvZ
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stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
February 24 2012 00:41 GMT
#49
On February 24 2012 09:40 docvoc wrote:
losing respect for idra day by day smh. Even though it was a showmatch that doesn't mean all-ins are taboo. Double 6 pooling however would be like if alive had gone for a completely blind 5 rax marine proxy all in. The point is that once again IdrA is being idra and i can't believe people respect him for that.

you realize alive went proxy 2 rax and double reactor hellion in games 1 and 2?

So yea its exactly equivalent... that was the point lol
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
February 24 2012 00:42 GMT
#50
Please don't start to get all riled up about this again, it was annoying the first time it happened, no need to dig up something that was buried already. All arguments have been exchanged.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 24 2012 00:42 GMT
#51
On February 24 2012 09:41 Kfcnoob wrote:
Anyone else not satisfied with idra's answer for why phoenix buff is bad? He says blizz is dumb and proceeds to describe the midgame role of the muta, without saying why the buff was a poor choice.

Is he implying that the midgame muta will now be insufficient in buying enough time for zerg macro? He said the late game protoss army will already beat a muta army. So, was the phoenix buff unnecessary in his opinion?

Not very clear

its not clear why a lte game upgrade wont be out in time to stop mid game mutas?
Darkzler
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden58 Posts
February 24 2012 00:43 GMT
#52
Really nice and short interview, very interesting thoughts on the balance changes.
Play hard, go pro!
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
February 24 2012 00:43 GMT
#53
On February 24 2012 09:41 Kfcnoob wrote:
Anyone else not satisfied with idra's answer for why phoenix buff is bad? He says blizz is dumb and proceeds to describe the midgame role of the muta, without saying why the buff was a poor choice.

Is he implying that the midgame muta will now be insufficient in buying enough time for zerg macro? He said the late game protoss army will already beat a muta army. So, was the phoenix buff unnecessary in his opinion?

Not very clear


You know it's Idra.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
February 24 2012 00:43 GMT
#54
you fans arent seeing your "massive" improvement from staying at the slayers house. if anything they see you ragequit more and more
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
February 24 2012 00:45 GMT
#55
On February 24 2012 09:41 Kfcnoob wrote:
Anyone else not satisfied with idra's answer for why phoenix buff is bad? He says blizz is dumb and proceeds to describe the midgame role of the muta, without saying why the buff was a poor choice.

Is he implying that the midgame muta will now be insufficient in buying enough time for zerg macro? He said the late game protoss army will already beat a muta army. So, was the phoenix buff unnecessary in his opinion?

Not very clear


Sounded like because of the cost and time it takes to get, the upgrade could only serve as making the Protoss deathball even stronger which it doesn't even need and the muta problem happens mid-game not late-game, so Protoss needs a mid-game option that means they can attack without risking an immediate base-trade.
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Ice Climber
Profile Joined January 2012
United States46 Posts
February 24 2012 00:46 GMT
#56
I fucking love watching IdrA play, however I don't buy his response about the showmatch. It's more of a face-saving comment than anything.

I personally love all-in's and cheese and I believe they are necessary. I think they make the game more exciting/upredictable and tightens up the allowable set of builds that can be done.

When a cheese works and the cheeser cake-walks over his opponent they suck to watch, but when someone holds it off or beats the cheese it is always fun and exciting to watch.

Sometimes when the cheese works it's exciting like with Game 1 MMA vs MVP at Blizzcon GSL Finals. That was some excellent cheese.

I do think IdrA is spot on about PvZ and and I think the same applies to an extent to PvT. Those matchups just aren't that fun to watch imo. The way that SC2 Protoss interacts with the other two races right now is just uninteresting. PvP is much more enjoyable now that you can't 4 Gate everything. Protoss is just wonky :/
shishy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States115 Posts
February 24 2012 00:46 GMT
#57
I don't think his playstyle has changed as much but everything looks a bit more refined, as if the only thing he focused on were his mechanics/playing cleanly.

Hopefully he'll do well at MLG, I always like to watch him haha.
Tipany
Profile Joined November 2010
United States368 Posts
February 24 2012 00:46 GMT
#58
On February 24 2012 09:25 pepsimaxibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 09:18 Otolia wrote:
On February 24 2012 09:17 Devolved wrote:
So in other words, he threw the games because he was behind in the series and didn't think he could come back. And besides, it was just a showmatch so who cares anyway. Stay classy, Idra.

No it was because aLive wanted to win instead of showing good matches. Korean mentality and all ...

someone dig up the quote from idra about starcraft not being pro-wrestling and how gamers should be playing to win above all else.

SHOWmatch, bro.

SHOWMATCH.
wat.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
February 24 2012 00:47 GMT
#59
well geez guys instead of just talking about that one game... cause imo the biggest takeaway is the views on balance... I think a lot of pros are saying turtle-mech will make a comeback, and meh thats sad cause i hate mech

Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
February 24 2012 00:48 GMT
#60
Nobody mentioned Idra's comment on TvZ post ghost nerf? If Idra says it that zerg has the upperhand, you know everything has gone down the drain.
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