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EG.IdrA on the six-pool, MLG Arena, 1.4.3 - Page 13

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ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
February 24 2012 13:03 GMT
#241
wait what? i read through a lot of responses that were that Alive's play is not entertaining. who cares? competitive play is about show casing your skills and winning as many matches as you can. a showmatch doesn't mean that you should sacrfice your best play for entertainment's sake. Show matches aren't the NBA all-star game folks, I personally watch them to see the best play, that is personally what is entertaining to me. If you enjoy starcraft 2 for the GOOD reasons, then you should want to always see people wanting to win, and not just wanting to land some nukes
polybios
Profile Joined December 2010
Czech Republic111 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 13:32:11
February 24 2012 13:04 GMT
#242
Is it just me or myeg.net is down?

Edit: it is working now
Foooky
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia205 Posts
February 24 2012 13:11 GMT
#243
i cant seem to get into myeg.net either ;/
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 24 2012 13:19 GMT
#244
Why do people always think that macro games are the most entertaining? NR20 IS BORING. Aggressive play is entertaining, not boring passive macro. Gumiho vs DRG game 1 was so amazing to watch because of Gumiho's aggression and multitasking. Jookto vs whoever in that 1.3 hour teamleague match was as macro as it gets and it was one of the worst games ever played. The game is not about big armies clashing, if that's the kind of shallow gameplay that gets you off then go watch a movie. Starcraft is about smart decision making and multitasking regardless of the unit count. Alive's raven rush against MMA in the GSL ro8 was just as exciting as most games that last three times as long.

It's just a shame that Idra couldn't last long enough for Alive to show off some of his decision making. He just rolled over and died every time.
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WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
February 24 2012 13:27 GMT
#245
it would of been fun if his 6 pool would of worked. but personally i would of liked a 10 pool more. And i would of liked it if he would not of told us that he did not care for the games.
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
February 24 2012 13:34 GMT
#246
What bothered me most about Idra's 6-pooling was the WAY he 6-pooled. Not making a 7th drone before lings (which makes a HUGE difference). Fully committing to the rush when he'd already done damage by forcing the transfer/main shift, and still had time to turn it into a realish game instead of bashing his thick, self-important fucking skull against a brick wall.

Not only did you 6pool, IdrA, you 6-pooled terribly. You disrespected the game you play by giving a hearty "Fuck you!" to the fans and your own results. Christ, develop a little damn mental toughness, will you?
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
February 24 2012 13:34 GMT
#247
Fundamental problem with Starcraft 2 is the inability to scout adequately against build order losses. Zerg is especially vulnerable to all ins, and yet have an early scouting method that is both costly and prone to failure. I'm not going to bother with the expansions with this game unless Blizzard puts in some actual effort into the game, because there are so many flaws in the most basic levels that will likely never be addressed.
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
February 24 2012 13:48 GMT
#248
On February 24 2012 21:51 arcane1129 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 21:45 CursedRich wrote:
so he's spent 2 months in the slayers house and he considers hellion openings cheese? LOL


There's a difference between 2fac mass hellion and a standard hellion opening.


Yes of course, but its not like he's in the best place in the world to train against both
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 24 2012 13:50 GMT
#249
I hate it when pros just whine about blizzard balancing and suggest nothing in return. If you are so smart lets look at your ideas and have something to compare to.
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
February 24 2012 14:06 GMT
#250
Wait, what, are we still calling bunker openers are cheese, and now helions too..... 11/11 is scoutable, can be held and needs to do damage. It's a poor situation where terrans have to sit back and let zerg make drones for 10 minutes and then play from way behind. Top terrans vs Idra it might put even but zergs with better army control should never lose playing this 10mins no rush daftness...
Six pool by all means if you want but if that reasoning actually is honest (which I doubt), it's not intelligent or mature.
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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
February 24 2012 14:23 GMT
#251
On February 24 2012 22:50 Cheerio wrote:
I hate it when pros just whine about blizzard balancing and suggest nothing in return. If you are so smart lets look at your ideas and have something to compare to.

It's not his job to waste time trying to make the game right, nor does he have the game knowledge to balance properly.
What should he have said? That he fully agreed with Blizz, and that they were doing a great job, when in truth, they have designed a shitty game? There's a reason most people ''whine'' when asked that question
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
February 24 2012 14:25 GMT
#252
On February 24 2012 23:06 mostevil wrote:
Wait, what, are we still calling bunker openers are cheese, and now helions too..... 11/11 is scoutable, can be held and needs to do damage. It's a poor situation where terrans have to sit back and let zerg make drones for 10 minutes and then play from way behind. Top terrans vs Idra it might put even but zergs with better army control should never lose playing this 10mins no rush daftness...
Six pool by all means if you want but if that reasoning actually is honest (which I doubt), it's not intelligent or mature.

2 rax isn't cheese, but 11/11 is imo. hellions aretn't cheese, but 2 reactor mass hellion is. His reasoning was pretty acceptable imo. If Alive doesn't want to show good games and entertain, why the hell should he? Besides, as he said, coming back from a 0-2, getting cheesed on the zerg maps, against a player like fucking Alive...? Not a chance
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
February 24 2012 14:27 GMT
#253
On February 24 2012 22:04 polybios wrote:
Is it just me or myeg.net is down?

Edit: it is working now


Seems to be down for me atm.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
February 24 2012 14:28 GMT
#254
I am quite convinced that Idra can no longer be a top player (even in foreign scene). In BETA his mechanics were the only thing which made him one of the best players (and all thanks to his BW background) but now he is slowly fading away. His mental strength is close to nothing and it can be easily seen in Idra's BoX matches against equally skilled or even better players. After losing like one game he totally collapses and starts all-in'ing and throwing games away. If you want to be a winner, you have to have a mindset of a winner. And Idra simply does not have it.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
February 24 2012 14:33 GMT
#255
On February 24 2012 23:28 Huragius wrote:
I am quite convinced that Idra can no longer be a top player (even in foreign scene). In BETA his mechanics were the only thing which made him one of the best players (and all thanks to his BW background) but now he is slowly fading away. His mental strength is close to nothing and it can be easily seen in Idra's BoX matches against equally skilled or even better players. After losing like one game he totally collapses and starts all-in'ing and throwing games away. If you want to be a winner, you have to have a mindset of a winner. And Idra simply does not have it.

I think you're blowing this way out of proportion again... He was down 0-2 because of cheese on the zerg maps, and had only terran maps left to play. Besides, as he said, it was only a showmatch he was asked to play a couple hours before.

I guess we'll see later today, at MLG Winter Arena
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
February 24 2012 14:34 GMT
#256
I know this is not a common sentiment... but I agree with Idra how the games would not have been exciting anyways. You all rage on Idra for 6 pooling, but it was Alive who was doing the typical boring terran all-ins weve been seeing for well over a year. That is extremely boring to me. I guess I am in the minority, but I don't enjoy watching almost every Terran in Korea doing boring pre 8 minute all in coin flips.
Olsson
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden931 Posts
February 24 2012 14:37 GMT
#257
So fucking spot on with his balance analysis.
Naniwa <3
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
February 24 2012 14:44 GMT
#258
On February 24 2012 23:25 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 23:06 mostevil wrote:
Wait, what, are we still calling bunker openers are cheese, and now helions too..... 11/11 is scoutable, can be held and needs to do damage. It's a poor situation where terrans have to sit back and let zerg make drones for 10 minutes and then play from way behind. Top terrans vs Idra it might put even but zergs with better army control should never lose playing this 10mins no rush daftness...
Six pool by all means if you want but if that reasoning actually is honest (which I doubt), it's not intelligent or mature.

2 rax isn't cheese, but 11/11 is imo. hellions aretn't cheese, but 2 reactor mass hellion is. His reasoning was pretty acceptable imo. If Alive doesn't want to show good games and entertain, why the hell should he? Besides, as he said, coming back from a 0-2, getting cheesed on the zerg maps, against a player like fucking Alive...? Not a chance



First of all, that 'entertaining games' card is bullshit to me. Some cheeses or all-ins are totally fine in Bo7 series and even makes it more fun for viewers. And when a professional player starts to complain about all-ins due to which he decided not to take showmatch serious makes me want to cry and laugh at same time. If Idra tried to play those last matches like a real man, who knows, maybe these series would have turned out to be quite a showmatch but when he threw it away the whole event seemed like shit. So even if he complained about Alive's cheeses, what he did was way worse.

Also, I think (I may be wrong, but who knows!) that actually playing the last two games would have given Idra a better chance two win the series instead of throwing them away...
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
February 24 2012 14:46 GMT
#259
On February 24 2012 23:33 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 23:28 Huragius wrote:
I am quite convinced that Idra can no longer be a top player (even in foreign scene). In BETA his mechanics were the only thing which made him one of the best players (and all thanks to his BW background) but now he is slowly fading away. His mental strength is close to nothing and it can be easily seen in Idra's BoX matches against equally skilled or even better players. After losing like one game he totally collapses and starts all-in'ing and throwing games away. If you want to be a winner, you have to have a mindset of a winner. And Idra simply does not have it.

I think you're blowing this way out of proportion again... He was down 0-2 because of cheese on the zerg maps, and had only terran maps left to play. Besides, as he said, it was only a showmatch he was asked to play a couple hours before.

I guess we'll see later today, at MLG Winter Arena


I am talking about his overall performances in late 2011 and 2012, not specifically this showmatch.
yann
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
119 Posts
February 24 2012 14:47 GMT
#260
On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty.

yeah, exactly my words. This was a good interview. Im not an Idra fan but he is very honest in this interview - especially about PvZ.
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