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On February 24 2012 18:20 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:10 Zooper31 wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. Alive started the cheesing, he just ended it with cheesing. If anything Alive is at fault for showing Idra he didn't care about the showmatch and that good games weren't going to be shown so he decided to not waste his time. "It's aLive's fault for upsetting IdrA's fragile mental balance and making him tilt, IdrA himself is not to blame." Can't people be responsible for their own actions anymore?
I didn't acuse Idra of tilting. He was totally willing to go into this game to show good matches and entertain fans since it's a showmatch. 2 games in and Alive is going balls to the wall all-ins and shows he gives a fuck about entertaining anyone at long as he wins. Idra's like, ok bro lets play that game and proceeds to cheese right back. What is wrong with that? I can prob gurantee if Alive won both those games by playing normal than Idra wouldn't have cheesed the way he did because at least the games were entertaining and lasted longer than 5min.
Amazing no one hates on Alive for cheesing twice in a row but they all hate on Idra for doing it.
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On February 24 2012 18:23 nokz88 wrote:
The amount of people in this thread blaming Alive of all people for doing nothing but winning, is highly alarming.
There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account:
1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches)
2. WIN, using every tool available to you
...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake.
If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it.
If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it.
If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point.
If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money.
Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available.
What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game?
I salute you sir.
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I think he needs to shake the mentality of "if I fall behind, then loss." Watching the VOD of + Show Spoiler +EG vs. Liquid (do I need to spoiler something that's featured on the news page?), Idra fell behind pretty quickly on some poor ling management. He was obviously pretty far behind but like...
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On February 24 2012 18:36 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:20 Grumbels wrote:On February 24 2012 18:10 Zooper31 wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. Alive started the cheesing, he just ended it with cheesing. If anything Alive is at fault for showing Idra he didn't care about the showmatch and that good games weren't going to be shown so he decided to not waste his time. "It's aLive's fault for upsetting IdrA's fragile mental balance and making him tilt, IdrA himself is not to blame." Can't people be responsible for their own actions anymore? I didn't acuse Idra of tilting. He was totally willing to go into this game to show good matches and entertain fans since it's a showmatch. 2 games in and Alive is going balls to the wall all-ins and shows he gives a fuck about entertaining anyone at long as he wins. Idra's like, ok bro lets play that game and proceeds to cheese right back. What is wrong with that? I can prob gurantee if Alive won both those games by playing normal than Idra wouldn't have cheesed the way he did because at least the games were entertaining and lasted longer than 5min. Amazing no one hates on Alive for cheesing twice in a row but they all hate on Idra for doing it.
Are you totally out of touch? Alive's cheeses were legitimately decent strats, capable of winning games or at least doing enough damage to allow the game to go forward should it be killed. Idra ditn cheese, idra just threw the games.
I wasnt overly bothered about him throwing the games, show matches are mostly dull affairs anyway (personal opinion). But folk on here trying to lay some blame on alive are bugging me lol.
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On February 24 2012 12:54 ThomasHobbes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:51 TrickyGilligan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. It's not IdrA's job to entertain you. It is IdrA's job to win tournaments and if he had no chance of beating Alive then he might as well six pool. Except Idra specifically said it was his job to entertain, because he accused Alive of coin-flipping rather than playing entertaining games. Or do you know Idra's job better than he does? Idra was under the impression that "entertainment" was the point of the show-match. He took Alive's response to mean that wasn't the case, and threw away the rest of the games.
yea sure, idra thought it was for pure entertainment.
if entertainment only means "15 minutes no rush" then he really can be upset.
seriously, the game is not in beta anymore where showmatches had a purpose of showing stuff.
no one wants to see someone go for a battlecruiser rush if u clearly can see it's not a good choice and he doesen't care.
that's fun for a very short time.
who truly likes to watch exhibition games in real sports ?
if they just play for fun it's the most boring stuff for the most part.
to bring people a show, there has to be something serious in it.
the more serious, the better the show.
that's why there was prize money in it.
and idra is talking like it was no big deal for him.
but you clearly could see that he was raging, now he is just playing it down.
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On February 24 2012 18:23 nokz88 wrote:
The amount of people in this thread blaming Alive of all people for doing nothing but winning, is highly alarming.
There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account:
1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches)
2. WIN, using every tool available to you
...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake.
If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it.
If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it.
If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point.
If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money.
Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available.
What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game?
Alive called heads twice and it landed both times, Idra called tails the next two times and it continued to land on heads, simple as that. Builds like double reactor hellion and 6 pool are coin flip builds. You either win or you don't. I don't really recall the last time Idra has said Terran is OP in the past couple months either.
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On February 24 2012 18:39 Jarree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:23 nokz88 wrote:
The amount of people in this thread blaming Alive of all people for doing nothing but winning, is highly alarming.
There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account:
1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches)
2. WIN, using every tool available to you
...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake.
If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it.
If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it.
If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point.
If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money.
Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available.
What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game? I salute you sir.
Seconded, those are exactly my thoughts. Funny how IdrA believes executing cheese versus him equals flipping a coin. History has proven time and time again it's a viable strategy when used against him. And I don't like how he calls a $400 match "just a showmatch", seems somewhat disrespectful towards organizer and sponsors. Sad part is he does draw a lot of viewers so he can get away with crap like this 
On February 24 2012 18:46 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:23 nokz88 wrote:
The amount of people in this thread blaming Alive of all people for doing nothing but winning, is highly alarming.
There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account:
1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches)
2. WIN, using every tool available to you
...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake.
If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it.
If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it.
If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point.
If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money.
Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available.
What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game? Alive called heads twice and it landed both times, Idra called tails the next two times and it continued to land on heads, simple as that. Builds like double reactor hellion and 6 pool are coin flip builds. You either win or you don't. I don't really recall the last time Idra has said Terran is OP in the past couple months either.
Get real. You cannot compare 6 pool to a 2 base mass Hellion build. 6 pool isn't a coinflip, it's throwing a game away.
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On February 24 2012 18:46 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:23 nokz88 wrote:
The amount of people in this thread blaming Alive of all people for doing nothing but winning, is highly alarming.
There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account:
1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches)
2. WIN, using every tool available to you
...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake.
If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it.
If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it.
If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point.
If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money.
Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available.
What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game? Alive called heads twice and it landed both times, Idra called tails the next two times and it continued to land on heads, simple as that. Builds like double reactor hellion and 6 pool are coin flip builds. You either win or you don't. I don't really recall the last time Idra has said Terran is OP in the past couple months either.
Yeah he hasn't lol. I rarely see zergs (pro zergs) say terran is imbalanced just protoss lately  (drg/nestea/idra not just idra).
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Ahhhhh the old coin flip excuse. I was wondering which "Idra excuse" would come up in this interview. Thanks.
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On February 24 2012 18:46 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:39 Jarree wrote:On February 24 2012 18:23 nokz88 wrote:
The amount of people in this thread blaming Alive of all people for doing nothing but winning, is highly alarming.
There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account:
1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches)
2. WIN, using every tool available to you
...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake.
If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it.
If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it.
If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point.
If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money.
Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available.
What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game? I salute you sir. Seconded, those are exactly my thoughts. Funny how IdrA believes executing cheese versus him equals flipping a coin. History has proven time and time again it's a viable strategy when used against him. And I don't like how he calls a $400 match "just a showmatch", seems somewhat disrespectful towards organizer and sponsors. Sad part is he does draw a lot of viewers so he can get away with crap like this Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:46 Phobbers wrote:On February 24 2012 18:23 nokz88 wrote:
The amount of people in this thread blaming Alive of all people for doing nothing but winning, is highly alarming.
There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account:
1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches)
2. WIN, using every tool available to you
...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake.
If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it.
If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it.
If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point.
If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money.
Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available.
What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game? Alive called heads twice and it landed both times, Idra called tails the next two times and it continued to land on heads, simple as that. Builds like double reactor hellion and 6 pool are coin flip builds. You either win or you don't. I don't really recall the last time Idra has said Terran is OP in the past couple months either. Get real. You cannot compare 6 pool to a 2 base mass Hellion build. 6 pool isn't a coinflip, it's throwing a game away.
Better tell that to FXOLucky then. He is pretty good at making 6 pool look like a decent strat when he beats people like MMA 2-0 with it. Get real.
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On February 24 2012 18:45 kinglemon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 12:54 ThomasHobbes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:51 TrickyGilligan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. It's not IdrA's job to entertain you. It is IdrA's job to win tournaments and if he had no chance of beating Alive then he might as well six pool. Except Idra specifically said it was his job to entertain, because he accused Alive of coin-flipping rather than playing entertaining games. Or do you know Idra's job better than he does? Idra was under the impression that "entertainment" was the point of the show-match. He took Alive's response to mean that wasn't the case, and threw away the rest of the games. yea sure, idra thought it was for pure entertainment. if entertainment only means "15 minutes no rush" then he really can be upset. seriously, the game is not in beta anymore where showmatches had a purpose of showing stuff. no one wants to see someone go for a battlecruiser rush if u clearly can see it's not a good choice and he doesen't care. that's fun for a very short time. who truly likes to watch exhibition games in real sports ? if they just play for fun it's the most boring stuff for the most part. to bring people a show, there has to be something serious in it. the more serious, the better the show. that's why there was prize money in it. and idra is talking like it was no big deal for him. but you clearly could see that he was raging, now he is just playing it down.
Theres this crazy term called showmatch. Its pretty much meant to entertain fans, win or lose.
If you're going to all in 2 games in a row, then you clearly don't care about entertaining fans.
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On February 24 2012 18:46 Phobbers wrote:
Alive called heads twice and it landed both times, Idra called tails the next two times and it continued to land on heads, simple as that. Builds like double reactor hellion and 6 pool are coin flip builds. You either win or you don't. I don't really recall the last time Idra has said Terran is OP in the past couple months either.
People like you who compare 2 base Reactor hellion to 6 pool serve as a constant reminder that there are still plenty of people on this forum who have absolutely no clue about Starcraft.
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On February 24 2012 18:53 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:46 Phobbers wrote:
Alive called heads twice and it landed both times, Idra called tails the next two times and it continued to land on heads, simple as that. Builds like double reactor hellion and 6 pool are coin flip builds. You either win or you don't. I don't really recall the last time Idra has said Terran is OP in the past couple months either. People like you who compare 2 base Reactor hellion to 6 pool serve as a constant reminder that there are still plenty of people on this forum who have absolutely no clue about Starcraft.
Yeah I don't know anything about Starcraft, never really played it. I know a tad bit about Starcraft 2 though.
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Wouldn't say that that was a good enough of an excuse, it was still just a showmatch
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On February 24 2012 18:52 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:45 kinglemon wrote:On February 24 2012 12:54 ThomasHobbes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:51 TrickyGilligan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. It's not IdrA's job to entertain you. It is IdrA's job to win tournaments and if he had no chance of beating Alive then he might as well six pool. Except Idra specifically said it was his job to entertain, because he accused Alive of coin-flipping rather than playing entertaining games. Or do you know Idra's job better than he does? Idra was under the impression that "entertainment" was the point of the show-match. He took Alive's response to mean that wasn't the case, and threw away the rest of the games. yea sure, idra thought it was for pure entertainment. if entertainment only means "15 minutes no rush" then he really can be upset. seriously, the game is not in beta anymore where showmatches had a purpose of showing stuff. no one wants to see someone go for a battlecruiser rush if u clearly can see it's not a good choice and he doesen't care. that's fun for a very short time. who truly likes to watch exhibition games in real sports ? if they just play for fun it's the most boring stuff for the most part. to bring people a show, there has to be something serious in it. the more serious, the better the show. that's why there was prize money in it. and idra is talking like it was no big deal for him. but you clearly could see that he was raging, now he is just playing it down. Theres this crazy term called showmatch. Its pretty much meant to entertain fans, win or lose. If you're going to all in 2 games in a row, then you clearly don't care about entertaining fans.
So, in short, you want to see NR15 matches? My idea of entertainment is kinda like MMA vs DongRaeGu Blizzard Cup finals, where well executed rush games keep things on suspense, and macro games are created not by a goddamn agreement, but by incredible ability from both parties to hold aggressive play.
Lemme correct that statement you made
If you're going to lose 4 games in a row, 2 by failing to stop an allin and 2 by failing your own cheese, then you clearly don't have the ability to entertain the fans.
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On February 24 2012 18:52 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:45 kinglemon wrote:On February 24 2012 12:54 ThomasHobbes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:51 TrickyGilligan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. It's not IdrA's job to entertain you. It is IdrA's job to win tournaments and if he had no chance of beating Alive then he might as well six pool. Except Idra specifically said it was his job to entertain, because he accused Alive of coin-flipping rather than playing entertaining games. Or do you know Idra's job better than he does? Idra was under the impression that "entertainment" was the point of the show-match. He took Alive's response to mean that wasn't the case, and threw away the rest of the games. yea sure, idra thought it was for pure entertainment. if entertainment only means "15 minutes no rush" then he really can be upset. seriously, the game is not in beta anymore where showmatches had a purpose of showing stuff. no one wants to see someone go for a battlecruiser rush if u clearly can see it's not a good choice and he doesen't care. that's fun for a very short time. who truly likes to watch exhibition games in real sports ? if they just play for fun it's the most boring stuff for the most part. to bring people a show, there has to be something serious in it. the more serious, the better the show. that's why there was prize money in it. and idra is talking like it was no big deal for him. but you clearly could see that he was raging, now he is just playing it down. Theres this crazy term called showmatch. Its pretty much meant to entertain fans, win or lose. If you're going to all in 2 games in a row, then you clearly don't care about entertaining fans.
then those fans clearly don't understand the game.
cheesing is part of it, and it is super important it's in it.
and you basically have 2 options:
- a game where both people play with every legal option they got to win because they want to win
- a game where both people don't really care
u really think the second one is more entertaining ?
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On February 24 2012 19:07 kinglemon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:52 Cloud9157 wrote:On February 24 2012 18:45 kinglemon wrote:On February 24 2012 12:54 ThomasHobbes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:51 TrickyGilligan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. It's not IdrA's job to entertain you. It is IdrA's job to win tournaments and if he had no chance of beating Alive then he might as well six pool. Except Idra specifically said it was his job to entertain, because he accused Alive of coin-flipping rather than playing entertaining games. Or do you know Idra's job better than he does? Idra was under the impression that "entertainment" was the point of the show-match. He took Alive's response to mean that wasn't the case, and threw away the rest of the games. yea sure, idra thought it was for pure entertainment. if entertainment only means "15 minutes no rush" then he really can be upset. seriously, the game is not in beta anymore where showmatches had a purpose of showing stuff. no one wants to see someone go for a battlecruiser rush if u clearly can see it's not a good choice and he doesen't care. that's fun for a very short time. who truly likes to watch exhibition games in real sports ? if they just play for fun it's the most boring stuff for the most part. to bring people a show, there has to be something serious in it. the more serious, the better the show. that's why there was prize money in it. and idra is talking like it was no big deal for him. but you clearly could see that he was raging, now he is just playing it down. Theres this crazy term called showmatch. Its pretty much meant to entertain fans, win or lose. If you're going to all in 2 games in a row, then you clearly don't care about entertaining fans. then those fans clearly don't understand the game. cheesing is part of it, and it is super important it's in it. and you basically have 2 options: - a game where both people play with every legal option they got to win because they want to win - a game where both people don't really care u really think the second one is more entertaining ?
The irony is amazing because the only reason Idra 6pooled is because he didn't really care.
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Dear god this thread is incredibly full of stupid.
Alive is an excellent player and hes willing to take risks, a player like that is very hard to beat and given the map pool I didn’t think I had a realistic chance of coming back from down 0-2. The games weren’t gonna be entertaining if he just wanted to flip coins anyway, so I just 6 pooled to get it over, one way or the other.
DongRaeGu would like to have a word with you, IdrA.
On February 24 2012 09:18 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:17 Devolved wrote:
So in other words, he threw the games because he was behind in the series and didn't think he could come back. And besides, it was just a showmatch so who cares anyway. Stay classy, Idra. No it was because aLive wanted to win instead of showing good matches. Korean mentality and all ...
You are implying that playing to win is a bad mentality for show matches. What? You are saying, in essence, that Starcraft 2 is not a fun game to watch if both players play to win. Do you realize how little sense that makes?
On February 24 2012 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
i agree with idra. alive's play was just not entertaining.
Watching succesfull, well executed all-ins can be VERY entertaining. Watching IdrA die a horrible death because he is NOT PLAYING WELL isn't entertaining, but thats IdrAs fault, not aLives. Watching six-pools also isnt entertaining, because six-pooling simply put almost never works, whereas good cheese can work quite well. Like naniwas proberush, sixpooling works only if your opponent is completely brain-dead. Not entertaining. Learn the difference between entertaining cheese and stupid "I just want to get over with it"-cheese.
In all fairness, aLive cheesed him twice which isn't much more entertaining than two sixpools. I'm not saying IdrA should have done it, we shouldn't condemn him for it.
Boxer would like to have a word with you.
Cheese can be entertaining. sixpools not so much.
Well I think the point he was making was that ALive decided to Cheese Games 1 and 2. He put winning the series above showing good games aka Not cheesing both games.
Again, what the hell? If Starcraft 2 would only provide entertainment when the players WEREN'T trying to win at all costs, what kind of shitty game would Starcraft 2 be? Why the hell would you be watching it?
Naniwa probe rushs: oh well game didnt amtter anyway and he was tired
Stephano forfiets: well it was late he was tired
IdrA 6 pools: WTF how can people do this? IdrA is so terrible GRRRRRRR
Naniwas proberush was the most commentated thing for over a week. People like Alex Garfield wrote good and detailed posts about why the proberush was wrong. Don't twist the facts to make IdrA look good. IdrA receives FAR less flak for his shitty behaviour than either Stephano or Naniwa do. Naniwa was revoked his chance to play in Code S for christs sake! History revisionism at its best.
love the double standard, it was a showmatch that didnt matter wheres the entertainment in watching alive all-in every game? none
The entertainment would be there if IdrA WOULD LEARN TO DEFEND CHEESE.
It's not IdrA's job to entertain you. It is IdrA's job to win tournaments and if he had no chance of beating Alive then he might as well six pool.
WRONG.
That's not how e-sports work, kiddo. It is IdrAs job to win tournaments because the tournaments give him money. These tournaments make money by having paying customers. These paying customers (thats us, genius) want to be entertained, or they (we) won't dish out money for the tournament. In other words, IT IS IDRAS JOB TO ENTERTAIN ME.
Stop making shitty excuses for IdrAs shitty behavior. Its shameful.
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Short and sweet interview. Idra brings forth some good points about the ZvP match up. I'm just really glad to hear that he thinks that things have gone over the top lately, its the internet, people will always overreact :>
GL with MLG
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On February 24 2012 19:03 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 18:52 Cloud9157 wrote:On February 24 2012 18:45 kinglemon wrote:On February 24 2012 12:54 ThomasHobbes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:51 TrickyGilligan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. It's not IdrA's job to entertain you. It is IdrA's job to win tournaments and if he had no chance of beating Alive then he might as well six pool. Except Idra specifically said it was his job to entertain, because he accused Alive of coin-flipping rather than playing entertaining games. Or do you know Idra's job better than he does? Idra was under the impression that "entertainment" was the point of the show-match. He took Alive's response to mean that wasn't the case, and threw away the rest of the games. yea sure, idra thought it was for pure entertainment. if entertainment only means "15 minutes no rush" then he really can be upset. seriously, the game is not in beta anymore where showmatches had a purpose of showing stuff. no one wants to see someone go for a battlecruiser rush if u clearly can see it's not a good choice and he doesen't care. that's fun for a very short time. who truly likes to watch exhibition games in real sports ? if they just play for fun it's the most boring stuff for the most part. to bring people a show, there has to be something serious in it. the more serious, the better the show. that's why there was prize money in it. and idra is talking like it was no big deal for him. but you clearly could see that he was raging, now he is just playing it down. Theres this crazy term called showmatch. Its pretty much meant to entertain fans, win or lose. If you're going to all in 2 games in a row, then you clearly don't care about entertaining fans. So, in short, you want to see NR15 matches? My idea of entertainment is kinda like MMA vs DongRaeGu Blizzard Cup finals, where well executed rush games keep things on suspense, and macro games are created not by a goddamn agreement, but by incredible ability from both parties to hold aggressive play. Lemme correct that statement you made If you're going to lose 4 games in a row, 2 by failing to stop an allin and 2 by failing your own cheese, then you clearly don't have the ability to entertain the fans.
Ask yourself:
Which is more entertaining? 4 macro games, or 4 rushes/all ins/cheese? Pretty sure I'll take macro.
I'm still not sure why you would do 2 all ins in a row. I can understand 1, but really, why not just go for the macro game?
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