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On February 24 2012 13:27 Gamegene wrote:
"The ghost change is too much in that it will force bio based play to revolve around mid game allins. If zerg gets to broodlord infestor on a good economy while you’re playing bio, you will lose if zerg executes properly. However this will, sooner or later, cause terrans to rediscover turtle mech play which is even stronger on most maps than ghost based play."
Wow you know a patch is bad when IdrA thinks nerfing Terran is extreme.
But he can't quite bring himself to go all the way with it and has to add that this nerf will force terrans to discover their other, more OP strategies and in the end it will be proven once and for all that zerg is underpowered and IdrA is actually one of the best players in the world and he'd be a contender for GSL champion every season with a different race.
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Wow, even Idra thinks the ghost nerf was too much. Also, I'm a bit surprised by the lack of attention given this issue. No wonder terran keeps getting nerfed every patch. No one cares.
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On February 24 2012 13:30 The KY wrote:
But he can't quite bring himself to go all the way with it and has to add that this nerf will force terrans to discover their other, more OP strategies and in the end it will be proven once and for all that zerg is underpowered and IdrA is actually one of the best players in the world and he'd be a contender for GSL champion every season with a different race.
I can't tell if you're trolling me or if you're serious. Either way 10/10.
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I can believe that they played the showmatch beforehand then cast them a couple days later.
I don't get this whole mentality he has tho. Its the thing that keeps him from doing good.
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On February 24 2012 13:41 Jisall wrote:
I can believe that they played the showmatch beforehand then cast them a couple days later.
I don't get this whole mentality he has tho. Its the thing that keeps him from doing good.
Yeah man, having an entire online community expect you to win every single tournament and ridicule you for losing games vs good players, not to mention having to compete against the best starcraft players (Koreans) for a living.
Pfffft. It's so simple: he should just get over it!
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good old idra will he ever be happy with the balence of the game.... he has been crying about ghost forever you give them a huge nerf and he shrugs it off has so what mech is still op.
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On February 24 2012 13:51 IamPryda wrote:
good old idra will he ever be happy with the balence of the game.... he has been crying about ghost forever you give them a huge nerf and he shrugs it off has so what mech is still op.
"However this will, sooner or later, cause terrans to rediscover turtle mech play which is even stronger on most maps than ghost based play."
Mech is stronger than ghost based play on most maps != Mech OP.
You couldn't have possibly derived that conclusion from this interview. Except you did, somehow.
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On February 24 2012 13:36 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:30 The KY wrote:
But he can't quite bring himself to go all the way with it and has to add that this nerf will force terrans to discover their other, more OP strategies and in the end it will be proven once and for all that zerg is underpowered and IdrA is actually one of the best players in the world and he'd be a contender for GSL champion every season with a different race. I can't tell if you're trolling me or if you're serious. Either way 10/10.
Oh man no way am I serious :D I just like to remember a time in the youth of SC2 when IdrA pretty clearly considered himself head and shoulders above every foreigner and everyone still agreed with him that zerg was UP. And now zerg is fine and we all know it, but he's still not winning everything so he just clings, desperately clings, to that little bit left in his brain that still tells him that it's just because he plays the weakest race.
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On February 24 2012 11:22 emc wrote:
he actually thinks phoenix +2 range will be viable in pro league? what a joke...
I think you completely misunderstood what IdrA was saying. IdrA was saying that Mutalisks are a mid-game threat to Protoss and the new Phoenix upgrade is not available in the mid-game so the patch does not affect this in any way. So the only thing thing that this new Phoenix upgrades serves to do is make the Protoss late-game army stronger, which I assume IdrA belives doesn't need to be done.
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On February 24 2012 13:30 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:27 Gamegene wrote:
"The ghost change is too much in that it will force bio based play to revolve around mid game allins. If zerg gets to broodlord infestor on a good economy while you’re playing bio, you will lose if zerg executes properly. However this will, sooner or later, cause terrans to rediscover turtle mech play which is even stronger on most maps than ghost based play."
Wow you know a patch is bad when IdrA thinks nerfing Terran is extreme. But he can't quite bring himself to go all the way with it and has to add that this nerf will force terrans to discover their other, more OP strategies and in the end it will be proven once and for all that zerg is underpowered and IdrA is actually one of the best players in the world and he'd be a contender for GSL champion every season with a different race.
I do agree that there seems to be some balance whine subtext there, but you gotta give the man credit where credit is due. He was championing the Ghost in late-game TvZ long before any of the Terrans were using it. So if IdrA says that turtle mech is going to be strong in TvZ, I wouldn't be suprised if he's right.
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About the Showmatch:
All 4 games sucked imo. I was very disappointed as a fan of my favourite matchup and of IdrA's. Buuuut what can you do?
Pretty much everybody agrees with what IdrA said regarding the patch, though. And a lot of people seem to agree with his assessment of the ZvP matchup as well.
This was a really good interview, with really good questions and answers imo. I'm happy. 
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The phoenix thing is pretty true. Holding on to mutas for too long is definitely not what you want to do as zerg, they're a tool allowing you to get ahead in economy while zoning the toss in mid game.
Lategame is, I guess, where most of the issues lie among these matchups. Either you have vortex and manage a good archons toilet and broodfestor is fucked or you don't and zerg has an advantage. Same can be said for terran with ghosts - either sniper is really powerful, or not enough. Of course it isn't as simple as I'm putting it, but if the game is totally even, the dynamic of the lategame army clash seems pretty one dimensional.
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On February 24 2012 09:37 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:32 Forikorder wrote:
Naniwa probe rushs: oh well game didnt amtter anyway and he was tired
Stephano forfiets: well it was late he was tired
IdrA 6 pools: WTF how can people do this? IdrA is so terrible GRRRRRRR
love the double standard, it was a showmatch that didnt matter wheres the entertainment in watching alive all-in every game? none Naniwa received a way bigger backlash. Stephano arguably received an equivalent backlash, you just don't hear about it as much as anything IdrA related, generally. There's no double standard.
That itself is a double standard
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Well he has a point. It was a showmatch and then aLive doing dumb all-in after all-in ruined it already.
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Alive did not cheese Idra, and it was not even a full allin. Idra was just pissed and decided to be disrespectful to the fans. Sad to see such attitude tbh.
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Who cares about the ALive - showmatch thing, Idra! just said
The ghost change is too much in that it will force bio based play to revolve around mid game allins. If zerg gets to broodlord infestor on a good economy while you’re playing bio, you will lose if zerg executes properly.
Thats the final confimation that these terran nerf is just silly! Its like the pope comes to town and says "well maybe the devil is a nicer guy then i thought". Thats awesome!
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aLive does 11/11 bunker rush first game, double reactor second game - nobody gives a fuck
IdrA decides that if aLive is gonna do coinflip builds in the showmatch he might aswell fuck it, clearly aLive wasn't very caring of the viewers, thus IdrA couldn't be arsed to do so neither so he decided to coinflip aswell. TeamLiquid goes rampant about it.... standard lol.
Also, what IdrA says about his recent results is very true, just because he's not winning everything doesn't mean he's suddenly bad, that's ridicolous. Is ThorZaIN bad too now because he hasn't won anything notable since TSL3?
On February 24 2012 11:22 emc wrote:
he really hates protoss
he thinks terran mech is unbeatable
he actually thinks phoenix +2 range will be viable in pro league? what a joke...
I don't know what to take away from this, one moment he is confident the other he QQs
If this is all you got from this interview then you must've been dropped as a child...
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I think idra sounded more mentally balanced in this interview then usual. Might just be me though, but he does have a point about playing to win and agression.
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