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I find the most amusing part about IdrA to be some of his fans. ("DAMN HIM FOR PLAYING TO WIN!" what?)
Also Sixpooling twice because the games did not matter because it was a showmatch is horseshit. Why cant he just do something off the rails instead to give the fans a good show, something like Boxer has done in the past. But nay, its not like the matchs only purpose was to put on a show to give fans some content, it does not matter, right?
Sigh. Tough times to be a fan of IdrA.
Edit: Oh and as a terran player PvZ is the most boring matchup ever even from a clueless perspective. ZvZ and PvP at least have some moments of hardcore micro. I really aggre with him that the MU is bad.
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On February 24 2012 12:24 Hypemeup wrote:
I find the most amusing part about IdrA to be some of his fans. ("DAMN HIM FOR PLAYING TO WIN!" what?)
Also Sixpooling twice because the games did not matter because it was a showmatch is horseshit. Why cant he just do something off the rails instead to give the fans a good show, something like Boxer has done in the past. But nay, its not like the matchs only purpose was to put on a show to give fans some content, it does not matter, right?
Sigh. Tough times to be a fan of IdrA.
Edit: Oh and as a terran player PvZ is the most boring matchup ever even from a clueless perspective. ZvZ and PvP at least have some moments of hardcore micro. I really aggre with him that the MU is bad.
You say this as if a proxy 2rax and a double reactor Hellion build was fun to watch and IdrA was the only one playing a poor showmatch series.
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On February 24 2012 12:29 Enhancer_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 12:24 Hypemeup wrote:
I find the most amusing part about IdrA to be some of his fans. ("DAMN HIM FOR PLAYING TO WIN!" what?)
Also Sixpooling twice because the games did not matter because it was a showmatch is horseshit. Why cant he just do something off the rails instead to give the fans a good show, something like Boxer has done in the past. But nay, its not like the matchs only purpose was to put on a show to give fans some content, it does not matter, right?
Sigh. Tough times to be a fan of IdrA.
Edit: Oh and as a terran player PvZ is the most boring matchup ever even from a clueless perspective. ZvZ and PvP at least have some moments of hardcore micro. I really aggre with him that the MU is bad. You say this as if a proxy 2rax and a double reactor Hellion build was fun to watch and IdrA was the only one playing a poor showmatch series.
Diffrence is the cheese Alive used has chance to win against someone who is not braindead.
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On February 24 2012 12:32 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 12:29 Enhancer_ wrote:On February 24 2012 12:24 Hypemeup wrote:
I find the most amusing part about IdrA to be some of his fans. ("DAMN HIM FOR PLAYING TO WIN!" what?)
Also Sixpooling twice because the games did not matter because it was a showmatch is horseshit. Why cant he just do something off the rails instead to give the fans a good show, something like Boxer has done in the past. But nay, its not like the matchs only purpose was to put on a show to give fans some content, it does not matter, right?
Sigh. Tough times to be a fan of IdrA.
Edit: Oh and as a terran player PvZ is the most boring matchup ever even from a clueless perspective. ZvZ and PvP at least have some moments of hardcore micro. I really aggre with him that the MU is bad. You say this as if a proxy 2rax and a double reactor Hellion build was fun to watch and IdrA was the only one playing a poor showmatch series. Diffrence is the cheese Alive used has chance to win against someone who is not braindead.
and a double reactor hellion build is much much less cheesy then a 6pool
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On February 24 2012 12:33 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 12:32 Hypemeup wrote:On February 24 2012 12:29 Enhancer_ wrote:On February 24 2012 12:24 Hypemeup wrote:
I find the most amusing part about IdrA to be some of his fans. ("DAMN HIM FOR PLAYING TO WIN!" what?)
Also Sixpooling twice because the games did not matter because it was a showmatch is horseshit. Why cant he just do something off the rails instead to give the fans a good show, something like Boxer has done in the past. But nay, its not like the matchs only purpose was to put on a show to give fans some content, it does not matter, right?
Sigh. Tough times to be a fan of IdrA.
Edit: Oh and as a terran player PvZ is the most boring matchup ever even from a clueless perspective. ZvZ and PvP at least have some moments of hardcore micro. I really aggre with him that the MU is bad. You say this as if a proxy 2rax and a double reactor Hellion build was fun to watch and IdrA was the only one playing a poor showmatch series. Diffrence is the cheese Alive used has chance to win against someone who is not braindead. and a double reactor hellion build is much much less cheesy then a 6pool
Not at all, but it is not a autoloss. Cant recall the last time I saw a 6pool work in a progame. Closest I can remember is IdrA vs Jinro.
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On February 24 2012 12:32 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 12:29 Enhancer_ wrote:On February 24 2012 12:24 Hypemeup wrote:
I find the most amusing part about IdrA to be some of his fans. ("DAMN HIM FOR PLAYING TO WIN!" what?)
Also Sixpooling twice because the games did not matter because it was a showmatch is horseshit. Why cant he just do something off the rails instead to give the fans a good show, something like Boxer has done in the past. But nay, its not like the matchs only purpose was to put on a show to give fans some content, it does not matter, right?
Sigh. Tough times to be a fan of IdrA.
Edit: Oh and as a terran player PvZ is the most boring matchup ever even from a clueless perspective. ZvZ and PvP at least have some moments of hardcore micro. I really aggre with him that the MU is bad. You say this as if a proxy 2rax and a double reactor Hellion build was fun to watch and IdrA was the only one playing a poor showmatch series. Diffrence is the cheese Alive used has chance to win against someone who is not braindead.
I never really said anything about the viability of the builds, but that's nice I suppose?
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On February 24 2012 12:36 Enhancer_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 12:32 Hypemeup wrote:On February 24 2012 12:29 Enhancer_ wrote:On February 24 2012 12:24 Hypemeup wrote:
I find the most amusing part about IdrA to be some of his fans. ("DAMN HIM FOR PLAYING TO WIN!" what?)
Also Sixpooling twice because the games did not matter because it was a showmatch is horseshit. Why cant he just do something off the rails instead to give the fans a good show, something like Boxer has done in the past. But nay, its not like the matchs only purpose was to put on a show to give fans some content, it does not matter, right?
Sigh. Tough times to be a fan of IdrA.
Edit: Oh and as a terran player PvZ is the most boring matchup ever even from a clueless perspective. ZvZ and PvP at least have some moments of hardcore micro. I really aggre with him that the MU is bad. You say this as if a proxy 2rax and a double reactor Hellion build was fun to watch and IdrA was the only one playing a poor showmatch series. Diffrence is the cheese Alive used has chance to win against someone who is not braindead. I never really said anything about the viability of the builds, but that's nice I suppose?
Missing my point, Alive was playing to win, IdrA threw the games in a obvious way and that is what I have a problem with as a fan.
This is just beating a dead horse anyways.
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Again with the complaints by IdrA. But I don't blame him. Some maps are more favored towards some races and he was just asked to do this random match only with a few hours notice.
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honestly who cares that he cheesed, its his decision to make and he was very open and honest in the interview. He lives a tougher life than people realize, cut him some slack
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What a weak spirit he shows.Giving up so easily.
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On February 24 2012 09:51 TrickyGilligan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote:On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote:
Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. It's not IdrA's job to entertain you. It is IdrA's job to win tournaments and if he had no chance of beating Alive then he might as well six pool. Except Idra specifically said it was his job to entertain, because he accused Alive of coin-flipping rather than playing entertaining games. Or do you know Idra's job better than he does?
Idra was under the impression that "entertainment" was the point of the show-match.
He took Alive's response to mean that wasn't the case, and threw away the rest of the games.
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On February 24 2012 09:58 L_Master wrote:
I just want to remind everyone that Jaedong actually did the same thing vs Flash in a starleague final, going double 4P.
Though it sounds like IdrA's motivation was a little more questionable. He did say he didn't think he would have much chance on the T favored maps, but at the same time he also said he was doing it to "get the match over".
Sounds like a little of both from IdrA. He didn't think he could win on terran favored maps vs alive, so he decided to allin because he has the best chance of that and just picked 6 pool because it would end it the quickest.
You do know that Flash was a greedy player right? Flash would usually blind cc b4 barrick. Thats why Jaedong 4 pool, even he know Flash was a greedy player.
People say it was just a show match. Remember the Global GSL, where Korea didnt take the foreigners seriously and the foreigners looked like they were on par with korea? Remember Nestea was the only person that took the show match seriously. Thats the mindset of a winner..............something which Idra needs.
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On February 24 2012 12:29 Enhancer_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 12:24 Hypemeup wrote:
I find the most amusing part about IdrA to be some of his fans. ("DAMN HIM FOR PLAYING TO WIN!" what?)
Also Sixpooling twice because the games did not matter because it was a showmatch is horseshit. Why cant he just do something off the rails instead to give the fans a good show, something like Boxer has done in the past. But nay, its not like the matchs only purpose was to put on a show to give fans some content, it does not matter, right?
Sigh. Tough times to be a fan of IdrA.
Edit: Oh and as a terran player PvZ is the most boring matchup ever even from a clueless perspective. ZvZ and PvP at least have some moments of hardcore micro. I really aggre with him that the MU is bad. You say this as if a proxy 2rax and a double reactor Hellion build was fun to watch and IdrA was the only one playing a poor showmatch series.
They were certainly more fun to watch then two 6 pools in a row. And plus, if Idra hadn't played so awfully in those first two games, we could have had a decent series.
I'm not going to fault Alive for doing an opener and then killing Idra with it when he sees Idra botch him build.
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Great interview, thanks for the time and effort put into doing these!
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i like idra, but i wonder how many years he's going to complain about "coin flips". maybe he should take a page out of genius' book and just focus on playing really solid, that seemed to work against aLive.
oh wait, that won't work because zerg can't beat terran. never mind.
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well thats typical for idra no suprise on his mind set. But good that he says he is improving and benefits from training with slayers. But that also means as long as he is in korea, we won't see alot of him as he is one of the players that doesn't like cross server.
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A lot of people here seem to think that a good game is a long game. And I completely disagree with that kind of superficial thinking.
To me, a good game is when you see the heart of a fighter. When you can see how hard someone works for the win. This can mean a long game, especially if players are deadlocked due to being equally matched. This can mean a short game because a player is mindgaming to get an advantage. But nevertheless, the game will be scrappy - long or short.
Trying to do everything you can to win (except cheating) and to claw back victory from the jaws of defeat - those are the most inspiring matches to watch.
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How can Idra even call it "coin flips" and blame it on luck? and not on his own lack of skill? Why should aLive purposefully try to play "entertaining" games in a competitive enviorment. Long macro games are not the only games worth watching. Defending and excuting all-ins are very hard to do and create exciting, tense games. If Idra wants to win he needs to practice whatever cheeses and allins players throw at you, not GG without even trying to put up a fight.
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TvZ is just so much more fun to watch then any other match up IMO.
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"The ghost change is too much in that it will force bio based play to revolve around mid game allins. If zerg gets to broodlord infestor on a good economy while you’re playing bio, you will lose if zerg executes properly. However this will, sooner or later, cause terrans to rediscover turtle mech play which is even stronger on most maps than ghost based play."
Wow you know a patch is bad when IdrA thinks nerfing Terran is extreme.
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