EPTI'm hoping he was trolling... if not....
EG.IdrA on the six-pool, MLG Arena, 1.4.3 - Page 10
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
I'm hoping he was trolling... if not.... | ||
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Chaves
Brazil315 Posts
If you wanna use the same argument ... Edit: Now i get it, he ll 6 pool everygame. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On February 24 2012 09:40 architecture wrote: It is more than possible to survive Alive's builds, and take a minimal amount of damage. The only coinflip part is when Idra failed to react and prepare properly and died straightout. Typical Idra - blame the opponent when he fails. Thought everyone knew by now, it's not him it's the "build, game, abuse etc...." | ||
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BadgKat
United States156 Posts
On February 24 2012 09:13 ShiroKaisen wrote: IdrA: He cheesed me successfully on two of the better zerg maps in the pool and it was just a showmatch I was asked to play a few hours beforehand. Alive is an excellent player and hes willing to take risks, a player like that is very hard to beat and given the map pool I didn’t think I had a realistic chance of coming back from down 0-2. The games weren’t gonna be entertaining if he just wanted to flip coins anyway, so I just 6 pooled to get it over, one way or the other. I don't feel like this is a healthy attitude. Shouldn't a player always try to win? I think Idra is obviously talented but thinking like this mires him in the "good for a foreigner" category. Blessed with talent, drive, dedication and a bad attitude. | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On February 24 2012 16:45 sereniity wrote: aLive does 11/11 bunker rush first game, double reactor second game - nobody gives a fuck IdrA decides that if aLive is gonna do coinflip builds in the showmatch he might aswell fuck it, clearly aLive wasn't very caring of the viewers, thus IdrA couldn't be arsed to do so neither so he decided to coinflip aswell. TeamLiquid goes rampant about it.... standard lol. Also, what IdrA says about his recent results is very true, just because he's not winning everything doesn't mean he's suddenly bad, that's ridicolous. Is ThorZaIN bad too now because he hasn't won anything notable since TSL3? Alot of games start of with a 11/11 rush and continues to be a great game, problem is idra just dies to it most of his broadcasted games and leaves early with a gg. I have seen games from losira/leenock and others who have had their hatch die to 11/11 claw their way back into making a actual game that was very entertaining. Problem is idra just gg's so early and combined with the fact his early defence of thoes 2 builds in the game were so horrible you end up with these games as a result. I hate these showmatches should be fun and all, because if idra cant defend any early game pressure, then it ends up in artificial no rush 10 min? | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On February 24 2012 16:45 sereniity wrote: aLive does 11/11 bunker rush first game, double reactor second game - nobody gives a fuck IdrA decides that if aLive is gonna do coinflip builds in the showmatch he might aswell fuck it, clearly aLive wasn't very caring of the viewers, thus IdrA couldn't be arsed to do so neither so he decided to coinflip aswell. TeamLiquid goes rampant about it.... standard lol. Also, what IdrA says about his recent results is very true, just because he's not winning everything doesn't mean he's suddenly bad, that's ridicolous. Is ThorZaIN bad too now because he hasn't won anything notable since TSL3? If this is all you got from this interview then you must've been dropped as a child... Alive didn't counflip, he just won. Idra didn't coinflip, he chose a losing strategy. Isn't this the time where he went 6pool, ALive made his rax in his natural, didn't wall off, and the 6 pool still didn't win? Or was that a different series. And Idra isn't suddenly bad, he's just not really any better or more developed than he was a year ago, everyone else has developed a lot though. Idra seems to play like it's early 2011 still most of the time, which means he's bad. He hasn't got any worse, everyone else just moved on. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
IdrA: He cheesed me successfully on two of the better zerg maps in the pool and it was just a showmatch I was asked to play a few hours beforehand. Alive is an excellent player and hes willing to take risks, a player like that is very hard to beat and given the map pool I didn’t think I had a realistic chance of coming back from down 0-2. The games weren’t gonna be entertaining if he just wanted to flip coins anyway, so I just 6 pooled to get it over, one way or the other. He does all the right moves - analyze his game, praise his opponent, try a rational analysis of the series - but he still hasn't understood the core of the problem: that he's lacking genuine respect for anyone or anything besides himself. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On February 24 2012 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote: i agree with idra. alive's play was just not entertaining. "The games weren’t gonna be entertaining if he just wanted to flip coins anyway, so I just 6 pooled to get it over, one way or the other." He was payed to play dude  If I was offered money to play starcraft I'd at least do something slightly more entertaining/more likely to win | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
woopGG GL | ||
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delayed reflex
Canada358 Posts
On February 24 2012 16:45 sereniity wrote: aLive does 11/11 bunker rush first game, double reactor second game - nobody gives a fuck IdrA decides that if aLive is gonna do coinflip builds in the showmatch he might aswell fuck it, clearly aLive wasn't very caring of the viewers, thus IdrA couldn't be arsed to do so neither so he decided to coinflip aswell. TeamLiquid goes rampant about it.... standard lol. . Except the way IdrA phrases things, it sounds like he went into it 6-pooling expecting to lose. I bet you aLive didn't 2rax or double reactor with the expectation to lose. If IdrA really thought 6-pooling was his most likely chance of getting back into the series he would have said that - instead he said he picked builds that would most likely end the series quicker by him losing. Despite IdrA's skill, he's still got a loser's attitude. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On February 24 2012 17:37 Shockk wrote: He does all the right moves - analyze his game, praise his opponent, try a rational analysis of the series - but he still hasn't understood the core of the problem: that he's lacking genuine respect for anyone or anything besides himself. How is that not genuine respect? That is as respectful as you can get, basically saying: "If alive plays as good as I expect him too, I won't have much of a chance winning." If anything, IdrA has too much respect for his opponents play and never thinks they will make any mistakes. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
Traditionally Korean are more aware of the importance of showcasing good matches, Idra felt aLive didn't and he answered as he saw fit. Nothing to see here, move along. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On February 24 2012 09:23 EMCL wrote: Sure, but then you have to disrespect him in far more quantity for straight up not giving a fuck about viewers entertainment. Really disrespectful to the fans in my opinion for him to just not try "because it's just a showmatch so whatever". Awful attitude, he deserves the poor results he's gotten. Alive started the cheesing, he just ended it with cheesing. If anything Alive is at fault for showing Idra he didn't care about the showmatch and that good games weren't going to be shown so he decided to not waste his time. | ||
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x2fst
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Geo.Rion
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On February 24 2012 18:10 Zooper31 wrote: Alive started the cheesing, he just ended it with cheesing. If anything Alive is at fault for showing Idra he didn't care about the showmatch and that good games weren't going to be shown so he decided to not waste his time. "It's aLive's fault for upsetting IdrA's fragile mental balance and making him tilt, IdrA himself is not to blame." Can't people be responsible for their own actions anymore? | ||
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Huckleuro
United Kingdom294 Posts
People blaming alive for the show match crap are wastes. IdrA got annoyed because he was being beaten by AGE old plays, so threw the next two games. Based on watching his stream and recent games, i think hell do semi decent (might win a few games) at MLG but has less than 1% chance of winning the event or making top8. Id love him to prove me wrong as any tourny where he does well is better for it. Hes a quality bloke. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account: 1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches) 2. WIN, using every tool available to you ...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake. If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it. If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it. If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point. If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money. Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available. What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game? | ||
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Huckleuro
United Kingdom294 Posts
On February 24 2012 18:23 nokz88 wrote: The amount of people in this thread blaming Alive of all people for doing nothing but winning, is highly alarming. There are two things that a pro-gamer should take into account: 1. FOLLOW THE RULES of the game (e.g. no cheating) and the tournament (e.g. no BM, throw matches) 2. WIN, using every tool available to you ...aside from those, there is no goddamn "right way" to play for fucks sake. If you don't like cheese, it's up to you to stop it. If you don't like allins, it's up to you to stop it. If you like macro games, it's up to you to take the game to that point. If Idra thinks these are coin flips, they sure look like rigged ones to me. How come the coin never flips in his favor? It's not like it was a best of 1, 3 or even 5.... it was a goddamn best of 7, which he lost 4 to zero. If I had half the luck Alive supposedly had I would be in Vegas right now shitting money. Terran is OP, Protoss is OP, ZvZ is a coinflip, cheese is bad, allin is no skill. So in order to Idra accept defeat the opponent must pick a race that isn't Terran, Protoss or Zerg, NR15mins and expand every 5 minutes until there are no bases available. What will it take for this guy to man it up and admit there is something seriously amiss with the way he views the game? Dropping knowledge. Double this mans scran. | ||
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