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On February 24 2012 09:18 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:17 Devolved wrote: So in other words, he threw the games because he was behind in the series and didn't think he could come back. And besides, it was just a showmatch so who cares anyway. Stay classy, Idra. No it was because aLive wanted to win instead of showing good matches. Korean mentality and all ...
Have you ever seen a Korean interview where the Korean didn't say that he wanted to show good matches for the fans? I for one have not.
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I hope he does well, a win against someone as strong as Oz would be a big confidence boost for him that could carry him throughout the rest of the tournament.
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On February 24 2012 10:07 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:18 Otolia wrote:On February 24 2012 09:17 Devolved wrote: So in other words, he threw the games because he was behind in the series and didn't think he could come back. And besides, it was just a showmatch so who cares anyway. Stay classy, Idra. No it was because aLive wanted to win instead of showing good matches. Korean mentality and all ... Have you ever seen a Korean interview where the Korean didn't say that he wanted to show good matches for the fans? I for one have not.
Saying you want to show good matches and then doing 2 allins in a showmatch doesn't really make sense..
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hmm he didn't think that going 60 drones with no sim city, fast upgrades, and 1 spine crawler for defense was risky and can be seen as an all-in? he's basically bet alive wouldn't put any pressure on in the first 10 minutes-this isn't FMP NR 20. his defense was pretty good too, sending drones to attack 10 hellions, sounds like a good idea.
oh yeah, and no gg? he has to admit alive handled the 3rd game very well. much better than idra dealt with alive's two rushes. i've seen idra do plenty of cheesy, all-in builds (and not just because he's raging). he really just needs to get over himself and stop making excuses for poor gameplay and decision-making.
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On February 24 2012 09:56 Dissonance23 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:52 -Trippin- wrote:On February 24 2012 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote: i agree with idra. alive's play was just not entertaining.
"The games weren’t gonna be entertaining if he just wanted to flip coins anyway, so I just 6 pooled to get it over, one way or the other." Thinking like this is poisonous and very fanboy-esque. It doesn't matter if Alive was playing to win or not, Idra threw the matches and ruined what could have been an otherwise great showmatch. How is it going to be a great showmatch if alive is just going to all-in every game? The first two games weren't entertaining and the rest weren't very likely to be either.
It would have been great because aLive wouldn't ragequit the moment his cheese fails.
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On February 24 2012 10:08 -JoKeR- wrote: I hope he does well, a win against someone as strong as Oz would be a big confidence boost for him that could carry him throughout the rest of the tournament.
But if he loses, he will pull the imba card like he always does. Unfortunately for him.
When Terran was crusing Protoss a few months ago, i remember Huk saying the match up was fine. He never tried to justify his losses on something else but his play. Even after MVP went for 2 all ins against him.
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On February 24 2012 10:11 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:56 Dissonance23 wrote:On February 24 2012 09:52 -Trippin- wrote:On February 24 2012 09:24 dAPhREAk wrote: i agree with idra. alive's play was just not entertaining.
"The games weren’t gonna be entertaining if he just wanted to flip coins anyway, so I just 6 pooled to get it over, one way or the other." Thinking like this is poisonous and very fanboy-esque. It doesn't matter if Alive was playing to win or not, Idra threw the matches and ruined what could have been an otherwise great showmatch. How is it going to be a great showmatch if alive is just going to all-in every game? The first two games weren't entertaining and the rest weren't very likely to be either. It would have been great because aLive wouldn't ragequit the moment his cheese fails. that doesnt make the game great or entertaining.....
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Everything in the game puts you ahead or behind.
If Z took a secret 3rd and you didn't catch it, or punish it, is that cheese? It certainly put Z ahead, and possibly in a position to snowball and fully control the game with higher muta count.
If Z tries to 2 base roach/bane aggression, like DRG vs Gumiho, it can kill the T. It can also do some damage, but the T holds, and they are even. Is that wrong? This is also unscoutable by the T until the moment the roaches move out. You can only prepare with subtle clues + understanding of the timing.
If you open 2rax or 2reactor hellion, it can put the Terran ahead. It can kill the Z outright too. But if the Z holds, it can also be an even game.
This is just typical Idra. EVERYTHING is a coinflip. How you can play this game for 10 years and not understand that, well I guess it's the same reason you are mediocre.
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To be honest i used to like watching idra play, now though.. i am just fed up with his essentially terrible view on the world. Its just a defeatist attitude that really REALLY doesn't belong in esports. You play to be the best not some guy who gives up every time he feels like he might not win.
This has been my view on him ever since his loss vs MMA. Since then he really hasn't gotten any better (talking mentality obviously and not mechanics / skill)
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As a toss I agree with everything Idra said concerning the toss patch change. That doesn't happen often.
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On February 24 2012 09:29 SonOfBoxer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:18 Otolia wrote:On February 24 2012 09:17 Devolved wrote: So in other words, he threw the games because he was behind in the series and didn't think he could come back. And besides, it was just a showmatch so who cares anyway. Stay classy, Idra. No it was because aLive wanted to win instead of showing good matches. Korean mentality and all ... Korean mentality? Ever heard of BoxeR, who puts his fans before winning? NaDa, who's just as awesome? Flash? iloveoov? MMA? Those guys are too awesome because they want to show good matches WHILE winning, but for BoxeR who just wants to show good matches. Everybody knows IdrA is a whiner from the beginning, and since he couldn't simply ragequit, he decided to throw the games. Yes, we know. Since aLive didn't seem to be interested in showing nice games IdrA knew he didn't have a chance so he flipped coins with the 6pools. That's not necessarily respectable in any way, but it doesn't deserve this kind of hate.
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Great interview, thanks a lot. I agree with what he said about ZvP for sure. I dunno what will happen to ZvT because of the ghost changes, but regardless it will remain a very fun matchup to play for me. ^_^
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Idra: I'm not even going to try to make good games
edit: i realize that he decided that after getting cheese 2 games, dont tell me
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On February 24 2012 09:18 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:17 Devolved wrote: So in other words, he threw the games because he was behind in the series and didn't think he could come back. And besides, it was just a showmatch so who cares anyway. Stay classy, Idra. No it was because aLive wanted to win instead of showing good matches. Korean mentality and all ... Because maps have to be entirely mined out for it to be a good game right? You idra fans are ridiculous.
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Clearly the solution is to have DRG and MMA play every show match.
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I remember a long time ago Artosis uploaded a game between Twilight(Oz) and IdrA. I think IdrA ended up winning but that was so so long ago that it definitely has no meaning to tomorrows match.
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lawl@the same fanboys from the 6 pool thread saying the same things again. hoping he bombs out miserably this weekend
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I don´t know why Idra still complains about P being too strong against Zerg. Its been months with Z having the upperhand in the MU(and that was even before Mutas were used a lot).Hell, you can even argue that the P deathball has not been such a huge issue.Dunno it just feels P has not really been that strong in PvZ overall
I do agree with him in that Mech in TvZ is not being used that much.
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On February 24 2012 09:19 yoten wrote: Gotta respect Idra for his openness and honesty. reason why I love the guy, more players should be like that, instead of happy go lucky about everything. If you don't get mad you don't care
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I really liked his answers on balance, although it's somewhat funny that he was the one championing Ghosts as super strong but now that it's nerfed mech will emerge super strong. But it does make sense, 200/200 mech is hard enough to stop as Terran, let alone Zerg
As for IdrA, same old attitude, different day/country/game.
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