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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.
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On February 11 2012 06:41 Corvi wrote:
i doubt ghosts will ever be seen again in tvz after that patch ...
is blizzard even aware how expensive they are and what a huge investment it is to have a critical number to make it a viable counter to broodlords?
Okay... really??
If Terrans stop making Ghosts in TvZ then they deserve to fucking lose.
No EMP means your whole army will be fungaled into oblivion.
Stop overreacting.
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I'm liking blizzard's recent changes. Maps and balance all.
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@roymarthyup - you are talkin craziness bro. straight craziness. your 'raven revolution' is a sweet dream, but just that, a dream. mutas, stalkers, and stim bio can also outrun seekers. the AOE for the missle is also terrbile. you be lucky to hit 5 maruaders even if they are balled up... and btw if takes 2 HSM to kill 1 maurder LOL
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When is this patch going live? Season 6?
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rofl, keep nerfing terran. We want only zerg and protoss players in all foreign events. I especially enjoyed IEM brazil where it was only z v z.
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incontrol made a good point on his stream
will graviton beam be affected or not?
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On February 11 2012 06:41 Corvi wrote:
i doubt ghosts will ever be seen again in tvz after that patch ...
is blizzard even aware how expensive they are and what a huge investment it is to have a critical number to make it a viable counter to broodlords?
EMP or Snipe for Infestors is still worth it easily dude. Snipe vs Mutas is worth it too. Ravens would work well against late game Broods so maybe you will see more of them.
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On February 11 2012 06:45 ThatGuy89 wrote:
incontrol made a good point on his stream
will graviton beam be affected or not?
Ofcoures it's not.
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Well the snipe nerf just gives me more incentive to all-in a zerg before 15 minutes is up 
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On February 11 2012 06:42 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:36 Eatme wrote:
Where is the real blizzard and what have you done to it? First new maps and now a patch that seems really logical and all around good. no, THIS is the real blizzard. maybe they are winning some control back from activision?
As much as we all love to hate activision, suggesting that they somehow told Blizzard how to balance their game is ridiculous. They're not involved with gameplay, just distribution and sales.
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apm change is best thing ever.
ppl will be able to see my 400apm spam again!
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On February 11 2012 06:46 Roxor9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:45 ThatGuy89 wrote:
incontrol made a good point on his stream
will graviton beam be affected or not? Ofcoures it's not.
didnt think so, was just curious. It'll be funny though to see graviton at whatever range it is, 3 or something, and phoenixs sitting miles away shooting at it lol
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On February 11 2012 02:09 zende wrote:
now TvZ will be exactly like TvP. we'll have to scan every 30 seconds to see if a tech switch is up to be able to react in time. wooooooooo!
Seriously, if this patch goes through with just these changes I'm swapping races, but sadly since It feels like Im the last terran on ladder all I will get is ZVP and ZVZ... At least I've been practicing my offraces a lot..
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Wonderful changes! Everything we needed so far! Personally, I believe they could just remove the gold minerals and leave every map with only regular ones, but that's just me. And props for the APM change: now spammers will be able to spam endlessly and feel superior for it, once again.
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Anyone think that the +2 range buff to phoenix will make them really strong (borderline OP)? I mean, tbh 1 stargate pumping out pheonix already does a decent job of holding out mass muta and buying time for your army to arrive, and if you do 2 stargate coupled with the phoenix +2 range then I think mass muta will be eradicated in ZvP as a playstyle.
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I think the changes are slightly too drastic. I think a snipe reduction to 30 or 35 and Phoenix range of 5 would've been enough.
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On February 11 2012 06:45 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:41 Corvi wrote:
i doubt ghosts will ever be seen again in tvz after that patch ...
is blizzard even aware how expensive they are and what a huge investment it is to have a critical number to make it a viable counter to broodlords? EMP or Snipe for Infestors is still worth it easily dude. Snipe vs Mutas is worth it too. Ravens would work well against late game Broods so maybe you will see more of them.
No it isn't. Ghosts already deal 20 DMG to mutas. and for 25 energy you want them to deal 5 more? Complete waste.
Blizzard just made a versatile unit in all 3 matchups (arguably), a pure anti-spellcaster (anti infestor anti-HT anti-ghost) unit.
This type of game and unit design is exactly what's wrong with SC2. Hard counters or 1-role units are not a good way to build a game out of.
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On February 11 2012 06:45 ThatGuy89 wrote:
incontrol made a good point on his stream
will graviton beam be affected or not?
If it was then I'd change my mind on the gimmicky-ness of the phoenix buff. Phoenix would suddenly become kick-ass harassment units (lol, scooping up drones from the edge of max spore range), able to counter even somewhat large numbers of hydras, and would be infinitely stronger against infestors.
So yeah, there's no way the +2 adds to graviton. The spell's range is a separate thing from weapon range, although they both happen to be 4 now. Nothing Blizz has said would indicate such a huge buff for Phoenix. If it happened, I think you'd have to open 2 stargate in every PvZ and rush out that fleet beacon on 2 base!
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On February 11 2012 06:45 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:41 Corvi wrote:
i doubt ghosts will ever be seen again in tvz after that patch ...
is blizzard even aware how expensive they are and what a huge investment it is to have a critical number to make it a viable counter to broodlords? EMP or Snipe for Infestors is still worth it easily dude. Snipe vs Mutas is worth it too. Ravens would work well against late game Broods so maybe you will see more of them.
I feel missile needs more range on Ravens. 10 range BL>HSM.
I like the Phoenix addition. Should be able to handle Mutas much more effectively while kiting.
This should be interesting to see how much more Phoenix will be used.
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On February 11 2012 06:34 moregamethanSEGA wrote:
hmmm... two more nerfs to terran... surprise, surpise. Everytime I watch GSL terran is getting owned by toss and zerg (Nada, MKP, JJakji). This is such a joke... what do you expect when you can't spend your gas late game cause Blizzard makes worthless lategame terran units (thor, BC, banshee). you could argue that, terrans have no choice but to mass ghosts because there isn't another opportunity cost available to them.
"we were seeing a lot of games where terrans were playing very defensive games while massing ghosts" aka "we were seeing terrans use an unconventional, yet effective strategy late game vs zerg on extremely large macro maps when the zerg couldn't stop terran from getting on 4 base because they were too concerned with making 100 drones and 25 mutas instead of just strategically attacking before the terran was able to make ghosts to begin with."
So niche, so unnecessary - this is not terran's problem. Zerg can adapt with spines/spores/fungals to prevent ghost from moving up while the broods rain the pain down. I see it all the time. Or perhaps they could just make units that arent countered strongly by ghosts (lings roaches). OR (and this will blow ur mind) bane/roach drop on ghosts with brood corrupter support or (gasp) a nydus worm.
Unless I am mistaken the idea here is: punish terran for being TOO turtley by making them be even MORE turtley in order to get the insane amount of energy they will need to be effective against both zerg tier 2.5 and 3 units. I mean... 19 snipes to kill ultra... and now i can't snipe workers/zealots... fml
btw, question: does your data show you that terran is 'forced' to go bio in every matchup now? I saw MKP yesterday do a hellion tank marine build and it BARELY won against Genius. That was the most variation I have seen in TvP since Jinro was in GSL... and MKP still lost to Genius in the end. My point is maybe this wouldn't be a problem if terran wasnt always going bio to begin with.
Mech just isn't viable because hellions dont even counter zealots in TvP and anything except lings in TvZ so there is no 'meatsheld' for your army. On top of that terrans currently have no air-to-ground transitions to open with (or go late game with) vs zerg and toss - BC/banshees seem completely worthless in standard tvp and tvz.
Unless I am mistaken, now ghosts don't counter anything except infestors and hts. Man, what a veristile unit just like the thor and BC.
JOY.
3/8 of the quarter finalist play terran seems fine?
its not 6/8 like normal but 3 seems pretty reasonable
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