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What the hell does Lugano have to do with this? I never stated that he was good or that I enjoyed watching him play in Turkey or now in France.
I insist, I don't understand why you make a big deal about the supposed best foreigner, when there's easily at least 20 korean players who are better than him, and he would be at most be as good as your random Code A player who struggles in first round.
Besides that, what you think or not matters nothing to me, as I've already expressed my opinion: "what's the big deal with a guy who hardly is top 30 in the world? Why do people give him so much relevance?", and your own opinion has nothing to do with this.
On February 02 2012 21:09 Mondieu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 07:28 Aserrin wrote:
I don't understand why there is so much controversy about a player who isn't even Code A material. What foreigner is atm ? T_T
Exactly. I don't care if he's a foreigner or not. I care if he's relevant in a world-wide perspective. He's not.
On February 02 2012 16:47 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 07:28 Aserrin wrote:
I don't understand why there is so much controversy about a player who isn't even Code A material. By your (stu...) logic teamliquid should never talk about any foreign progamer ever.
Talk? Yes.
Act like he's God's gift to e-sports and whoever dares to question his skills and/or attitude deserves no less than the guillotine? No.
You can take your personal attack back, as I've never disrespected you or your favorite player. There's no need to act like a child. Grow up.
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Seriously guys, take it to PM's or something. This conversation right now is just plain stupid
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if i was a Zerg boss like stephano i would make ppl cater to my demands as well. I'm still a fan.
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On February 02 2012 15:20 Aserrin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 15:03 hrvoje07 wrote:
said stephano is the best player outside of korea. Even if that's true, that's not saying much considering there's easily 40-50 (or maybe 60) players better than him. Edited my former post, HerO is in Code A. And I don't hate Stephano, the hell are you smoking? How can I hate someone I don't even know just because he doesn't play videogames as good as the best players? I'm just puzzled why people get so worked up over a player who could at best get a 1-4 in Ro32 of Code S or would have troubles not falling off of Code A, which are the most competitive and prestigious tournaments at the moment. To cite an example, it's like people making a big deal about the korean soccer league. No one cares because they aren't important and nowhere near the best in the world. I guess only some koreans make a big deal of it, the same way only some foreigners get so amazed by Stephano.
What a pathetic little hater seriously. We get it, everything outside of Korea is shit, they dont deserve attention or support because there is 40 players better than them (by the way, wrong fucking statement, Stephano, or other top EU/NA are on the same level than the cheesy ones staying in Code S forever, it's cute to talk about GSL all the time, but it's still a tournament, and it can still be random as fuck, for who stays in Code S at least).
I'll quote Tastosis on that : you're killing esport idiot, so what, we should all give up on SC2 since we're not top 20 korea? We should ignore and never talk about the foreigner talented players improving? Just stfu you're making no sense, you got yourself in a spot where all you could do is keep saying bullshit until they give up, get a puppy seriously
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On February 03 2012 22:36 mahO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 15:20 Aserrin wrote:On February 02 2012 15:03 hrvoje07 wrote:
said stephano is the best player outside of korea. Even if that's true, that's not saying much considering there's easily 40-50 (or maybe 60) players better than him. Edited my former post, HerO is in Code A. And I don't hate Stephano, the hell are you smoking? How can I hate someone I don't even know just because he doesn't play videogames as good as the best players? I'm just puzzled why people get so worked up over a player who could at best get a 1-4 in Ro32 of Code S or would have troubles not falling off of Code A, which are the most competitive and prestigious tournaments at the moment. To cite an example, it's like people making a big deal about the korean soccer league. No one cares because they aren't important and nowhere near the best in the world. I guess only some koreans make a big deal of it, the same way only some foreigners get so amazed by Stephano. What a pathetic little hater seriously. We get it, everything outside of Korea is shit, they dont deserve attention or support because there is 40 players better than them (by the way, wrong fucking statement, Stephano, or other top EU/NA are on the same level than the cheesy ones staying in Code S forever, it's cute to talk about GSL all the time, but it's still a tournament, and it can still be random as fuck, for who stays in Code S at least). I'll quote Tastosis on that : you're killing esport idiot, so what, we should all give up on SC2 since we're not top 20 korea? We should ignore and never talk about the foreigner talented players improving? Just stfu you're making no sense, you got yourself in a spot where all you could do is keep saying bullshit until they give up, get a puppy seriously
What a pathetic little fanboy seriously [..].
Blabla, no one is telling you to stop supporting foreigners. He was stating the fact(!) that foreigners are not as good as koreans in the game. Do you really want to oppose that?
Why do you get all pumped up about that? Especially your "blabla we should ignore about the foreigner talents improving" is pretty lame if you mind the fact (again) that stephano already stated that he will stop playing in the near future to get his real life up to par (which btw i completely agree to).
Maybe you both should get a punching ball to relieve some issues.
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The truth is, Stephano sleeping at his parents place at night after spending the day at the gaming house, his dad got irritated to hear his fingers clap on the keyboard and the continuous mouse clicks at 4:00 AM.
He then ordered forced his son to shut down the computer within the minute, hence only letting stephano a few seconds to justify him leaving the tournament !
But he won't tell you because he believes ( and so do I ! ) that people would make fun of him about it and that this would be worst than people thinking he just left because he was tired !
Source.
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On February 04 2012 00:05 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:The truth is, Stephano sleeping at his parents place at night after spending the day at the gaming house, his dad got irritated to hear his fingers clap on the keyboard and the continuous mouse clicks at 4:00 AM. He then ordered forced his son to shut down the computer within the minute, hence only letting stephano a few seconds to justify him leaving the tournament ! But he won't tell you because he believes ( and so do I ! ) that people would make fun of him about it and that this would be worst than people thinking he just left because he was tired ! Source.
I find that hard to believe. If you have proof to back it up that is another thing. But for now we only have Stephanos word for that he forfeited because he was tired, so that is the truth we have to work with.
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On February 04 2012 01:21 JackDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:05 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:The truth is, Stephano sleeping at his parents place at night after spending the day at the gaming house, his dad got irritated to hear his fingers clap on the keyboard and the continuous mouse clicks at 4:00 AM. He then ordered forced his son to shut down the computer within the minute, hence only letting stephano a few seconds to justify him leaving the tournament ! But he won't tell you because he believes ( and so do I ! ) that people would make fun of him about it and that this would be worst than people thinking he just left because he was tired ! Source. I find that hard to believe. If you have proof to back it up that is another thing. But for now we only have Stephanos word for that he forfeited because he was tired, so that is the truth we have to work with.
It's a troll, go look at the image he posted as source.
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On February 04 2012 01:21 JackDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:05 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:The truth is, Stephano sleeping at his parents place at night after spending the day at the gaming house, his dad got irritated to hear his fingers clap on the keyboard and the continuous mouse clicks at 4:00 AM. He then ordered forced his son to shut down the computer within the minute, hence only letting stephano a few seconds to justify him leaving the tournament ! But he won't tell you because he believes ( and so do I ! ) that people would make fun of him about it and that this would be worst than people thinking he just left because he was tired ! Source. I find that hard to believe. If you have proof to back it up that is another thing. But for now we only have Stephanos word for that he forfeited because he was tired, so that is the truth we have to work with.
Clearly you didn't check his source! :D
(Or your sarcasm detector, don't take it bad, it happens to every one. Or maybe YOU were expressing sarcasm in which MY detector is broken)
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Obviously, your detector is broken dear fix!
Edit: Arf i just realised the apology on millenium site had already been reported here.
Anyway since everyone's thought is so important on the subject I might as well give mine. A lot of people saying Stephano wasn't very clever to accept to go to the tournament even if he already participated in another earlier.
It might be true, but what seems odd to me is that NO ONE in this thread mentioned the fact that ONOG knew Stephano would play another tournament the same day. They could as well have forbidden Stephano to play in their tournament if he did play the previous one.
Because all of the people who want e-sports to grow must remember something. In a professionnal environement, even if you are the employer, you CAN'T let your employees work more than a certain amount of time per day, even if the employees WANT TO. If it was to happen, it would need some sort of compensation in any regular job.
So even if Stephano's behaviour was not very smart, we can say the same about ONOG staff. And for e-sports to go legal and recognized someday everywhere, players should not be allowed to play more than a certain amount of time per day.
Even when both parts agree it's wrong. If an employee decide to make an arangment with his employer to work 20 hours a day, it's illegal. It's even more illegal when the buisness is not even ruled by any official law in most countries.
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On February 04 2012 00:05 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Source.
OMG! This monkey is unbelievably cute! *_*
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On February 04 2012 01:52 ProbeEtPylon wrote:OMG! This monkey is unbelievably cute! *_*
Man, I bet you would not believe me if I told you this tiny cuty little guy is an unquestionable starcraft 1 AND starcraft 2 bonjwa in Planet of the Apes, but he is.
He won so many tournaments he could afford to have his personnal human slave to transport him wherever it pleases him.
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.to delete i doubled post sry
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I feel like they should let the players know if it is going to be live or not, so I find it hard to put all of the blame on Stephano. Nevertheless, it wasn't professional.
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YAY for more naniwaish drama!
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The_Masked_Shrimp February 04 2012 01:42. Posts 5 PM Profile Quote # + Show Spoiler +
Obviously, your detector is broken dear fix!
Edit: Arf i just realised the apology on millenium site had already been reported here.
Anyway since everyone's thought is so important on the subject I might as well give mine. A lot of people saying Stephano wasn't very clever to accept to go to the tournament even if he already participated in another earlier. It might be true, but what seems odd to me is that NO ONE in this thread mentioned the fact that ONOG knew Stephano would play another tournament the same day. They could as well have forbidden Stephano to play in their tournament if he did play the previous one. Because all of the people who want e-sports to grow must remember something. In a professionnal environement, even if you are the employer, you CAN'T let your employees work more than a certain amount of time per day, even if the employees WANT TO. If it was to happen, it would need some sort of compensation in any regular job. So even if Stephano's behaviour was not very smart, we can say the same about ONOG staff. And for e-sports to go legal and recognized someday everywhere, players should not be allowed to play more than a certain amount of time per day. Even when both parts agree it's wrong. If an employee decide to make an arangment with his employer to work 20 hours a day, it's illegal. It's even more illegal when the buisness is not even ruled by any official law in most countries. Last edit: 2012-02-04 02:27:49
I think you make an interesting point, but I wonder are there limits on how long a professional athlete can compete in a single day? In team sports such as baseball, futbol, american football, basketball, etc a game is extended through overtimes until continuing becomes unsafe, i.e. unnecessarily hazardous to the players health. I know of no time-limitation rules for players of these sports.
Since competitive SC2 in this scenario was being played by an individual, for himself, and not a team I liken it to sports such as open-competitions of track and field or gymnastics. Are there limits to the amount of time these "players" are allowed to compete in a single waking-period? I've never heard of them if there are.
Lastly, it makes perfect sense that ONOG could have avoided the whole issue by not allowing Stephano to participate in both tourneys, but that is not the atmosphere in which esports operates today. Multiple players play multiple tournaments at a time and eventually lose in one or drop out of one to focus on the other. That aspect aside, this turns out to be a brilliant move by ONOG because now most of the SC2 community has heard the name thereby legitimizing them.
We need to decide as a community if we want esports to be modeled more similarly to athletic-sports or to a business if we truly want it to enter the mainstream in ways that other "sports" never have [chess comes to mind]. Blizzard has announced huge initiatives to that end which will begin in the second quarter of this year and I'm excited about it.
In sum, Stephano's a prick and ONOG could have avoided the whole situation, but isn't it awesome that there's this much discussion about such a "little" thing?
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I seems like a lot of drama happens around stephano, I don't know why but maybe he should try a bit harder to arrange his stuff.
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On February 05 2012 02:17 OrD wrote:Show nested quote + The_Masked_Shrimp February 04 2012 01:42. Posts 5 PM Profile Quote # + Show Spoiler +
Obviously, your detector is broken dear fix!
Edit: Arf i just realised the apology on millenium site had already been reported here.
Anyway since everyone's thought is so important on the subject I might as well give mine. A lot of people saying Stephano wasn't very clever to accept to go to the tournament even if he already participated in another earlier. It might be true, but what seems odd to me is that NO ONE in this thread mentioned the fact that ONOG knew Stephano would play another tournament the same day. They could as well have forbidden Stephano to play in their tournament if he did play the previous one. Because all of the people who want e-sports to grow must remember something. In a professionnal environement, even if you are the employer, you CAN'T let your employees work more than a certain amount of time per day, even if the employees WANT TO. If it was to happen, it would need some sort of compensation in any regular job. So even if Stephano's behaviour was not very smart, we can say the same about ONOG staff. And for e-sports to go legal and recognized someday everywhere, players should not be allowed to play more than a certain amount of time per day. Even when both parts agree it's wrong. If an employee decide to make an arangment with his employer to work 20 hours a day, it's illegal. It's even more illegal when the buisness is not even ruled by any official law in most countries. Last edit: 2012-02-04 02:27:49 I think you make an interesting point, but I wonder are there limits on how long a professional athlete can compete in a single day? In team sports such as baseball, futbol, american football, basketball, etc a game is extended through overtimes until continuing becomes unsafe, i.e. unnecessarily hazardous to the players health. I know of no time-limitation rules for players of these sports. Since competitive SC2 in this scenario was being played by an individual, for himself, and not a team I liken it to sports such as open-competitions of track and field or gymnastics. Are there limits to the amount of time these "players" are allowed to compete in a single waking-period? I've never heard of them if there are. Lastly, it makes perfect sense that ONOG could have avoided the whole issue by not allowing Stephano to participate in both tourneys, but that is not the atmosphere in which esports operates today. Multiple players play multiple tournaments at a time and eventually lose in one or drop out of one to focus on the other. That aspect aside, this turns out to be a brilliant move by ONOG because now most of the SC2 community has heard the name thereby legitimizing them. We need to decide as a community if we want esports to be modeled more similarly to athletic-sports or to a business if we truly want it to enter the mainstream in ways that other "sports" never have [chess comes to mind]. Blizzard has announced huge initiatives to that end which will begin in the second quarter of this year and I'm excited about it. In sum, Stephano's a prick and ONOG could have avoided the whole situation, but isn't it awesome that there's this much discussion about such a "little" thing?
They wanted Stephano for the same reason there are 86 pages of this BS, even if he was playing 2 tournements. No one would have rememberd ONOG for 2 seconds if it wasn't for Stephano being there, much less if he hadn't started this drama.
ONOG came out better than if Stephano had won the whole thing quietly. There were 10 other tournaments last week as big as ONOG that 95% of the people who wrote in this thread never heard of.
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Does it really matter? Players still got money, and it was a long day anyway with lots of games. And hey it gave some drama to those who needed their fix.
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