EPTStephano forfeits ONOG Finals - Page 84
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44316 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:59 ZergMaestro wrote: didn't read the comments but, Man Stephano gonna get shit on by retards for doing a legit thing. But whatevs its just a fucking game. Maybe you should read the comments then, because a lot of us care about "this fucking game" and explain- in detail- why we considered Stephano's behavior at least unprofessional and disrespectful, and not just throw "retard shit on a legit thing". You shouldn't post on a thread if you haven't looked any of it over. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On February 02 2012 07:20 SC2NeCro wrote: The fact that it took him this long to issue his half-hearted apology speaks volumes of him as a person. 2 good reddit quotes EGiNcontroL It's really sad/dumb to read the top comment and see "he doesn't mean it." Come on, why even make that assumption? This apology whether he made it in blood or not is the RIGHT thing to do. So tired of people getting upset over something a public figure does and then when they apologize people go "well, it isn't real.." And YES that is a bit of angst left over from personal experience. Give the guy a break and lets move on. bigbeau Yeah I actually agree with you. With the community it's gotten to the point where the is no correct response to anything, other than never make a mistake originally. If you apologize, you're called fake, and if you don't, everyone says you don't care about 'esports'. If you tell people information, you're a bad guy for leaking personal things, if you don't, people bitch about not having information about players. The list goes on and on. Basically, it's become if you try to do anything, but fail or stumble along the way, you're fucked. | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
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Sea_aeS
1025 Posts
Imo in this kind of dramas we are too much focusing on players and not enough on the organisation of events. But i d like to add one point about Stephano. People say it's his work, which is true, but as far as i remember Stephano told that he wasn"t planning to play SCII as a pro more than one year and that he would study after. So i think that his point of view isn"t really the one of a professional who s planning a career therefore he doesn"t really care about his reputation or 1k$ ... PS: I dont know if i am clear xD But i did my best And please stop with french racist jokes ... | ||
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Taiki
Norway57 Posts
On February 02 2012 07:17 Rosbife wrote: What a joke of an argument. Seriously, a JOKE. It's his and no one else's right to play or forfeit the game. Stop this misconceived illusion that all that matters to the pros is the fans and the quality of the games. They are PROFESSIONAL players, who have stepped up their gaming. It's not personal entertainment for them, regardless of how much they still enjoy playing the game on their own time. It's their JOB and if people (fans) want to put in the money to watch them play eachother, it's simply a choice of ours, it doesn't imply ANYTHING in terms of what they can or cannot do. What they do has an impact on the fans, sure. But that doesn't mean they CAN'T do it. Seriously, how many of you hypocrites actually expect something like this to ever happen in mainstream sports such as football or tennis? A team/player being disqualified or downranked simply beacuse they forfeited ONE game? Yet you want ESports to grow to the same status. Hilarious. It's the player's RIGHT and there is nothing you can argue against that. It is as simple as that. He chose to "lose" $1000 because he didn't have the time nor rest to play one more series (might have been due to an overcommitment of tournaments, but then again, seriously, in WHAT way does the reason behind it give him any more or less RIGHT?). It's ludicrous how you lash out at him instead of at the organization, who effectively Stole money from Stephano by downranking him after he earned his at-least-second spot. And for those who prefer the "personal attack" approach rather than using actual arguments: I'm not a fan of Stephano, I sometimes watch him play because I play Zerg and he has very useful builds. I am also not a regular commenter on TeamLiquid, so I've no idea whatsoever whether I'll be banned for this post. Though I would assume not; after all the war the internet brought against SOPA/ACTA/PIPA, it would just be hilarious to see that kind of censorship. Teams in football or tennis players can forfeit, but they don't frikkin forfeit because they schedule themselves for 2 games in one day. It's a tiny bit different no? Players are responsible for their own schedules and if they can't do something as simple as that, they have to accept the consequences. There is also no reason why a turnament should pay players that doesn't do their job properly. | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
Yeah I know semantics and whatever, but it'd be nice if you guys used the correct words in such a delicate matter. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 02 2012 07:33 Taiki wrote: There is also no reason why a turnament should pay players that doesn't do their job properly. Because the tournaments have an obligation to pay players based on their level of performance and nothing else, unless a specific tournament rule has been broken. Besides, players are not employed by the tournament organizers unless specified otherwise. They do not have to work for them. | ||
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theonlyshaft
United States581 Posts
Do you remember what it was like when you first moved out on your own, and had to support yourself, plus keep your own laundry cleaned, clean your own house, etc, etc, not to mention have some form of life outside of all of that? Well, I'm willing to bet with as intense a training schedule Stephano keeps (he doesn't always play the most, but his routine is pretty set in stone; he streams practically the same amount every day, practices the same amount, and devotes a certain amount of time to other things; that seems extremely vague, but he does it quite consistently, like a machine. When a machine's battery dies, it's time to go to re-charge. Stephano has never been known to burn the midnight fuel). Stephano knew he was going to have to forfeit, he acknowledges the possibility. To me that seems a very grown up thing to do, rather than constantly try to re-schedule or be entirely bent out of shape about it. He accepted it, and moved on. Now, coming at this from a tournament organizer perspective is entirely different, especially for a first event. But the question must be asked... do players have the right to forfeit? The answer quite simply is yes. If anyone wanted to argue no, I'd mention personal emergencies, family emergencies, or even something as mundane as not being able to gg -- NOPE, every building must be destroyed. What is "gg wp" (or in Stephano's case... gratz) but forfeiting? So, players have the right to forfeit. Again, thinking as an organizer, one must ask, "Would I have rather not had him in this tournament?" Well, no, I'd definitely want Stephano in any tournament. He's an amazing player, one of the best Zergs in the world. I wouldn't want to lose the experience of the games he did play within the tournament. I'd have rather he been eliminated rather than forfeit, but... the way things played out here is the best way they could have under the circumstances, and I commend the OMOG organizer greatly who decided to let the winner of the Semis match play in the Finals. | ||
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LayZRR
Germany449 Posts
i dont blame tyler though. he explained why and even apologised. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
On February 02 2012 07:26 00Visor wrote: 2 good reddit quotes Well, it's more like if you screw up, you piss some people off, and they voice their opinion. When you apologize, you piss a different subset of people off, and then they voice their opinion. You're still better off, but people generally perfer to post and scream on TL/reddit when they're criticizing someone rather than praising them. It's not a phenomenon related to eSports. It's related to being a public figure. If you want to be a progamer, you just have to be able to deal with it. | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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theonlyshaft
United States581 Posts
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JTouche
United States239 Posts
On February 02 2012 07:28 Aserrin wrote: I don't understand why there is so much controversy about a player who isn't even Code A material. Your joking right? Don't tell me your serious... | ||
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theonlyshaft
United States581 Posts
On February 02 2012 10:22 JTouche wrote: Your joking right? Don't tell me your serious... Most of the Koreans consider him the best European Zerg, and code S material. | ||
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
On February 02 2012 10:19 theonlyshaft wrote: I'm not sure it hurt ONOG. The finals were still friggin epic :D Maybe it helped, even, in that we got to see all the epic goodness that we did. around 16k watched his semi finals if i remember correctly.there were 6k viewers for the finals,guess that hurt them pretty badly... | ||
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NGeX
Canada72 Posts
On January 31 2012 05:45 k1mjee wrote: Stephano's turning into the next Naniwa. Thats exactly what I said on reddit and tweeted Stephano on twitter. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
Its a personal attack if i say that someone who apologizes is a bigger man than you, because he has balls? Its a fact. You tried to pull an argument for stephano out of your hat ("he never applied to the tourney"), just for whatever reason. Yet he said, it was not okay what he did. So if even he admits it (which btw i give him kudos for, not like others who cant approve to the apology), tell me the thoughtprocess you need to have to further defend his actions? Its stupid. There is no personal attack. There is nothing to sugarcoat, if someone repeatedly put his hand on a hot plate i would call that behaviour also stupid. But, maybe its too hard to distinguish, but try to read my posting again. Where did i say that you are stupid? I did say its stupid to do stupid stuff. If you get offended by that, meh.. Oh btw, about making fun about france/french.. I remember that many frenchmans joked about belgium (and vice versa), 10 years ago, and most likely do that up to today. Hypocrisy much. And yeah, i joke about france as much as i joke about americans, irishs, scottsmans, brits, polishs, and of course germans. Thats not francophile, i lived for three years in france while training/learning there. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
In anny other sport.. people have the right to forfeit a game or match. It does not happen often but it does happen from times to times Should sc players have the right to forfeit a game or match? It will be verry difficult to deny them that right tbh. So ya, everyone upset about what stephano did (including me at first) but its a right of a sportman to forfeit a game isnt it? Its not like this is slave labour. No clue how to handle this in the future, it kinda seems impossible to force people to play if they dont want to. In the end it will bite the players in the back and probably sort itself. Tournaments will come with additional rules and some players might get less invitations or special conditions for if they leave early. | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
On February 02 2012 10:46 theonlyshaft wrote: Most of the Koreans consider him the best European Zerg, and code S material. How so? He never participated in a korean tournament in Korea. | ||
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