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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
February 02 2012 04:55 GMT
#1681
On February 02 2012 13:52 Aserrin wrote:
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On February 02 2012 10:46 theonlyshaft wrote:
On February 02 2012 10:22 JTouche wrote:
On February 02 2012 07:28 Aserrin wrote:
I don't understand why there is so much controversy about a player who isn't even Code A material.


Your joking right? Don't tell me your serious...


Most of the Koreans consider him the best European Zerg, and code S material.

How so?

He never participated in a korean tournament in Korea.

....Blizzard Cup?
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
thesums
Profile Joined December 2010
Taiwan257 Posts
February 02 2012 05:19 GMT
#1682
wow how can you ask for delay, and then reject going to the delayed time later...? LOL Seriously, I do not believe they are big-shots-enough to be getting away with these forfeits. Like with Naniwa, I am so upset with these (although I have not seen Stephano play and probably will not). Koreans really have a better attitude to be honest, you never see this kind of crap with them, and they are modest and GG at the pro level.

Right now the only respectable foreign players are Thorzain (did well in team league against good players), Jinro (actually made it to code S legitimately), Huk (also made it to code S without shortcuts)....I cannot think of any more atm. But in reality the only good foreign player is Thorzain as I feel Jinro and Idra cannot keep up anymore.
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 06:18:11
February 02 2012 05:55 GMT
#1683
On February 02 2012 13:55 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 13:52 Aserrin wrote:
On February 02 2012 10:46 theonlyshaft wrote:
On February 02 2012 10:22 JTouche wrote:
On February 02 2012 07:28 Aserrin wrote:
I don't understand why there is so much controversy about a player who isn't even Code A material.


Your joking right? Don't tell me your serious...


Most of the Koreans consider him the best European Zerg, and code S material.

How so?

He never participated in a korean tournament in Korea.

....Blizzard Cup?

Exactly. He only did better than a korean who isn't even stable in Code A.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
February 02 2012 06:03 GMT
#1684
On February 02 2012 14:55 Aserrin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 13:55 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On February 02 2012 13:52 Aserrin wrote:
On February 02 2012 10:46 theonlyshaft wrote:
On February 02 2012 10:22 JTouche wrote:
On February 02 2012 07:28 Aserrin wrote:
I don't understand why there is so much controversy about a player who isn't even Code A material.


Your joking right? Don't tell me your serious...


Most of the Koreans consider him the best European Zerg, and code S material.

How so?

He never participated in a korean tournament in Korea.

....Blizzard Cup?

Exactly. He only did better than a korean who isn't even Code A.

Oh, the hate...
Are you gonna judge him on some BO1 games,
koreans are judging him from his stream and ladder practice in korea, even nestea said that stephano is the best player outside of korea. I don't understand how can some people still undermine his achievements.
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
February 02 2012 06:08 GMT
#1685
He better take all the money he can get. Mannered, respecful, on time, Koreans are flocking to Europe and will crush him in every big money tounament soon. Like that SK deal with MC.
MC for president
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 06:26:12
February 02 2012 06:20 GMT
#1686
On February 02 2012 15:03 hrvoje07 wrote:
said stephano is the best player outside of korea.

Even if that's true, that's not saying much considering there's easily 40-50 (or maybe 60) players better than him.

Edited my former post, HerO is in Code A.

And I don't hate Stephano, the hell are you smoking? How can I hate someone I don't even know just because he doesn't play videogames as good as the best players?

I'm just puzzled why people get so worked up over a player who could at best get a 1-4 in Ro32 of Code S or would have troubles not falling off of Code A, which are the most competitive and prestigious tournaments at the moment.

To cite an example, it's like people making a big deal about the korean soccer league. No one cares because they aren't important and nowhere near the best in the world.

I guess only some koreans make a big deal of it, the same way only some foreigners get so amazed by Stephano.
alpinefpOPP
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States134 Posts
February 02 2012 06:28 GMT
#1687
Hopefully Stephano can mature, i hate seeing some of the greatest players being disliked due to their bad attitudes
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 06:33:10
February 02 2012 06:32 GMT
#1688
On February 02 2012 08:39 GeorgeForeman wrote:
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On February 02 2012 07:26 00Visor wrote:
On February 02 2012 07:20 SC2NeCro wrote:
The fact that it took him this long to issue his half-hearted apology speaks volumes of him as a person.


2 good reddit quotes

EGiNcontroL
It's really sad/dumb to read the top comment and see "he doesn't mean it." Come on, why even make that assumption? This apology whether he made it in blood or not is the RIGHT thing to do. So tired of people getting upset over something a public figure does and then when they apologize people go "well, it isn't real.."

And YES that is a bit of angst left over from personal experience. Give the guy a break and lets move on.


bigbeau
Yeah I actually agree with you. With the community it's gotten to the point where the is no correct response to anything, other than never make a mistake originally. If you apologize, you're called fake, and if you don't, everyone says you don't care about 'esports'. If you tell people information, you're a bad guy for leaking personal things, if you don't, people bitch about not having information about players. The list goes on and on.

Basically, it's become if you try to do anything, but fail or stumble along the way, you're fucked.

Well, it's more like if you screw up, you piss some people off, and they voice their opinion. When you apologize, you piss a different subset of people off, and then they voice their opinion. You're still better off, but people generally perfer to post and scream on TL/reddit when they're criticizing someone rather than praising them. It's not a phenomenon related to eSports. It's related to being a public figure. If you want to be a progamer, you just have to be able to deal with it.


Not really. Something you, InControL and a slew of other misinformed people are... missing here is his mindset plays into this. Otherwise I wouldn't have called it half-hearted. If you follow Stephano at all you'd know he's in this for the money and nothing else, he'll be gone from this scene most likely permanently in a couple years (His own words), because he is saving up cash for higher education. The only thing this could possibly affect for him is stream viewers and potential tournament invites and that's why he came out with an apology.

If you think he's sincerely deeply saddened you're really ignorant. He made a decision he thinks was the best for himself and is living on. Doesn't change the fact that he doesn't really care.
Fav Terran: forGG, aLive, Jinro ||| Fav Zerg: Moon, TLO, DRG ||| Fav Protoss: Genius, Grubby, ToD
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
February 02 2012 06:44 GMT
#1689
it's funny how someone who only practices 3 hours a day is considered the best foreigner.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
Scrump
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 07:23:22
February 02 2012 07:22 GMT
#1690
stephano ...... never liked him never will.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
February 02 2012 07:33 GMT
#1691
On February 02 2012 15:44 sharky246 wrote:
it's funny how someone who only practices 3 hours a day is considered the best foreigner.


Achievments help much.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
Hydroxyl
Profile Joined December 2011
206 Posts
February 02 2012 07:38 GMT
#1692
On February 02 2012 14:19 thesums wrote:
wow how can you ask for delay, and then reject going to the delayed time later...? LOL Seriously, I do not believe they are big-shots-enough to be getting away with these forfeits. Like with Naniwa, I am so upset with these (although I have not seen Stephano play and probably will not). Koreans really have a better attitude to be honest, you never see this kind of crap with them, and they are modest and GG at the pro level.

Right now the only respectable foreign players are Thorzain (did well in team league against good players), Jinro (actually made it to code S legitimately), Huk (also made it to code S without shortcuts)....I cannot think of any more atm. But in reality the only good foreign player is Thorzain as I feel Jinro and Idra cannot keep up anymore.


Yeah that's why Polt forfeited his finals in Zotac cup (which gets the return on their invested money from streaming like every other cup) against Bly and turned down the opportunity for viewers to see a finals, only to play in another cup where more money was involved (Polarfluke cup).

It's common business here and koreans aren't different, you shouldn't be deceived by their ability to read properly the text their team taught them in interviews, and make the difference between etiquette and actual feelings. It has nothing to do with a "korean" spirit and a "foreigner" spirit, they're the same, only one take care of hidding it because their organisation has more experience with how to deal with things in esport, rather than most foreigners who are freshly out of the "I'm playing video games for the lulz" cradle, or organisations coming from outside esport with the money and expecting things without any experience on the matter.

As a matter of fact look at Alive who caused all the drama between TSL and Fnatic since himself initiated the move to look for Fnatic in the middle of the negociation of a partnership between TSL and Fnatic.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 02 2012 07:41 GMT
#1693
ok guys back away sc2necro is informed and knows everything.. we are good to go here.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 02 2012 07:45 GMT
#1694
How is this thread even still alive
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
February 02 2012 07:47 GMT
#1695
On February 02 2012 07:28 Aserrin wrote:
I don't understand why there is so much controversy about a player who isn't even Code A material.



By your (stu...) logic teamliquid should never talk about any foreign progamer ever.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Hydroxyl
Profile Joined December 2011
206 Posts
February 02 2012 08:02 GMT
#1696
On February 02 2012 16:45 lichter wrote:
How is this thread even still alive


Why was it even made in the first place is the real question.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
February 02 2012 08:15 GMT
#1697
forgive and forget is my motto and i hope TL members share this sentiment
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
February 02 2012 08:34 GMT
#1698
On February 02 2012 17:02 Hydroxyl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 16:45 lichter wrote:
How is this thread even still alive


Why was it even made in the first place is the real question.


Indeed...
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
February 02 2012 12:09 GMT
#1699
On February 02 2012 07:28 Aserrin wrote:
I don't understand why there is so much controversy about a player who isn't even Code A material.


What foreigner is atm ? T_T
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
February 02 2012 18:07 GMT
#1700
On February 02 2012 15:20 Aserrin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 15:03 hrvoje07 wrote:
said stephano is the best player outside of korea.

Even if that's true, that's not saying much considering there's easily 40-50 (or maybe 60) players better than him.

Edited my former post, HerO is in Code A.

And I don't hate Stephano, the hell are you smoking? How can I hate someone I don't even know just because he doesn't play videogames as good as the best players?

I'm just puzzled why people get so worked up over a player who could at best get a 1-4 in Ro32 of Code S or would have troubles not falling off of Code A, which are the most competitive and prestigious tournaments at the moment.

To cite an example, it's like people making a big deal about the korean soccer league. No one cares because they aren't important and nowhere near the best in the world.

I guess only some koreans make a big deal of it, the same way only some foreigners get so amazed by Stephano.


Reminds me how bad Lugano is when he has to play in a better championship than turkey, is really this guy the uruguay captain ?
Stop saying so meaning less things. Who wuold yo place above him ? I see only Huk and Naniwa who could pretend, and i still think steph is better.
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
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