EPTMan Stephano gonna get shit on by retards for doing a legit thing. But whatevs its just a fucking game.
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ZergMaestro
United States169 Posts
Man Stephano gonna get shit on by retards for doing a legit thing. But whatevs its just a fucking game. User was warned for this post | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
Also not sure why BlazeFury01 got warned for his post. Slight exageration, maybe, but he does have a point imo. | ||
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F-Decoy
France245 Posts
On February 02 2012 02:01 SolidMustard wrote: But I am le tired!! Seriously this amazes me that this thread reached 80+ pages o_O You don't look new on TL, do you? | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:59 ZergMaestro wrote: didn't read the comments but, Man Stephano gonna get shit on by retards for doing a legit thing. But whatevs its just a fucking game. The retarded thing to do is to defend the indefensible because fanboyism clearly makes one's mind blurry and unable to see that what he did is extremely unprofessional, but enough of that. At least and last Stephano apologized for it and this thread should be closed. | ||
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NineteenSC2
Canada117 Posts
1. "this is just a game, the kid wanted to sleep". 2. "this is more than a game, it's a shaping to be a professional sport" Quite frankly I was #1 until I gave it a bit more thought. Stephano leaving is perfectly fine for Stephano, however, it's a selfish decision. If he knew he has rigid schedules he should not have signed up/started the tournament. I say this because his actions directly hurts the tournament host and sponsors giving them less incentive to host the next one. Small decision, but if more players continue to do this we shouldn't call it an "ESPORT". | ||
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blug
Australia623 Posts
On February 02 2012 02:18 NineteenSC2 wrote: There's two types of mentalities in this thread: 1. "this is just a game, the kid wanted to sleep". 2. "this is more than a game, it's a shaping to be a professional sport" Quite frankly I was #1 until I gave it a bit more thought. Stephano leaving is perfectly fine for Stephano, however, it's a selfish decision. If he knew he has rigid schedules he should not have signed up/started the tournament. I say this because his actions directly hurts the tournament host and sponsors giving them less incentive to host the next one. Small decision, but if more players continue to do this we shouldn't call it an "ESPORT". Exactly, and yes... it's just a game to us viewers just like football is just a game to football fans, however, it's gotten to the point where a large majority of players are making a lively hood from this game so no, it's not a game for them it's their job. In that respect, to maintain a job you must be a professional, and what stephano did was not professional at all, and all it has done is hindered the likely hood of him being invited to future tournaments. It's fine what Stephano did in terms of ethics, but I know if I was searching for people to be in my tournaments, I would stray far away from players like stephano, even if there was a 1% chance of him bailing, because having a professional player bailing on the last game of a tournament can jeopardize the intergrity and reputation of the tournament holder. To anyone saying this isn't a big deal well... you can say it isn't, but if you want to see E-Sports become bigger then allowing small incidents like this to happen will only allow it to turn into the norm, and under a professional scene, it simply isn't acceptable. | ||
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hegeo
Germany194 Posts
On February 02 2012 02:18 NineteenSC2 wrote: There's two types of mentalities in this thread: 1. "this is just a game, the kid wanted to sleep". 2. "this is more than a game, it's a shaping to be a professional sport" Quite frankly I was #1 until I gave it a bit more thought. Stephano leaving is perfectly fine for Stephano, however, it's a selfish decision. If he knew he has rigid schedules he should not have signed up/started the tournament. I say this because his actions directly hurts the tournament host and sponsors giving them less incentive to host the next one. Small decision, but if more players continue to do this we shouldn't call it an "ESPORT". I think this thread may have more than 80 pages because two nearly mutually exclusive concepts collide, the "how E-sports should be" for players and audiences: What maybe we don't realize is that Stephano's behaviour shows a professional mechanism typical for other sports. Being a professional means to do business decisions, getting oneself in the best position to earn as much money with your work as possible. It is quite common for professional musicians, football players etc. to maintain a high but still not overwhelming level of work, you will try to balance your work loads so that you don't suffer a burn-out or physical illnesses in the long term. The problem is that your work load can only be remotely calculated as an SCII-pro. If a tournament is a winner-bracket-only one without group stages etc, it may be over for you after one game or after the final. So you will obviously try to get as many opportunities to gain money by trying to play as many tournaments as you can. (this is pretty normal for tennis pros, especially when preparing for bigger tournaments, and they will also re-plan their schedule based on how good they fare) So this obviously collides with the intention of tournament organizers, and especially the audiences (us "amateurs", meaning people watching SC "solely" because they love it). Here, the "entertainment value" of somebody like Stephano is measured against his "being a professional athlete who has to care for himself". | ||
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BoBiNoU
France181 Posts
I think that Stephano ( like Naniwa ) makes people envious and therefore rage when he doesn't want to play a game for any reason possible. Maybe if he had been aware of the barcraft thing he would have stayed and played those bad games. And let's be honest , casting LIVE online games for a US based barcraft (or any other tournament) with US and EU players without foreseeing such issues is a bit amateurish. I guess this is why all grand tournaments ( TSL, IPL , NASL for his biggest part ) are casted FROM replays rather than live games ... | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On February 02 2012 03:58 BoBiNoU wrote: The guy gives up a 1000$ so he can go rest and not play half entertaining games and people are still bashing him. I think that Stephano ( like Naniwa ) makes people envious and therefore rage when he doesn't want to play a game for any reason possible. Maybe if he had been aware of the barcraft thing he would have stayed and played those bad games. And let's be honest , casting LIVE online games for a US based barcraft (or any other tournament) with US and EU players without foreseeing such issues is a bit amateurish. I guess this is why all grand tournaments ( TSL, IPL , NASL for his biggest part ) are casted FROM replays rather than live games ... Yeah, same with the MLG, NASL finals, IPL finals, and the GSL! Replays are the way to go! Wait... | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On February 02 2012 03:58 BoBiNoU wrote: The guy gives up a 1000$ so he can go rest and not play half entertaining games and people are still bashing him. I think that Stephano ( like Naniwa ) makes people envious and therefore rage when he doesn't want to play a game for any reason possible. Maybe if he had been aware of the barcraft thing he would have stayed and played those bad games. And let's be honest , casting LIVE online games for a US based barcraft (or any other tournament) with US and EU players without foreseeing such issues is a bit amateurish. I guess this is why all grand tournaments ( TSL, IPL , NASL for his biggest part ) are casted FROM replays rather than live games ... The "grand tournaments" are casted from Replays rather than live games because the timezone. The difference here is that Stephano personally signed up for this tournament with knowledge about the timezone, THAT is amateurish of him. They're not casting this FOR the barcraft, the bar is hosting a barcraft FOR spectators that want to watch the tournament. Stephano ruining it like this is extremely UNPROFESSIONAL of him as this is his JOB, not hobby anymore. Incredibly sad to see him behave like this, very arrogant. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On February 02 2012 04:05 sereniity wrote: The "grand tournaments" are casted from Replays rather than live games because the timezone. The difference here is that Stephano personally signed up for this tournament with knowledge about the timezone, THAT is amateurish of him. They're not casting this FOR the barcraft, the bar is hosting a barcraft FOR spectators that want to watch the tournament. Stephano ruining it like this is extremely UNPROFESSIONAL of him as this is his JOB, not hobby anymore. Incredibly sad to see him behave like this, very arrogant. How naïve ! You think he signed up for that ? He got invited that is what happened. The only competition Stephano apply to are the one his manager told him to. | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
On February 02 2012 04:02 TrickyGilligan wrote: Yeah, same with the MLG, NASL finals, IPL finals, and the GSL! Replays are the way to go! Wait... None of your example are offline, which makes your remark completely irrelevant. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On February 02 2012 04:11 Otolia wrote: How naïve ! You think he signed up for that ? He got invited that is what happened. The only competition Stephano apply to are the one his manager told him to. Mate, he accepted the invite. Its not like they invited him the instant before the matches were starting, but long beforehand. Get it? He signed up for the tournament, thus making it btw impossible for another player to play. If he had declined the invite, someone else could have played in his place. And youre even more naive if you think a manager schedules his tournaments, it seems that you have absolutely no clue. I mean, being french and all, maybe its hard to fathom because its a player from your country: but stephano did a mistake. And you know the best part? He admitted it and tried to explain himself, promising to watch out for stuff like that in the future. So even if i dont like him, hes a bigger man than you are, at least he has some balls. PS: its stupid to try and defend someone, who actually agrees to the "charges" (not my primary language, dont know a better word). | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On February 02 2012 04:11 Otolia wrote: How naïve ! You think he signed up for that ? He got invited that is what happened. The only competition Stephano apply to are the one his manager told him to. Same difference pal.. he accepted to play. I can't believe how blinded people become because of fanboyism. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:59 ZergMaestro wrote: didn't read the comments but, Man Stephano gonna get shit on by retards for doing a legit thing. But whatevs its just a fucking game. I'm not sure stating that you enter a discussion without seeing the viewpoints already discussed and then putting down an opinion that insults people who legitimately believe that if you accept an invitation into a tournament, you are responsible for it is a good thing. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On February 02 2012 04:50 m4inbrain wrote: Mate, he accepted the invite. Its not like they invited him the instant before the matches were starting, but long beforehand. Get it? He signed up for the tournament, thus making it btw impossible for another player to play. If he had declined the invite, someone else could have played in his place. And youre even more naive if you think a manager schedules his tournaments, it seems that you have absolutely no clue. I mean, being french and all, maybe its hard to fathom because its a player from your country: but stephano did a mistake. And you know the best part? He admitted it and tried to explain himself, promising to watch out for stuff like that in the future. So even if i dont like him, hes a bigger man than you are, at least he has some balls. PS: its stupid to try and defend someone, who actually agrees to the "charges" (not my primary language, dont know a better word). Keep your personal attacks for you. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
-Stephano was invited and agreed to play -Stephano delayed the beginning by 45m -Stephano refused to play because it was very late and went offline So if people waited for him 45minutes i think he should have held on and played until the end. Was he wrong? yes imo Should he be killed? no imo Are france people to blame? no imo Does france people deserve this because of what stephano did? no my 2 cents | ||
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TRnoSki
United Kingdom51 Posts
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Rosbife
Portugal15 Posts
It's his and no one else's right to play or forfeit the game. Stop this misconceived illusion that all that matters to the pros is the fans and the quality of the games. They are PROFESSIONAL players, who have stepped up their gaming. It's not personal entertainment for them, regardless of how much they still enjoy playing the game on their own time. It's their JOB and if people (fans) want to put in the money to watch them play eachother, it's simply a choice of ours, it doesn't imply ANYTHING in terms of what they can or cannot do. What they do has an impact on the fans, sure. But that doesn't mean they CAN'T do it. Seriously, how many of you hypocrites actually expect something like this to ever happen in mainstream sports such as football or tennis? A team/player being disqualified or downranked simply beacuse they forfeited ONE game? Yet you want ESports to grow to the same status. Hilarious. It's the player's RIGHT and there is nothing you can argue against that. It is as simple as that. He chose to "lose" $1000 because he didn't have the time nor rest to play one more series (might have been due to an overcommitment of tournaments, but then again, seriously, in WHAT way does the reason behind it give him any more or less RIGHT?). It's ludicrous how you lash out at him instead of at the organization, who effectively Stole money from Stephano by downranking him after he earned his at-least-second spot. And for those who prefer the "personal attack" approach rather than using actual arguments: I'm not a fan of Stephano, I sometimes watch him play because I play Zerg and he has very useful builds. I am also not a regular commenter on TeamLiquid, so I've no idea whatsoever whether I'll be banned for this post. Though I would assume not; after all the war the internet brought against SOPA/ACTA/PIPA, it would just be hilarious to see that kind of censorship. | ||
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