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Black17
Profile Joined October 2011
France435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 11:51:56
February 01 2012 11:51 GMT
#1601
80 pages for this.... really ? -.-

edit: 81 actually :/
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
February 01 2012 12:44 GMT
#1602
On February 01 2012 20:24 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 20:23 Juice! wrote:
On February 01 2012 20:19 Frankon wrote:
On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:
On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.

Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players.


Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting.
Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus...

Not sure about the Nexus. But killing your own CC with SCVs happened already in a pro game....


are you sure? Where?

Idra Vs. MMA at MLG Orlando I believe.

Edit: The proberush was in an irrelevant game after they wouldn't let him forfeit....>_>

Actually Naniwa never asked if he could forfeit the proberush match. Naniwa said so himself in an interview on LO3.
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
February 01 2012 12:49 GMT
#1603
On February 01 2012 20:51 Black17 wrote:
80 pages for this.... really ? -.-

edit: 81 actually :/


People find it interesting and important to talk about. If you don't - well, you have the option of not reading.
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
kenjilol
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland9 Posts
February 01 2012 12:50 GMT
#1604
In my opinion he made a right choice.

After all you should take care of your health in first place and if your up-time all ready is so high that your
going to almost fall asleep during games, theres no good reason to continue on the tournament.

All this "you should think about fans also" makes kinda no sense, because the games would been awful if your focus is like
0/10

Peace.

derp
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
February 01 2012 12:51 GMT
#1605
On February 01 2012 21:49 Mentalizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 20:51 Black17 wrote:
80 pages for this.... really ? -.-

edit: 81 actually :/


People find it interesting and important to talk about. If you don't - well, you have the option of not reading.


Actually it's more like a select few that go on and on about the same thing page after page.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
February 01 2012 12:59 GMT
#1606
On February 01 2012 18:01 Megabuster123 wrote:
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On February 01 2012 17:45 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 01 2012 17:20 s4life wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:32 Hydroxyl wrote:
LOL at EG's Stephano slander campaign on ITG, where Demuslim took it out on Stephano for not playing all the matches he was involved with when signing with the ONOG tournament, and disapointing the audience, when himself forfeited in the middle of a tournament and threw matches to the face of fans (ESWC NA qualifier). Way to be a hypocrite, Ben.
(not talking about the fact he decided to throw his games only when he faced his team mate Idra, to secure him a step further in the qualifier rather than letting the players he eliminated earlier in the bracket to have a chance to face Idra and get the chance, that Ben and EG's trick robbed, to qualify)

Also Incontrol talking about endurance when he has never been in a situation where he had to play more than a bo3 in any tournament bracket he participated, due to being out everytime on the first round (despite MLG giving him all the second chances in the world where nobody else would, and for a good reason).
Why is Incontrol even talking about something he clearly has no clue about? Easy to talk about exhaustion in tournament when your experience of it resumes to settle your keyboard and putting in back in your bag a couple of minutes later.

"I would love that have his problems" - Looks like Jealousy has spoken through Incontrol's mouth, but making it loud enough to be heard isn't a wise choice if you want to look a legitimate arguer.

Fact is EG is trying to get Idra back on the spotlight and continues to bash people's mind with the illusion of him being the n°1 foreigner zerg, but that's not how to do it: he has to prove it himself, but sadly for EG he can't win a game to save his credibility.
That's what EG doesn't get, when taking everyone for dumbass sheeps, champions are made on the battlefield and recognised by the viewers, not built by the marketing squad and sold by force to people in contradiction with the actual results.

And ranting about it on a show will not change anything about it.


Typical attack to the messenger and not the message.. if you are really that butthurt you should at least make an argument that in some way might justify why Stephano acted like a douche rather than trying to portray EG as this evil empire which is pretty much only in your head.


Typical attack to the messenger and not the message when trying dismiss an attack to a messenger and not to a message... Wait that doesn't make any sence? Yeah that pretty much sums up your argumentation: formulating intricate sentences with words you've been hearing left and right when you have yourself no clue about the ins and outs of it, in most cases will give you such a terrible result rather than making you look like a genius

By the way why are you using such categories like "attack" or "evil empire"? Too many movies and comics worked on yourself if you can't have an argument without falling into clichés and dichotomies between "good" and "evil". No wonder you're showing such a binary and stereotyped behavior on forums.


The irony...


Indeed.. how do you even respond to that without lowering your IQ? Hydroxyl must be very satisfied now thinking he's so smart for having 'figured me out'.. ah well.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
February 01 2012 13:04 GMT
#1607
On February 01 2012 19:56 Hydroxyl wrote:
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On February 01 2012 19:51 Sephinor wrote:
"I wanted to apologize to ONOG Staff and all my fans. I didn't know that the event was casted live from a Barcraft, and also that so much people were watching my games in finals. I had played two competitions the same day and handling time was an issue. As a result, it was difficult to find a good compromise to satisfy everyone. Be sure that I understand my mistake and all it means to the ONOG Staff, that's why I completely agree with their decision regarding my ranking. I will do my best in the future to prevent this kind of situation.

-Stephano"

source: http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-communique-stephano-sur-l-onog-one-nation-of-gamer-et-millenium-60439


And yet again nowadays you have to make up for other's immaturity by making yourself the leading step.


So, it turns out Stephano is a hero for apologizing after behaving like a total douche.. who would have thought?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 01 2012 13:25 GMT
#1608
On February 01 2012 21:50 kenjilol wrote:
In my opinion he made a right choice.

After all you should take care of your health in first place and if your up-time all ready is so high that your
going to almost fall asleep during games, theres no good reason to continue on the tournament.

All this "you should think about fans also" makes kinda no sense, because the games would been awful if your focus is like
0/10

Peace.


Ahaha take care of your health? Have you ever stayed up late? He doesn't work and can technically sleep for as long as he likes. It's fine, if misguided, to approve his decision, but you don't have to come up with inane justifications.
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
February 01 2012 13:28 GMT
#1609
On February 01 2012 22:25 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 21:50 kenjilol wrote:
In my opinion he made a right choice.

After all you should take care of your health in first place and if your up-time all ready is so high that your
going to almost fall asleep during games, theres no good reason to continue on the tournament.

All this "you should think about fans also" makes kinda no sense, because the games would been awful if your focus is like
0/10

Peace.


Ahaha take care of your health? Have you ever stayed up late? He doesn't work and can technically sleep for as long as he likes. It's fine, if misguided, to approve his decision, but you don't have to come up with inane justifications.

He don't work. But as far as I know he still go to school, so no he can't sleep for as long as he likes. That said, I also don't think it would be THAT bad for his health to only sleep for a few hours once in a while.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 01 2012 13:30 GMT
#1610
I've been lead to believe that he is taking a sabbatical and based on his streaming times, that appears accurate
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
February 01 2012 13:33 GMT
#1611
On February 01 2012 22:28 JackDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 22:25 syllogism wrote:
On February 01 2012 21:50 kenjilol wrote:
In my opinion he made a right choice.

After all you should take care of your health in first place and if your up-time all ready is so high that your
going to almost fall asleep during games, theres no good reason to continue on the tournament.

All this "you should think about fans also" makes kinda no sense, because the games would been awful if your focus is like
0/10

Peace.


Ahaha take care of your health? Have you ever stayed up late? He doesn't work and can technically sleep for as long as he likes. It's fine, if misguided, to approve his decision, but you don't have to come up with inane justifications.

He don't work. But as far as I know he still go to school, so no he can't sleep for as long as he likes. That said, I also don't think it would be THAT bad for his health to only sleep for a few hours once in a while.

He is one of the few professional (full-time salary with a proper work contract) in EU.
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
February 01 2012 13:39 GMT
#1612
On February 01 2012 22:33 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 22:28 JackDragon wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:25 syllogism wrote:
On February 01 2012 21:50 kenjilol wrote:
In my opinion he made a right choice.

After all you should take care of your health in first place and if your up-time all ready is so high that your
going to almost fall asleep during games, theres no good reason to continue on the tournament.

All this "you should think about fans also" makes kinda no sense, because the games would been awful if your focus is like
0/10

Peace.


Ahaha take care of your health? Have you ever stayed up late? He doesn't work and can technically sleep for as long as he likes. It's fine, if misguided, to approve his decision, but you don't have to come up with inane justifications.

He don't work. But as far as I know he still go to school, so no he can't sleep for as long as he likes. That said, I also don't think it would be THAT bad for his health to only sleep for a few hours once in a while.

He is one of the few professional (full-time salary with a proper work contract) in EU.

Doesn't change the fact that he is going to school though.
GreyMasta
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada197 Posts
February 01 2012 13:40 GMT
#1613
Question: You have 2 EU players playing a final. And you know that their local times are 3:00AM & 4:00AM you know that.

Why won't you postpone the schedule to have a chance to cast way more kickass games?
In tennis when rain falls you just wait for it to finish, and if a game's schedule goes past 10:00PM you just postpone it to the next day. Even finals.

This tourny chose to put their crew & their audience rate before the players' health and the quality of the games.
This part also has to be questionned IMO.

For me this is a 1:1
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
February 01 2012 13:44 GMT
#1614
On February 01 2012 21:44 JackDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 20:24 Megabuster123 wrote:
On February 01 2012 20:23 Juice! wrote:
On February 01 2012 20:19 Frankon wrote:
On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:
On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.

Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players.


Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting.
Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus...

Not sure about the Nexus. But killing your own CC with SCVs happened already in a pro game....


are you sure? Where?

Idra Vs. MMA at MLG Orlando I believe.

Edit: The proberush was in an irrelevant game after they wouldn't let him forfeit....>_>

Actually Naniwa never asked if he could forfeit the proberush match. Naniwa said so himself in an interview on LO3.

0.0

That's enlightening actually. I thought he did. Thanks for the clarification.
AcuWill
Profile Joined August 2010
United States281 Posts
February 01 2012 13:47 GMT
#1615
On February 01 2012 22:40 GreyMasta wrote:
Question: You have 2 EU players playing a final. And you know that their local times are 3:00AM & 4:00AM you know that.

Why won't you postpone the schedule to have a chance to cast way more kickass games?
In tennis when rain falls you just wait for it to finish, and if a game's schedule goes past 10:00PM you just postpone it to the next day. Even finals.

This tourny chose to put their crew & their audience rate before the players' health and the quality of the games.
This part also has to be questionned IMO.

For me this is a 1:1

It is pretty clear you have either: A. Not read anything about the incident and have no idea what was going on and why the tournament was played, or B. Have to reading comprehension.


I will give you the TL;DR version:

Tourney was for live Barcraft in US.
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
February 01 2012 13:49 GMT
#1616
As much as i dont want to admit it, stephano took responsibility (sort of), so.. Discussion is actually really obsolete.

At least i am "satisfied", turns out he is not as careless as it seemed. If he really learns from what happened, its win/win for everybody - orgas, fans etc. So.. Drop it?
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
February 01 2012 13:53 GMT
#1617
On February 01 2012 22:40 GreyMasta wrote:
Question: You have 2 EU players playing a final. And you know that their local times are 3:00AM & 4:00AM you know that.

Why won't you postpone the schedule to have a chance to cast way more kickass games?
In tennis when rain falls you just wait for it to finish, and if a game's schedule goes past 10:00PM you just postpone it to the next day. Even finals.

This tourny chose to put their crew & their audience rate before the players' health and the quality of the games.
This part also has to be questionned IMO.

For me this is a 1:1

It was a invitational sponsored and run from USA for Barcrafts in the USA and was supposed to be played on the NA server with players for all around the world. The schedule was set to fit the US barcrafts because it is they who sponsors it. And so they can't just postpone it however they like. it is unreasonable. And there was no guarantee that there would be 2 players from EU in the final when the schedule was made, the EU players however were well aware of the time. Sure it was delayed, but that was Stephanos fault because he was playing in another tournament as well so you can't blame the time on delays.

Also, while you maybe postpone matches in tennis (I don't know anything about tennis), that is not the same for every sport so you can't really have it as argument. Every sport don't do the same thing. But in starcraft you never, at least very seldom, postpone matches.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
February 01 2012 13:58 GMT
#1618
OP should add Stephano's statement
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 01 2012 13:59 GMT
#1619
If he was too tired to play then he was too tired. Sounds like he didn't have a problem with them bumping him to forth.
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
February 01 2012 13:59 GMT
#1620
Well Tyler did it first so stephano thought its ok ^^
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