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On February 01 2012 19:54 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:50 seiferoth10 wrote:On February 01 2012 19:47 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 19:21 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 18:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 18:06 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 17:45 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 17:20 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 16:32 Hydroxyl wrote:
LOL at EG's Stephano slander campaign on ITG, where Demuslim took it out on Stephano for not playing all the matches he was involved with when signing with the ONOG tournament, and disapointing the audience, when himself forfeited in the middle of a tournament and threw matches to the face of fans (ESWC NA qualifier). Way to be a hypocrite, Ben.
(not talking about the fact he decided to throw his games only when he faced his team mate Idra, to secure him a step further in the qualifier rather than letting the players he eliminated earlier in the bracket to have a chance to face Idra and get the chance, that Ben and EG's trick robbed, to qualify)
Also Incontrol talking about endurance when he has never been in a situation where he had to play more than a bo3 in any tournament bracket he participated, due to being out everytime on the first round (despite MLG giving him all the second chances in the world where nobody else would, and for a good reason).
Why is Incontrol even talking about something he clearly has no clue about? Easy to talk about exhaustion in tournament when your experience of it resumes to settle your keyboard and putting in back in your bag a couple of minutes later.
"I would love that have his problems" - Looks like Jealousy has spoken through Incontrol's mouth, but making it loud enough to be heard isn't a wise choice if you want to look a legitimate arguer.
Fact is EG is trying to get Idra back on the spotlight and continues to bash people's mind with the illusion of him being the n°1 foreigner zerg, but that's not how to do it: he has to prove it himself, but sadly for EG he can't win a game to save his credibility.
That's what EG doesn't get, when taking everyone for dumbass sheeps, champions are made on the battlefield and recognised by the viewers, not built by the marketing squad and sold by force to people in contradiction with the actual results.
And ranting about it on a show will not change anything about it. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message.. if you are really that butthurt you should at least make an argument that in some way might justify why Stephano acted like a douche rather than trying to portray EG as this evil empire which is pretty much only in your head. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message when trying dismiss an attack to a messenger and not to a message... Wait that doesn't make any sence? Yeah that pretty much sums up your argumentation: formulating intricate sentences with words you've been hearing left and right when you have yourself no clue about the ins and outs of it, in most cases will give you such a terrible result rather than making you look like a genius By the way why are you using such categories like "attack" or "evil empire"? Too many movies and comics worked on yourself if you can't have an argument without falling into clichés and dichotomies between "good" and "evil". No wonder you're showing such a binary and stereotyped behavior on forums. You do realize you still havnt actually given a reason why your conspiracy theory makes sense. The fact that some players on EG critisized Stephano for quitting the finals of a tournament isnt so much shocking as it is obvious. I would have been more surprised if they had said that not playing in the finals of a tournament that is literally delaying itself to accompany you is a good thing. I'm going to make it more obvious for yourself: where were Demuslim and Incontrol (and TL redaction making a community news about it - still surprised this website is considered by the majority as a community website, when we see such a double standart in its policy, not talking about tyler's forfeiting in ONOG or ragequitting in NASL, and other bias in prediction posts when TL players happen to play in a tournament) when Idra forfeited matches supposed to be broadcasted live in IPL 3 (he even justified it by being tired - the irony) or Ben throwing games in a Naniwa fashion to Idra (bit by bit!!) in ESWC NA qualifiers (didn't matter to him since he couldn't attend - but, you know, what about the fans that wanted that match and that make what is esport??)? Where were the news on ESFI with insightful but confidential guests? Nowhere to be found. There's no conspiracy theory, I'm not talking about obscure probabilities motivated by acquiescence of interests, I'm just stating the obvious. All of those things were talked about either because they had threads or because the LR thread where the event happend talked about it to death for next 20 pages. Also the Idra IPL3 event was talked about a little but they were so far behind that it probably was one of the reasons they finished in time. I know that, but TL still didn't take a position while deciding to upgrade it to a community news. "The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff." not anymore. My point is this was all discussed in the same fashion in ONOG's LR, nothing different should have motivated TL to write a community news in the first time if they stand by the policy they advertise as a part of their image and website, and moreover when they do it in this case and not for the precedents. It was actually EG who secretly paid the writers of TL to make this article and upgrade it to community news, and it worked beautifully. Sarcasm is a poor way of admitting having no arguments to defend your point. Works for me.
I'm glad you finally realize how ridiculous your EG conspiracy theory is.
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On February 01 2012 19:51 Sephinor wrote:"I wanted to apologize to ONOG Staff and all my fans. I didn't know that the event was casted live from a Barcraft, and also that so much people were watching my games in finals. I had played two competitions the same day and handling time was an issue. As a result, it was difficult to find a good compromise to satisfy everyone. Be sure that I understand my mistake and all it means to the ONOG Staff, that's why I completely agree with their decision regarding my ranking. I will do my best in the future to prevent this kind of situation. -Stephano" source: http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-communique-stephano-sur-l-onog-one-nation-of-gamer-et-millenium-60439
And yet again nowadays you have to make up for other's immaturity by making yourself the leading step.
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On February 01 2012 18:43 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:41 Swede wrote:
Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic. 5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave that way you can win some sleep haha.
The funniest part of the "too tired" argument is that Kas was an hour AHEAD of Stephano. You know why he had no problem staying up til 3-4-5 am playing to win? Because he planned for it and rested accordingly.
I dont doubt that after Stephano's severely overbooked day (his own fault) he was very tired. I also do not deny that the games would have been bad if he had stayed up (again, his fault). But the conclusion to this, even with punishment, is totally unsatisfactory. Stephano basically messed up big time and bought his way out of it.
The reason I think a lot of people feel so upset by this is that the goal of a punishment is to change behavior, not just to punish. Putting aside evaluations of the punishment note for note, does anybody here feel like a lesson was learned? Does anybody here honestly think Stephano or any other pro will stop overbooking? Does anybody here think professional players will start to behave with the same level of professionalism as those who have invested tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars into tournament production? I dont, and this could be another missed opportunity to move in that direction.
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On February 01 2012 19:55 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:50 seiferoth10 wrote:On February 01 2012 19:47 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 19:21 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 18:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 18:06 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 17:45 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 17:20 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 16:32 Hydroxyl wrote:
LOL at EG's Stephano slander campaign on ITG, where Demuslim took it out on Stephano for not playing all the matches he was involved with when signing with the ONOG tournament, and disapointing the audience, when himself forfeited in the middle of a tournament and threw matches to the face of fans (ESWC NA qualifier). Way to be a hypocrite, Ben.
(not talking about the fact he decided to throw his games only when he faced his team mate Idra, to secure him a step further in the qualifier rather than letting the players he eliminated earlier in the bracket to have a chance to face Idra and get the chance, that Ben and EG's trick robbed, to qualify)
Also Incontrol talking about endurance when he has never been in a situation where he had to play more than a bo3 in any tournament bracket he participated, due to being out everytime on the first round (despite MLG giving him all the second chances in the world where nobody else would, and for a good reason).
Why is Incontrol even talking about something he clearly has no clue about? Easy to talk about exhaustion in tournament when your experience of it resumes to settle your keyboard and putting in back in your bag a couple of minutes later.
"I would love that have his problems" - Looks like Jealousy has spoken through Incontrol's mouth, but making it loud enough to be heard isn't a wise choice if you want to look a legitimate arguer.
Fact is EG is trying to get Idra back on the spotlight and continues to bash people's mind with the illusion of him being the n°1 foreigner zerg, but that's not how to do it: he has to prove it himself, but sadly for EG he can't win a game to save his credibility.
That's what EG doesn't get, when taking everyone for dumbass sheeps, champions are made on the battlefield and recognised by the viewers, not built by the marketing squad and sold by force to people in contradiction with the actual results.
And ranting about it on a show will not change anything about it. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message.. if you are really that butthurt you should at least make an argument that in some way might justify why Stephano acted like a douche rather than trying to portray EG as this evil empire which is pretty much only in your head. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message when trying dismiss an attack to a messenger and not to a message... Wait that doesn't make any sence? Yeah that pretty much sums up your argumentation: formulating intricate sentences with words you've been hearing left and right when you have yourself no clue about the ins and outs of it, in most cases will give you such a terrible result rather than making you look like a genius By the way why are you using such categories like "attack" or "evil empire"? Too many movies and comics worked on yourself if you can't have an argument without falling into clichés and dichotomies between "good" and "evil". No wonder you're showing such a binary and stereotyped behavior on forums. You do realize you still havnt actually given a reason why your conspiracy theory makes sense. The fact that some players on EG critisized Stephano for quitting the finals of a tournament isnt so much shocking as it is obvious. I would have been more surprised if they had said that not playing in the finals of a tournament that is literally delaying itself to accompany you is a good thing. I'm going to make it more obvious for yourself: where were Demuslim and Incontrol (and TL redaction making a community news about it - still surprised this website is considered by the majority as a community website, when we see such a double standart in its policy, not talking about tyler's forfeiting in ONOG or ragequitting in NASL, and other bias in prediction posts when TL players happen to play in a tournament) when Idra forfeited matches supposed to be broadcasted live in IPL 3 (he even justified it by being tired - the irony) or Ben throwing games in a Naniwa fashion to Idra (bit by bit!!) in ESWC NA qualifiers (didn't matter to him since he couldn't attend - but, you know, what about the fans that wanted that match and that make what is esport??)? Where were the news on ESFI with insightful but confidential guests? Nowhere to be found. There's no conspiracy theory, I'm not talking about obscure probabilities motivated by acquiescence of interests, I'm just stating the obvious. All of those things were talked about either because they had threads or because the LR thread where the event happend talked about it to death for next 20 pages. Also the Idra IPL3 event was talked about a little but they were so far behind that it probably was one of the reasons they finished in time. I know that, but TL still didn't take a position while deciding to upgrade it to a community news. "The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff." not anymore. My point is this was all discussed in the same fashion in ONOG's LR, nothing different should have motivated TL to write a community news in the first time if they stand by the policy they advertise as a part of their image and website, and moreover when they do it in this case and not for the precedents. It was actually EG who secretly paid the writers of TL to make this article and upgrade it to community news, and it worked beautifully. He didn't say that. He speaks about double standard.
He's being sarcastic because his original post was riddled with conspiracy theory...>_>
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On February 01 2012 19:56 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:54 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 19:50 seiferoth10 wrote:On February 01 2012 19:47 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 19:21 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 18:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 18:06 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 17:45 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 17:20 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 16:32 Hydroxyl wrote:
LOL at EG's Stephano slander campaign on ITG, where Demuslim took it out on Stephano for not playing all the matches he was involved with when signing with the ONOG tournament, and disapointing the audience, when himself forfeited in the middle of a tournament and threw matches to the face of fans (ESWC NA qualifier). Way to be a hypocrite, Ben.
(not talking about the fact he decided to throw his games only when he faced his team mate Idra, to secure him a step further in the qualifier rather than letting the players he eliminated earlier in the bracket to have a chance to face Idra and get the chance, that Ben and EG's trick robbed, to qualify)
Also Incontrol talking about endurance when he has never been in a situation where he had to play more than a bo3 in any tournament bracket he participated, due to being out everytime on the first round (despite MLG giving him all the second chances in the world where nobody else would, and for a good reason).
Why is Incontrol even talking about something he clearly has no clue about? Easy to talk about exhaustion in tournament when your experience of it resumes to settle your keyboard and putting in back in your bag a couple of minutes later.
"I would love that have his problems" - Looks like Jealousy has spoken through Incontrol's mouth, but making it loud enough to be heard isn't a wise choice if you want to look a legitimate arguer.
Fact is EG is trying to get Idra back on the spotlight and continues to bash people's mind with the illusion of him being the n°1 foreigner zerg, but that's not how to do it: he has to prove it himself, but sadly for EG he can't win a game to save his credibility.
That's what EG doesn't get, when taking everyone for dumbass sheeps, champions are made on the battlefield and recognised by the viewers, not built by the marketing squad and sold by force to people in contradiction with the actual results.
And ranting about it on a show will not change anything about it. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message.. if you are really that butthurt you should at least make an argument that in some way might justify why Stephano acted like a douche rather than trying to portray EG as this evil empire which is pretty much only in your head. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message when trying dismiss an attack to a messenger and not to a message... Wait that doesn't make any sence? Yeah that pretty much sums up your argumentation: formulating intricate sentences with words you've been hearing left and right when you have yourself no clue about the ins and outs of it, in most cases will give you such a terrible result rather than making you look like a genius By the way why are you using such categories like "attack" or "evil empire"? Too many movies and comics worked on yourself if you can't have an argument without falling into clichés and dichotomies between "good" and "evil". No wonder you're showing such a binary and stereotyped behavior on forums. You do realize you still havnt actually given a reason why your conspiracy theory makes sense. The fact that some players on EG critisized Stephano for quitting the finals of a tournament isnt so much shocking as it is obvious. I would have been more surprised if they had said that not playing in the finals of a tournament that is literally delaying itself to accompany you is a good thing. I'm going to make it more obvious for yourself: where were Demuslim and Incontrol (and TL redaction making a community news about it - still surprised this website is considered by the majority as a community website, when we see such a double standart in its policy, not talking about tyler's forfeiting in ONOG or ragequitting in NASL, and other bias in prediction posts when TL players happen to play in a tournament) when Idra forfeited matches supposed to be broadcasted live in IPL 3 (he even justified it by being tired - the irony) or Ben throwing games in a Naniwa fashion to Idra (bit by bit!!) in ESWC NA qualifiers (didn't matter to him since he couldn't attend - but, you know, what about the fans that wanted that match and that make what is esport??)? Where were the news on ESFI with insightful but confidential guests? Nowhere to be found. There's no conspiracy theory, I'm not talking about obscure probabilities motivated by acquiescence of interests, I'm just stating the obvious. All of those things were talked about either because they had threads or because the LR thread where the event happend talked about it to death for next 20 pages. Also the Idra IPL3 event was talked about a little but they were so far behind that it probably was one of the reasons they finished in time. I know that, but TL still didn't take a position while deciding to upgrade it to a community news. "The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff." not anymore. My point is this was all discussed in the same fashion in ONOG's LR, nothing different should have motivated TL to write a community news in the first time if they stand by the policy they advertise as a part of their image and website, and moreover when they do it in this case and not for the precedents. It was actually EG who secretly paid the writers of TL to make this article and upgrade it to community news, and it worked beautifully. Sarcasm is a poor way of admitting having no arguments to defend your point. Works for me. I'm glad you finally realize how ridiculous your EG conspiracy theory is.
But why do you see a similarity between my post and this one? Why do you choose to see sarcasm in my post? That's like the biggest intellectual hijack that you're trying to operate here lol.
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Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players.
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On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players.
There's a similar pattern that you can't deny, further than talking about the shape of the critics. It's all about turning down competitors and actual competition, and making sc2 a farce. Because when sc2 is a competition, it would only sustain real champions, whereas when it is a show, there's a room for mediocre players that make up for their level by throwing tantrums, balance whining and dem jokes on web shows.
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On February 01 2012 19:56 Robinsa wrote:
Well I think this was an appropriate response. Giving up the final game for no apparent reason there has to be some kind if punishment and I guess this was an appropriate one. If it was gom he proboably would have been banned forver. lol.
Pretty sure GOM wouldn't have held the final match on 3am, and I'm also pretty sure stephano would prioritize differently.
Not like you can expect someone to make a living off of starcraft and at the same time be restricting what they can participate in.. Sometimes it happens that stephano, or someone else, makes it to the RO4 in two tournaments in one night, but most nights they don't make it in any tournament. So imo this discussion is like any parenting bill, or SOPA if you wish, trying to dictate the lives of pro-gamers, into the wee-hours
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On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players.
Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting.
Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus...
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On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus...
I don't understand what's wrong with proberushing....
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On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus...
Not sure about the Nexus. But killing your own CC with SCVs happened already in a pro game....
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On February 01 2012 20:08 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus... I don't understand what's wrong with proberushing....
Throwing the game = ruin the finals.
Forfeiting => There still ended up being a final.
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On February 01 2012 20:19 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus... Not sure about the Nexus. But killing your own CC with SCVs happened already in a pro game....
are you sure? Where?
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Can we just let this shit die already or is there really nothing better going on in the sc2 scene then someone going to bed.
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On February 01 2012 20:23 Juice! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 20:19 Frankon wrote:On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus... Not sure about the Nexus. But killing your own CC with SCVs happened already in a pro game.... are you sure? Where?
Idra Vs. MMA at MLG Orlando I believe.
Edit: The proberush was in an irrelevant game after they wouldn't let him forfeit....>_>
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On February 01 2012 20:24 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 20:23 Juice! wrote:On February 01 2012 20:19 Frankon wrote:On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus... Not sure about the Nexus. But killing your own CC with SCVs happened already in a pro game.... are you sure? Where? Idra Vs. MMA at MLG Orlando I believe. Edit: The proberush was in an irrelevant game after they wouldn't let him forfeit....>_>
Actually it was Goody vs drewbie.
Check Goody fanclub. There is a meme of it ^^
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On February 01 2012 20:30 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 20:24 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 01 2012 20:23 Juice! wrote:On February 01 2012 20:19 Frankon wrote:On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus... Not sure about the Nexus. But killing your own CC with SCVs happened already in a pro game.... are you sure? Where? Idra Vs. MMA at MLG Orlando I believe. Edit: The proberush was in an irrelevant game after they wouldn't let him forfeit....>_> Actually it was Goody vs drewbie. Check Goody fanclub. There is a meme of it ^^
lol, I think MMA killed his CC with marines now that you mention that.
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On February 01 2012 20:32 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 20:30 Frankon wrote:On February 01 2012 20:24 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 01 2012 20:23 Juice! wrote:On February 01 2012 20:19 Frankon wrote:On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus... Not sure about the Nexus. But killing your own CC with SCVs happened already in a pro game.... are you sure? Where? Idra Vs. MMA at MLG Orlando I believe. Edit: The proberush was in an irrelevant game after they wouldn't let him forfeit....>_> Actually it was Goody vs drewbie. Check Goody fanclub. There is a meme of it ^^ lol, I think MMA killed his CC with marines now that you mention that.
Killing it with scvs is more manly ^^
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On February 01 2012 19:56 Velocirapture wrote:
The reason I think a lot of people feel so upset by this is that the goal of a punishment is to change behavior, not just to punish. Putting aside evaluations of the punishment note for note, does anybody here feel like a lesson was learned? Does anybody here honestly think Stephano or any other pro will stop overbooking? Does anybody here think professional players will start to behave with the same level of professionalism as those who have invested tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars into tournament production? I dont, and this could be another missed opportunity to move in that direction.
You are absolutely right. People can make mistakes, they deal with the consequences and hopefully come out of the situation a little wiser for the future. Only time will tell if Stephano has learned anything, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt
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On February 01 2012 20:07 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:58 purpose wrote:
Lets blame Naniwa!! nah but serious though, I dont really mind that Stephano did this, but imagine if it would have been Naniwa? Naniwa gave up a pointless game and all hell brakes lose. Stephano just did not play a final and nothing really big comes out of it.
Seem that there is a difference in how we judge players. Proberushing is much, MUCH worse than forfaiting. Both sitautions are/were "bad", but Proberushing is about the worst thing you can do.. Except probably killing your own Nexus...
that proberush was one of the most entertaining moments in sc of all time, for me.
of cause because it was surprizing and shouldn't become a "standart".
but in that situation with a depressed Naniwa and a meaningless game, it was the most entertaining decission what could be made ^^
but ye it allways comes to the same conclusion - make proper rules for tournaments.
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