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On February 01 2012 18:06 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 17:45 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 17:20 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 16:32 Hydroxyl wrote:
LOL at EG's Stephano slander campaign on ITG, where Demuslim took it out on Stephano for not playing all the matches he was involved with when signing with the ONOG tournament, and disapointing the audience, when himself forfeited in the middle of a tournament and threw matches to the face of fans (ESWC NA qualifier). Way to be a hypocrite, Ben.
(not talking about the fact he decided to throw his games only when he faced his team mate Idra, to secure him a step further in the qualifier rather than letting the players he eliminated earlier in the bracket to have a chance to face Idra and get the chance, that Ben and EG's trick robbed, to qualify)
Also Incontrol talking about endurance when he has never been in a situation where he had to play more than a bo3 in any tournament bracket he participated, due to being out everytime on the first round (despite MLG giving him all the second chances in the world where nobody else would, and for a good reason).
Why is Incontrol even talking about something he clearly has no clue about? Easy to talk about exhaustion in tournament when your experience of it resumes to settle your keyboard and putting in back in your bag a couple of minutes later.
"I would love that have his problems" - Looks like Jealousy has spoken through Incontrol's mouth, but making it loud enough to be heard isn't a wise choice if you want to look a legitimate arguer.
Fact is EG is trying to get Idra back on the spotlight and continues to bash people's mind with the illusion of him being the n°1 foreigner zerg, but that's not how to do it: he has to prove it himself, but sadly for EG he can't win a game to save his credibility.
That's what EG doesn't get, when taking everyone for dumbass sheeps, champions are made on the battlefield and recognised by the viewers, not built by the marketing squad and sold by force to people in contradiction with the actual results.
And ranting about it on a show will not change anything about it. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message.. if you are really that butthurt you should at least make an argument that in some way might justify why Stephano acted like a douche rather than trying to portray EG as this evil empire which is pretty much only in your head. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message when trying dismiss an attack to a messenger and not to a message... Wait that doesn't make any sence? Yeah that pretty much sums up your argumentation: formulating intricate sentences with words you've been hearing left and right when you have yourself no clue about the ins and outs of it, in most cases will give you such a terrible result rather than making you look like a genius By the way why are you using such categories like "attack" or "evil empire"? Too many movies and comics worked on yourself if you can't have an argument without falling into clichés and dichotomies between "good" and "evil". No wonder you're showing such a binary and stereotyped behavior on forums. You do realize you still havnt actually given a reason why your conspiracy theory makes sense. The fact that some players on EG critisized Stephano for quitting the finals of a tournament isnt so much shocking as it is obvious. I would have been more surprised if they had said that not playing in the finals of a tournament that is literally delaying itself to accompany you is a good thing.
I'm going to make it more obvious for yourself: where were Demuslim and Incontrol (and TL redaction making a community news about it - still surprised this website is considered by the majority as a community website, when we see such a double standart in its policy, not talking about tyler's forfeiting in ONOG or ragequitting in NASL, and other bias in prediction posts when TL players happen to play in a tournament) when Idra forfeited matches supposed to be broadcasted live in IPL 3 (he even justified it by being tired - the irony) or Ben throwing games in a Naniwa fashion to Idra (bit by bit!!) in ESWC NA qualifiers (didn't matter to him since he couldn't attend - but, you know, what about the fans that wanted that match and that make what is esport??)? Where were the news on ESFI with insightful but confidential guests? Nowhere to be found.
There's no conspiracy theory, I'm not talking about obscure probabilities motivated by acquiescence of interests, I'm just stating the obvious.
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No, ONOG did not do the right thing.
FFS, take a big breath and a big step back. If this drama occurs, it s because someone, somewhere, screwed up things.
Stephano being exhausted can happen, as well as a professional sportsman can be injured, sick, and decide to stop. Man is a man.
The fact is that there was probably no rule about it etc... He should not have been moved to #4, but be out of the tourney, and they should have put the 3rd pos match as the second semi and proceed to a match with Kas, like they did.
This is "normal" life of any given tournament. Shit happens.
All the communication (ONOG, TL, EG, and viewers) dramatizing the situation is a childish lack of respect about Stephano and I am very surprised that this lack of respect happens here.
I am not specially a Stephano fan, I don't really enjoy his gameplay etc... but respect the PLAYER. If he feels he can't take more, then he stop. That's all. Thats call defwin for the opponent.
When a tennis player have the shits before a match in Roland Garros, he does not play. That's the same deal. Forfeit.
Doh.
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Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic.
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This thread took a turn for the worse, and somehow turned into an EG conspiracy topic. What in the world...
Also, I guess progamers now have to use voice changers and can't use cams on talk shows, or else some inane, nonsensical imaginative story about how their team is trying to generate publicity will come out of the woodworks.
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On February 01 2012 18:41 Swede wrote:
Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic.
5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave that way you can win some sleep haha.
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Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic.
Grrr...You are such a bad human.
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5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave.
At least somebody has got a brain. TLs average intelligence and social understanding has really gone worse these days.
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On February 01 2012 18:43 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:41 Swede wrote:
Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic. 5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave.
5 hours is the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard. Name one series that has gone 5 hours... ever. A typical game is 15 - 20 minutes. There shouldn't be more than 5 minutes between games either.
Besides, it's not hard to stay up for an extra 5 hours anyway. Have a fucking coffee. Eventually you go into a state of overtiredness where you don't feel so bad. And for a $3000 (or however much it was) tournament that a decent number of people are watching, it's even easier (if you have any sense of respect for the fans or money, which obviously Stephano doesn't).
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On February 01 2012 18:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
This thread took a turn for the worse, and somehow turned into an EG conspiracy topic. What in the world...
Also, I guess progamers now have to use voice changers and can't use cams on talk shows, or else some inane, nonsensical imaginative story about how their team is trying to generate publicity will come out of the woodworks.
People arbitrarily dislike EG.
It's just a thing that happens in this community, they just grasp at straws.
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On February 01 2012 18:37 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:06 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 17:45 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 17:20 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 16:32 Hydroxyl wrote:
LOL at EG's Stephano slander campaign on ITG, where Demuslim took it out on Stephano for not playing all the matches he was involved with when signing with the ONOG tournament, and disapointing the audience, when himself forfeited in the middle of a tournament and threw matches to the face of fans (ESWC NA qualifier). Way to be a hypocrite, Ben.
(not talking about the fact he decided to throw his games only when he faced his team mate Idra, to secure him a step further in the qualifier rather than letting the players he eliminated earlier in the bracket to have a chance to face Idra and get the chance, that Ben and EG's trick robbed, to qualify)
Also Incontrol talking about endurance when he has never been in a situation where he had to play more than a bo3 in any tournament bracket he participated, due to being out everytime on the first round (despite MLG giving him all the second chances in the world where nobody else would, and for a good reason).
Why is Incontrol even talking about something he clearly has no clue about? Easy to talk about exhaustion in tournament when your experience of it resumes to settle your keyboard and putting in back in your bag a couple of minutes later.
"I would love that have his problems" - Looks like Jealousy has spoken through Incontrol's mouth, but making it loud enough to be heard isn't a wise choice if you want to look a legitimate arguer.
Fact is EG is trying to get Idra back on the spotlight and continues to bash people's mind with the illusion of him being the n°1 foreigner zerg, but that's not how to do it: he has to prove it himself, but sadly for EG he can't win a game to save his credibility.
That's what EG doesn't get, when taking everyone for dumbass sheeps, champions are made on the battlefield and recognised by the viewers, not built by the marketing squad and sold by force to people in contradiction with the actual results.
And ranting about it on a show will not change anything about it. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message.. if you are really that butthurt you should at least make an argument that in some way might justify why Stephano acted like a douche rather than trying to portray EG as this evil empire which is pretty much only in your head. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message when trying dismiss an attack to a messenger and not to a message... Wait that doesn't make any sence? Yeah that pretty much sums up your argumentation: formulating intricate sentences with words you've been hearing left and right when you have yourself no clue about the ins and outs of it, in most cases will give you such a terrible result rather than making you look like a genius By the way why are you using such categories like "attack" or "evil empire"? Too many movies and comics worked on yourself if you can't have an argument without falling into clichés and dichotomies between "good" and "evil". No wonder you're showing such a binary and stereotyped behavior on forums. You do realize you still havnt actually given a reason why your conspiracy theory makes sense. The fact that some players on EG critisized Stephano for quitting the finals of a tournament isnt so much shocking as it is obvious. I would have been more surprised if they had said that not playing in the finals of a tournament that is literally delaying itself to accompany you is a good thing. I'm going to make it more obvious for yourself: where were Demuslim and Incontrol (and TL redaction making a community news about it - still surprised this website is considered by the majority as a community website, when we see such a double standart in its policy, not talking about tyler's forfeiting in ONOG or ragequitting in NASL, and other bias in prediction posts when TL players happen to play in a tournament) when Idra forfeited matches supposed to be broadcasted live in IPL 3 (he even justified it by being tired - the irony) or Ben throwing games in a Naniwa fashion to Idra (bit by bit!!) in ESWC NA qualifiers (didn't matter to him since he couldn't attend - but, you know, what about the fans that wanted that match and that make what is esport??)? Where were the news on ESFI with insightful but confidential guests? Nowhere to be found. There's no conspiracy theory, I'm not talking about obscure probabilities motivated by acquiescence of interests, I'm just stating the obvious.
Are you asking why members of EG didn't criticize their teammates? No team is going to push forward negative press about their own team, not only EG.
You're citing all of these other instances to what end? What are you actually saying? You're so ****ing verbose no one knows what you're even trying to communicate...
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On February 01 2012 18:49 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:43 Zairair wrote:On February 01 2012 18:41 Swede wrote:
Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic. 5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave. 5 hours is the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard. Name one series that has gone 5 hours... ever. A typical game is 15 - 20 minutes. There shouldn't be more than 5 minutes between games either. Besides, it's not hard to stay up for an extra 5 hours anyway. Have a fucking coffee. Eventually you go into a state of overtiredness where you don't feel so bad. And for a $3000 (or however much it was) tournament that a decent number of people are watching, it's even easier (if you have any sense of respect for the fans or money, which obviously Stephano doesn't).
Damn lets give this guy a PhD in cognitive science! He's got his thesis right here folks! He throws his poop all over previous science! His "state of overtiredness theory" will revolutionize everything. But not sure if you know what a potential is... could be troubling.
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But it is crazy to make the news over a still, when a tennis player feel unable to play, he withdraws and everyone said 'arg is really a shame' and that's it you stir the winds write a 78 page commenetaire, most of lacking constructive direction, and then I even talking about the post descriminatoire National Stephano who are totally unfounded and racist.
So I took great you, you kill the professionalism of the esport you act like a kid.
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On February 01 2012 18:53 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:49 Swede wrote:On February 01 2012 18:43 Zairair wrote:On February 01 2012 18:41 Swede wrote:
Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic. 5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave. 5 hours is the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard. Name one series that has gone 5 hours... ever. A typical game is 15 - 20 minutes. There shouldn't be more than 5 minutes between games either. Besides, it's not hard to stay up for an extra 5 hours anyway. Have a fucking coffee. Eventually you go into a state of overtiredness where you don't feel so bad. And for a $3000 (or however much it was) tournament that a decent number of people are watching, it's even easier (if you have any sense of respect for the fans or money, which obviously Stephano doesn't). Damn lets give this guy a PhD in cognitive science! He's got his thesis right here folks! But not sure if you know what a potential is... could be troubling.
Save the sarcasm. This is a community of people whose lifestyle often involves all nighters playing games at home or at LANs. I'm surprised that, of all people, this community would use missing some sleep as a defense. I'm not going to argue anymore, but if you think staying up for 5 hours is too hard then you really need to get out more.
His "state of overtiredness theory"
So you've never had that? You're tired but you stay up too long and miss your window? Anyone I've ever mentioned the word 'overtired' to has instantly understood what I've meant.
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On February 01 2012 18:35 tekos44 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:16 pluu wrote:
Disappointment okay. But totally outland Stephano by making a huge deal out of it with a Newspost on TeamLiquid AFTER the first thread is really over the top.. I don't know if TL has any link with ONOG organisation but this thread is weird Since when can you call a player an asshole, a douche, a stupid little kid, a whinning baby and so on here ? TL must be happy with it since no moderation has been done at all in this thread
I can't help thinking the main reason this is even discussed is because it's Stephano and he's a controversial player.
Polt got no thread when he forfeited the Zotac finals.
HayprO got no thread when he forfeited the semi-final in the IEM NY qualifier.(Here we can really talk about being unprofessional)
Demuslim got no thread when he threw his games at ESWC qualifier.
It seems like people are being held to different standards in the SC2 scene. It's understandable but worth pointing out.
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On February 01 2012 18:56 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:53 Zairair wrote:On February 01 2012 18:49 Swede wrote:On February 01 2012 18:43 Zairair wrote:On February 01 2012 18:41 Swede wrote:
Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic. 5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave. 5 hours is the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard. Name one series that has gone 5 hours... ever. A typical game is 15 - 20 minutes. There shouldn't be more than 5 minutes between games either. Besides, it's not hard to stay up for an extra 5 hours anyway. Have a fucking coffee. Eventually you go into a state of overtiredness where you don't feel so bad. And for a $3000 (or however much it was) tournament that a decent number of people are watching, it's even easier (if you have any sense of respect for the fans or money, which obviously Stephano doesn't). Damn lets give this guy a PhD in cognitive science! He's got his thesis right here folks! But not sure if you know what a potential is... could be troubling. Save the sarcasm. This is a community of people whose lifestyle often involves all nighters playing games at home or at LANs. I'm surprised that, of all people, this community would use missing some sleep as a defense. I'm not going to argue anymore, but if you think staying up for 5 hours is too hard then you really need to get out more. So you've never had that? You're tired but you stay up too long and miss your window? Anyone I've ever mentioned the word 'overtired' to has instantly understood what I've meant.
lol if you're staying up all night playing starcraft... you're not even good, so I wouldn't even be talking if I were you. Pros don't even do that. I'm pretty sure everyone who you mentioned the word overtired to has never had an education past high school.
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On February 01 2012 18:56 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:53 Zairair wrote:On February 01 2012 18:49 Swede wrote:On February 01 2012 18:43 Zairair wrote:On February 01 2012 18:41 Swede wrote:
Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic. 5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave. 5 hours is the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard. Name one series that has gone 5 hours... ever. A typical game is 15 - 20 minutes. There shouldn't be more than 5 minutes between games either. Besides, it's not hard to stay up for an extra 5 hours anyway. Have a fucking coffee. Eventually you go into a state of overtiredness where you don't feel so bad. And for a $3000 (or however much it was) tournament that a decent number of people are watching, it's even easier (if you have any sense of respect for the fans or money, which obviously Stephano doesn't). Damn lets give this guy a PhD in cognitive science! He's got his thesis right here folks! But not sure if you know what a potential is... could be troubling. Save the sarcasm. This is a community of people whose lifestyle often involves all nighters playing games at home or at LANs. I'm surprised that, of all people, this community would use missing some sleep as a defense. I'm not going to argue anymore, but if you think staying up for 5 hours is too hard then you really need to get out more.
And then you learn that Stephano has a healthy lifestyle, waking up at 8 and going to bed somewhere around midnight. Maybe that makes him a better player. In every sport coaches would recommend not having a messy sleep schedule in order to be competitive or to have good training. Maybe that applies to sc2 as well.
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On February 01 2012 18:52 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 18:06 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 17:45 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 17:20 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 16:32 Hydroxyl wrote:
LOL at EG's Stephano slander campaign on ITG, where Demuslim took it out on Stephano for not playing all the matches he was involved with when signing with the ONOG tournament, and disapointing the audience, when himself forfeited in the middle of a tournament and threw matches to the face of fans (ESWC NA qualifier). Way to be a hypocrite, Ben.
(not talking about the fact he decided to throw his games only when he faced his team mate Idra, to secure him a step further in the qualifier rather than letting the players he eliminated earlier in the bracket to have a chance to face Idra and get the chance, that Ben and EG's trick robbed, to qualify)
Also Incontrol talking about endurance when he has never been in a situation where he had to play more than a bo3 in any tournament bracket he participated, due to being out everytime on the first round (despite MLG giving him all the second chances in the world where nobody else would, and for a good reason).
Why is Incontrol even talking about something he clearly has no clue about? Easy to talk about exhaustion in tournament when your experience of it resumes to settle your keyboard and putting in back in your bag a couple of minutes later.
"I would love that have his problems" - Looks like Jealousy has spoken through Incontrol's mouth, but making it loud enough to be heard isn't a wise choice if you want to look a legitimate arguer.
Fact is EG is trying to get Idra back on the spotlight and continues to bash people's mind with the illusion of him being the n°1 foreigner zerg, but that's not how to do it: he has to prove it himself, but sadly for EG he can't win a game to save his credibility.
That's what EG doesn't get, when taking everyone for dumbass sheeps, champions are made on the battlefield and recognised by the viewers, not built by the marketing squad and sold by force to people in contradiction with the actual results.
And ranting about it on a show will not change anything about it. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message.. if you are really that butthurt you should at least make an argument that in some way might justify why Stephano acted like a douche rather than trying to portray EG as this evil empire which is pretty much only in your head. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message when trying dismiss an attack to a messenger and not to a message... Wait that doesn't make any sence? Yeah that pretty much sums up your argumentation: formulating intricate sentences with words you've been hearing left and right when you have yourself no clue about the ins and outs of it, in most cases will give you such a terrible result rather than making you look like a genius By the way why are you using such categories like "attack" or "evil empire"? Too many movies and comics worked on yourself if you can't have an argument without falling into clichés and dichotomies between "good" and "evil". No wonder you're showing such a binary and stereotyped behavior on forums. You do realize you still havnt actually given a reason why your conspiracy theory makes sense. The fact that some players on EG critisized Stephano for quitting the finals of a tournament isnt so much shocking as it is obvious. I would have been more surprised if they had said that not playing in the finals of a tournament that is literally delaying itself to accompany you is a good thing. I'm going to make it more obvious for yourself: where were Demuslim and Incontrol (and TL redaction making a community news about it - still surprised this website is considered by the majority as a community website, when we see such a double standart in its policy, not talking about tyler's forfeiting in ONOG or ragequitting in NASL, and other bias in prediction posts when TL players happen to play in a tournament) when Idra forfeited matches supposed to be broadcasted live in IPL 3 (he even justified it by being tired - the irony) or Ben throwing games in a Naniwa fashion to Idra (bit by bit!!) in ESWC NA qualifiers (didn't matter to him since he couldn't attend - but, you know, what about the fans that wanted that match and that make what is esport??)? Where were the news on ESFI with insightful but confidential guests? Nowhere to be found. There's no conspiracy theory, I'm not talking about obscure probabilities motivated by acquiescence of interests, I'm just stating the obvious. Are you asking why members of EG didn't criticize their teammates? No team is going to push forward negative press about their own team, not only EG. You're citing all of these other instances to what end? What are you actually saying? You're so ****ing verbose no one knows what you're even trying to communicate...
Unce upon a time there was an edit function. You should start to speak for yourself not for everyone. He is talking about double standarts, bias and TL moderation that seems questionable sometimes, can you read?
78 pages of this pathetic bullshit, i guess you people got no serious problems in life, a good thing tho.
In the medieval times, when you had a witch trial, you would tie the hands and feet and throw her in a lake. If the devil had stolen her soul she should have been lighter than a normal human and float on the surface, therefore was guilty and had to be burned. If she sunk, she wasnt obsessed but still dead. What irony....
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On February 01 2012 19:08 YipMan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:52 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 01 2012 18:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 18:06 Adreme wrote:On February 01 2012 17:45 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 01 2012 17:20 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 16:32 Hydroxyl wrote:
LOL at EG's Stephano slander campaign on ITG, where Demuslim took it out on Stephano for not playing all the matches he was involved with when signing with the ONOG tournament, and disapointing the audience, when himself forfeited in the middle of a tournament and threw matches to the face of fans (ESWC NA qualifier). Way to be a hypocrite, Ben.
(not talking about the fact he decided to throw his games only when he faced his team mate Idra, to secure him a step further in the qualifier rather than letting the players he eliminated earlier in the bracket to have a chance to face Idra and get the chance, that Ben and EG's trick robbed, to qualify)
Also Incontrol talking about endurance when he has never been in a situation where he had to play more than a bo3 in any tournament bracket he participated, due to being out everytime on the first round (despite MLG giving him all the second chances in the world where nobody else would, and for a good reason).
Why is Incontrol even talking about something he clearly has no clue about? Easy to talk about exhaustion in tournament when your experience of it resumes to settle your keyboard and putting in back in your bag a couple of minutes later.
"I would love that have his problems" - Looks like Jealousy has spoken through Incontrol's mouth, but making it loud enough to be heard isn't a wise choice if you want to look a legitimate arguer.
Fact is EG is trying to get Idra back on the spotlight and continues to bash people's mind with the illusion of him being the n°1 foreigner zerg, but that's not how to do it: he has to prove it himself, but sadly for EG he can't win a game to save his credibility.
That's what EG doesn't get, when taking everyone for dumbass sheeps, champions are made on the battlefield and recognised by the viewers, not built by the marketing squad and sold by force to people in contradiction with the actual results.
And ranting about it on a show will not change anything about it. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message.. if you are really that butthurt you should at least make an argument that in some way might justify why Stephano acted like a douche rather than trying to portray EG as this evil empire which is pretty much only in your head. Typical attack to the messenger and not the message when trying dismiss an attack to a messenger and not to a message... Wait that doesn't make any sence? Yeah that pretty much sums up your argumentation: formulating intricate sentences with words you've been hearing left and right when you have yourself no clue about the ins and outs of it, in most cases will give you such a terrible result rather than making you look like a genius By the way why are you using such categories like "attack" or "evil empire"? Too many movies and comics worked on yourself if you can't have an argument without falling into clichés and dichotomies between "good" and "evil". No wonder you're showing such a binary and stereotyped behavior on forums. You do realize you still havnt actually given a reason why your conspiracy theory makes sense. The fact that some players on EG critisized Stephano for quitting the finals of a tournament isnt so much shocking as it is obvious. I would have been more surprised if they had said that not playing in the finals of a tournament that is literally delaying itself to accompany you is a good thing. I'm going to make it more obvious for yourself: where were Demuslim and Incontrol (and TL redaction making a community news about it - still surprised this website is considered by the majority as a community website, when we see such a double standart in its policy, not talking about tyler's forfeiting in ONOG or ragequitting in NASL, and other bias in prediction posts when TL players happen to play in a tournament) when Idra forfeited matches supposed to be broadcasted live in IPL 3 (he even justified it by being tired - the irony) or Ben throwing games in a Naniwa fashion to Idra (bit by bit!!) in ESWC NA qualifiers (didn't matter to him since he couldn't attend - but, you know, what about the fans that wanted that match and that make what is esport??)? Where were the news on ESFI with insightful but confidential guests? Nowhere to be found. There's no conspiracy theory, I'm not talking about obscure probabilities motivated by acquiescence of interests, I'm just stating the obvious. Are you asking why members of EG didn't criticize their teammates? No team is going to push forward negative press about their own team, not only EG. You're citing all of these other instances to what end? What are you actually saying? You're so ****ing verbose no one knows what you're even trying to communicate... Unce upon a time there was an edit function. You should start to speak for yourself not for everyone. He is talking about double standarts, bias and TL moderation that seems questionable sometimes, can you read? 78 pages of this pathetic bullshit, i guess you people got no serious problems in life, a good thing tho. In the medieval times, when you had a witch trial, you would tie the hands and feet and throw her in a lake. If the devil had stolen her soul she should have been lighter than a normal human and float on the surface, therefore was guilty and had to be burned. If she sunk, she wasnt obsessed but still dead. What irony....
But his response doesn't address what the person was talking about at all.
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On February 01 2012 19:06 tekos44 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 18:56 Swede wrote:On February 01 2012 18:53 Zairair wrote:On February 01 2012 18:49 Swede wrote:On February 01 2012 18:43 Zairair wrote:On February 01 2012 18:41 Swede wrote:
Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic. 5 games has a potential to span over 5 hours counting the in between time and what not. Unless he rush everytime... but then he'll get castrated for that too. Either way he's going to get shit, for either playing sucky or leaving. Might as well leave. 5 hours is the biggest exaggeration I've ever heard. Name one series that has gone 5 hours... ever. A typical game is 15 - 20 minutes. There shouldn't be more than 5 minutes between games either. Besides, it's not hard to stay up for an extra 5 hours anyway. Have a fucking coffee. Eventually you go into a state of overtiredness where you don't feel so bad. And for a $3000 (or however much it was) tournament that a decent number of people are watching, it's even easier (if you have any sense of respect for the fans or money, which obviously Stephano doesn't). Damn lets give this guy a PhD in cognitive science! He's got his thesis right here folks! But not sure if you know what a potential is... could be troubling. Save the sarcasm. This is a community of people whose lifestyle often involves all nighters playing games at home or at LANs. I'm surprised that, of all people, this community would use missing some sleep as a defense. I'm not going to argue anymore, but if you think staying up for 5 hours is too hard then you really need to get out more. And then you learn that Stephano has a healthy lifestyle, waking up at 8 and going to bed somewhere around midnight. Maybe that makes him a better player. In every sport coaches would recommend not having a messy sleep schedule in order to be competitive or to have good training. Maybe that applies to sc2 as well.
I'm not suggesting he do it every night. I'm suggesting he could have done it this one time for this one tournament, then learned from his mistake and never schedule in such a way that he could end up in that position again.
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Sigh. How hard is it to stay up for an extra hour and a half? Some of these 'pro-gamers' are fucking children. I have trouble believing that's even the real reason he forfeit. It's too pathetic.
You're what's wrong with this world. Even if he had played he would've been too exhausted to play well. He said: Either we'll take the games at another time or else I'll forfeit.
It's not like he claimed the right to not play. He just wasn't able to play at any decent level.
I think ONOG overdid it :'/
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