Stephano forfeits ONOG Finals - Page 58

After the most recent upsets (Nani probe rush, Coca forfeits to help his teammate advance) Stephano should have been aware that such a little forfeit can turn out to be a huge upset in the community.

On January 31 2012 22:12 Morrisson wrote:


Stephano bailed out of a final of a tournament that would have already been forgoten if its wasnt for the fact that HE was invited. Take Stephano out of this tournament, and 12k ppl would NOT have watched Catz battle Tyler.... or Illusion, that Steaphano rolled without trying. It would have been another small line in the liquipedia of the player that you see only when you go to his page.
He mismanaged his schedule, acted poorly, losthis second place and prize money, but stop shitting on the kid, everybody makes mistakes and this is not a important one :/

On January 31 2012 22:16 BoYoB wrote:


I think Stephano simply doesn't care to be compared to Naniwa, Coca or even Idra or Hitler. He doesn't care about the "community"/the haters childish upsets and that's what makes him an interesting person, a great champion and a funny troll.

On January 31 2012 21:56 mTw|NarutO wrote:


They could have played a showmatch and it would have been the right choice. You cannot just take away his second place and put him in 4th place. How is Illusion #2. He lost to Stephano in the semis, but I don't want to blame ONOG. They had to make a decision on the fly and fast, so.. they will learn from it and probably cast from replays next time.

On January 31 2012 22:21 ZeromuS wrote:


Of course EU tournaments are better timed for NA invites than NA for EU invites. If the games start in the afternoon in EU its early morning in NA. Its not like the tournies go out of their way to make sure the times are better for NA players though. The players look at the situation and accept that they are playing at potentially disadvantageous times. Kas though played through and won and his timezone is one hour ahead of stephano's and they both played the SCAN tournament as well.

On January 31 2012 22:11 Jibba wrote:

Since when do "athletes" have an absolute right to do that? In what sport do teams take forfeits because they're too sleepy? You'd be ridiculed off your team for something like that. The comparison to a diva like TO isn't fair because TO played a game 6 weeks after breaking his leg, because he wanted to compete.

He doesn't technically owe anyone but the tournament organizer and Millenium, but it shows that he's a bounty hunter. Honestly, what makes you think players have this inalienable right to play only when they feel at their best condition? That's simply not reality in any other job on the planet, and especially one where an event and broadcast is planned around it. Players live in their own little bubble at the moment, but this really doesn't need to happen and tournament organizers can prevent it from happening again, without very much loss.

It was not perfectly fine nor acceptable in any sport.

On January 31 2012 22:21 zedi wrote:


Interesting? Funny troll? More like a shmuck. He has no class like IdrA, sorry.

On January 31 2012 22:34 Madder wrote:

IdrA has class?

On January 31 2012 22:17 Phobbers wrote:

Everybody makes mistakes yes, but it seems Stephano doesn't learn from them. Poor decision making and not thinking things through with his scheduling screwed him over. Guess what? Poor decision making and not thinking things through caused a huge fiasco when he was supposed to join coL.

Players think they have many rights but almost no responsibilities. It's not his right to play in a tournament it's his privilege.

My opinion: Stephano not playing finals was wrong. However, it's more wrong to steal his 2nd place and place him 4th

On January 31 2012 22:28 Tobberoth wrote:

Illusion is obviously 2nd because he played in the finals. Stephano didn't, so I don't know where you're getting your idea that he's 2nd?

See, there's two pespectives to this, one isn't more right than the other, so it was ONOGs decision.

On January 31 2012 21:56 mTw|NarutO wrote:


They could have played a showmatch and it would have been the right choice. You cannot just take away his second place and put him in 4th place. How is Illusion #2. He lost to Stephano in the semis, but I don't want to blame ONOG. They had to make a decision on the fly and fast, so.. they will learn from it and probably cast from replays next time.

On January 30 2012 16:47 mTw|NarutO wrote:


His own fault then. Still we got robbed a good final;;

On January 31 2012 22:30 Shikyo wrote:
My opinion: Stephano not playing finals was wrong. However, it's more wrong to steal his 2nd place and place him 4th. That basically means that tournaments have the right to do whatever they want. Where do the tournament organizers' power end? I really think that if you can just take a person's 2nd place like that, the organizers might as well alter all the placements, right? The tournament organizer shouldn't have the right to decide how the players place, it should be the result of playing it out.

So I think both people were at wrong here and I'm not sure who made worse decision, but I still don't understand how it's possible for tournament organizers to move player placements arbitratily... I thought that was probhibited by the Blizzard tournament license, but guess not? And this is coming from a person who dislikes stephano by the way

On January 31 2012 22:28 Tobberoth wrote:

Illusion is obviously 2nd because he played in the finals. Stephano didn't, so I don't know where you're getting your idea that he's 2nd?

See, there's two pespectives to this, one isn't more right than the other, so it was ONOGs decision.

On January 31 2012 22:39 mTw|NarutO wrote:


There are no two perspectives on it. Stephano is technically 2nd because he reached the finals and did give a default win to Kas. Illusion LOST to Stephano in a single elimination tournament so the best he could reach at that point is 3rd place. If you or any other person in the world don't want to understand it or simply ignore it, please do but don't tell me that Illusion actually deserved or got 2nd place, because its not true.

ONOG decided to change the tournament format after Stephano did forfeit and only PUNISHED Stephano for that in the heat of the battle if you ask me.

To the person who asked me if I wanted to happen stuff like this again and if I think Stephano should be punished. No I don't want this to happen again thats why I said you need contracts between players and tournament hosts and a punishment would be to just do not invite him again, but as I already said as well, I do think the tournament would hurt themselves as Stephano is a good player and pulls lots of viewers.

As Arew said in another thread, ONOG is simply stealing money from Stephano at this point. Either disqualify him and make it clear OR give him his deserved 2nd place IMO.

To Jibba: In ANY sports an athlete an forfeit at any point if he thinks he's incapable of completing the task or cannot finish the match. If a national soccer team cannot continue due to exhaustion they will forfeit the match. Obviously they will try but its a far bigger stage and usually its not 1v1 but teamgames.

In boxing / fighting if you don't feel in good condition you forfeit or postpone. Stephano offered to postpone / reschedule and that wasn't possible so he did forfeit. How often have you seen boxing matches been rescheduled, just because one of the fighters wasn't fit at that point. It happened before.

Technical k.O? Same story. The boxer wants to fight, but he cannot so he 'has' to or will be forced to forfeit. Stephano probably wanted to play, but he was tired so he couldn't really play.