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On January 31 2012 17:27 BoggieMan wrote:
Noone would ever post in a thread in a forum about me being an idiot if i did not meet in school for 1 day, in fact if people did it would be even more stupid since they did not know why i wasen't in school.
Nice, showing stupidity in bold might be the next cool thing.
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Well there comes a point where you can't really expect a player to stay up, especially if you have one of the best players in the world and you ask him to sit up past 2:30 am for a minor event. I also believe that ONOG knew Stephano was playing Scan inv before the event so that delay was not his fault, and even removing those 45min the match for third place would have started at 1:45am?
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On January 31 2012 17:32 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 17:26 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 17:21 zefreak wrote:
He still played his game to the best of his ability even though he chose zerg, a race that he was horrible at. None of this "I won't be able to show great games I had better just quit" BS Just because you idolize him doesn't mean you have to twist his words to what you want him to say. Throwing in the towel is throwing in the towel. Both parties acted right. Stephano believed he could've beaten both tournaments, else he would not have accepted the invite. Things just didn't pan out. I have a feeling that you are honestly confused as to the point of that Boxer quote. I am assuming that you are not a native english speaker due to the quality of your posts. Boxer was tired like Stephano, he pushed himself to the edge by staying up for a very long time playing a lot of starcraft, again like Stephano. Unlike Stephano, Boxer played all 3 games, and still tried even though he played a zvz as his last match. The part you bolded does not imply that he gg'd prematurely or threw the game, all it says is that eventually there was nothing he could do as he is an amateur in the MU and lost the game.
I never said the parts he bolded implied he prematurely gg'd or threw the game. Where did I say that? The fact that you said this makes me doubt if you read any of my posts... I said when you throw in the towel, you lose that is all I said. (It's a boxing reference if you didn't understand that, similar to a "gg"). It is in fact YOU who are the one that is fluffing the cake.
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On January 31 2012 17:33 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 17:27 BoggieMan wrote:
Noone would ever post in a thread in a forum about me being an idiot if i did not meet in school for 1 day, in fact if people did it would be even more stupid since they did not know why i wasen't in school. Nice, showing stupidity in bold might be the next cool thing.
it is pretty damn cool i know right ? =D
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Boxer has nothing to do with this...
I know community wants blood, but sadly they won't get any. Community needs to grow up, or we will end up with daily threads with lists of people who forfeited recents tournaments, so people can "boo" at them.
This matter is not about players personalities, they likes or dislikes, they willigness or unwilligness, Stephano is not at fault as he didnt break any rule. You cannot judge/punish people based on your moral standings. You need to have pre-stated rules that regulate such things. If there was none, then its organizers fault, not player. Player already punished himself when he resigned from finals.
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On January 31 2012 05:45 k1mjee wrote:
Stephano's turning into the next Naniwa.
NaNiwa eventually apologizes.
Stephano says it is not a big deal.
We don't have KeSPA (WeSPA?) so it's a matter of solidarity between tournaments. If -as an effect - Stephano would not be invited to next couple of tournaments I'm sure he won't behave like that anymore.
It sounds like he treated this tournament like glorified practice session.
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Well if it's too late to play then it is too late to play. And besides it was only for 3k, so it isn't that big of a deal. I am sure if it was for 15k he would have stayed up 
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On January 31 2012 17:30 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 16:53 Inori wrote:On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 16:23 zefreak wrote:On January 31 2012 16:16 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 15:52 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On January 31 2012 14:45 Plexa wrote:
Damned if you do
Damned if you don't
Sigh. How so? No on put a gun to Stephano's head and forced him to participate in two tournaments in one day. It is Stephano's fault alone that he did not better manage his time so that he could have forseen playing as late as he did. Once you enter into a tournament you are obligated to your own sponsors and the sponsors of the tournament to play out your games. It is as simple as that. Stephano could have just drone rushed and let them cast the finals from replays. Would that have gone down better? Stephano didn't feel like his condition was up to playing to his full potential and decided to forfeit (or get the match delayed). Obviously he was okay with either outcome. He doesn't have to play to his full potential, he just needs to play his best as he is able at the time. Like with any sport, all people care about is if you try your best. DRG was throwing up before playing Leenock at MLG Providence and he played to the best of his ability even though nobody in their right mind would think he was playing to his full potential. I don't know where this idea that 'he wont be able to play to his full potential so he shouldn't try' came from but its certainly not acceptable in any other form of competition.. If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) Are you ignoring the fact that he wouldn't even be in this situation in the first place if practiced common sense on purpose? You're right. Stephano shouldn't have bitten off more than he could chew. He forfeited his 2nd (and chance for 1st) place. I think that's propper "punishment". What more needs to be discussed?
How can the ACTION that offends people be the propper punishment!?
If I punch you in the head, I have to live with the fact that I hurt someone who did not deserve it, so I should not get any other punishment, right?
I think it is very disrespectful towards The Organizers of this tournament who definitely put a ton of time and effort into it, disrespectful towards Kas and also towards everyone who was hoping to see a crazy cool final.
Seriously If you get hyped to see Stephano vs Kas, that can hardly be topped.
Also Stephano does not regret it, he does not even see anything wrong with it. That just pisses me off. It does not surprise me, however. Someone who writes "gratz" in every single he loses EVER, obviously has some respect issues.
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Good for Stephano, "community" is bunch of spoiled kids that love drama anyway.
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On January 31 2012 18:02 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 17:30 y0su wrote:On January 31 2012 16:53 Inori wrote:On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 16:23 zefreak wrote:On January 31 2012 16:16 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 15:52 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On January 31 2012 14:45 Plexa wrote:
Damned if you do
Damned if you don't
Sigh. How so? No on put a gun to Stephano's head and forced him to participate in two tournaments in one day. It is Stephano's fault alone that he did not better manage his time so that he could have forseen playing as late as he did. Once you enter into a tournament you are obligated to your own sponsors and the sponsors of the tournament to play out your games. It is as simple as that. Stephano could have just drone rushed and let them cast the finals from replays. Would that have gone down better? Stephano didn't feel like his condition was up to playing to his full potential and decided to forfeit (or get the match delayed). Obviously he was okay with either outcome. He doesn't have to play to his full potential, he just needs to play his best as he is able at the time. Like with any sport, all people care about is if you try your best. DRG was throwing up before playing Leenock at MLG Providence and he played to the best of his ability even though nobody in their right mind would think he was playing to his full potential. I don't know where this idea that 'he wont be able to play to his full potential so he shouldn't try' came from but its certainly not acceptable in any other form of competition.. If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) Are you ignoring the fact that he wouldn't even be in this situation in the first place if practiced common sense on purpose? You're right. Stephano shouldn't have bitten off more than he could chew. He forfeited his 2nd (and chance for 1st) place. I think that's propper "punishment". What more needs to be discussed? How can the ACTION that offends people be the propper punishment!? If I punch you in the head, I have to live with the fact that I hurt someone who did not deserve it, so I should not get any other punishment, right?
It's more like he chose NOT to punch someone. Inaction rather than action. You didn't punch me in the head... but you have to live with the fact that you could have at one point.
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Im just glad it wasn't Naniwa who did this, because of the insane shitstorm that would suffer. Other than that, i don't really care. It was really late and unless he signed a contract that said that he has to finish no matter what, he forfeited his game. What was the result? He got dropped from an assured 2nd place to 4th, earning a lot less money, but he could definately win the finals aswell. I would not have done what Stephano did, but i just think this community think that everyone has to go on a crusade when something minor happens. I don't like what he did, and i wasn't a huge fan of him before (still like him and like his playstyle), nothing changed. I knew he was young before, know he still is.
I just think people need to relax, we don't have to jump on every chance for drama that there is.
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On January 31 2012 12:11 quaffle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 05:45 ohmkerg wrote:
wow stephano sounds like a douche
User was warned for this post This post was warned? In all honesty, I agree with ohmkerg. Perhaps he was warned because he didn't give a reason why he feels Stephano is a douche, but a negative comment like this is similar to when a user simply posts, "wow stephano is amazing." Thousands of posts are made just like this, none of which I seem to notice getting warned. Freedom to criticize, please. Back on topic: Stephano is completely unprofessional and disrespectful for this action. If I were Deric, I would completely disqualify him from the tournament (given him no position to speak of). And if I were Millenium, I would make sure Stephano understands the seriousness of his actions. For another, Millenium should have someone making sure Stephano does not put himself into a position where he must choose between playing two different tournaments. This is very easily comparable to Naniwa's probe rush incident. However, Stephano actually had something to play for...
Yes it is comparable to Naniwa incident in the sense that community is overreacting to nothing, but that is not news.
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On January 31 2012 17:56 Humposaurus wrote:Well if it's too late to play then it is too late to play. And besides it was only for 3k, so it isn't that big of a deal. I am sure if it was for 15k he would have stayed up
Could you be any more ignorant!?
It was too late because STEPHANO made everyone wait for him. And it was "only for 3k". I could write pages how stupid this statement is.
Just consider that thousend of people waited for Stephano and after he made them wait, he just did not play and does not even apologize for making them waste time on nothing.
If a friend tells you to meet him at the movies in a half hour and you go there, then you get a ticket and wait for him, after 45 minutes he calls you and tells you that he won't be there today, would you say "Okay, have a nice day, see you tomorrow"?
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On January 31 2012 17:36 Krogan wrote:
...and even removing those 45min the match for third place would have started at 1:45am?
Right!
ONOG had to react earlier themselves.
It's not uncommon to play out some games simultaneously and get to the finals in time (or at least not toooo late).
I think u can't call Stephano unprofessionell. If someone didn't do their homework, its ONOG.
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On January 31 2012 18:06 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 18:02 rEalGuapo wrote:On January 31 2012 17:30 y0su wrote:On January 31 2012 16:53 Inori wrote:On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 16:23 zefreak wrote:On January 31 2012 16:16 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 15:52 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On January 31 2012 14:45 Plexa wrote:
Damned if you do
Damned if you don't
Sigh. How so? No on put a gun to Stephano's head and forced him to participate in two tournaments in one day. It is Stephano's fault alone that he did not better manage his time so that he could have forseen playing as late as he did. Once you enter into a tournament you are obligated to your own sponsors and the sponsors of the tournament to play out your games. It is as simple as that. Stephano could have just drone rushed and let them cast the finals from replays. Would that have gone down better? Stephano didn't feel like his condition was up to playing to his full potential and decided to forfeit (or get the match delayed). Obviously he was okay with either outcome. He doesn't have to play to his full potential, he just needs to play his best as he is able at the time. Like with any sport, all people care about is if you try your best. DRG was throwing up before playing Leenock at MLG Providence and he played to the best of his ability even though nobody in their right mind would think he was playing to his full potential. I don't know where this idea that 'he wont be able to play to his full potential so he shouldn't try' came from but its certainly not acceptable in any other form of competition.. If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) Are you ignoring the fact that he wouldn't even be in this situation in the first place if practiced common sense on purpose? You're right. Stephano shouldn't have bitten off more than he could chew. He forfeited his 2nd (and chance for 1st) place. I think that's propper "punishment". What more needs to be discussed? How can the ACTION that offends people be the propper punishment!? If I punch you in the head, I have to live with the fact that I hurt someone who did not deserve it, so I should not get any other punishment, right? It's more like he chose NOT to punch someone. Inaction rather than action. You didn't punch me in the head... but you have to live with the fact that you could have at one point.
He made thousands of people wait and took a really great series of games away from them. He played the tournament untill the finals, then he makes everyone wait for nothing. Is that inaction? Is that nothing!? What if someone stays up 2hours only because he wanted to see Stephano vs Kas? I think you need to review your perspective.
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On January 31 2012 18:14 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 18:06 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 18:02 rEalGuapo wrote:On January 31 2012 17:30 y0su wrote:On January 31 2012 16:53 Inori wrote:On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 16:23 zefreak wrote:On January 31 2012 16:16 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 15:52 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On January 31 2012 14:45 Plexa wrote:
Damned if you do
Damned if you don't
Sigh. How so? No on put a gun to Stephano's head and forced him to participate in two tournaments in one day. It is Stephano's fault alone that he did not better manage his time so that he could have forseen playing as late as he did. Once you enter into a tournament you are obligated to your own sponsors and the sponsors of the tournament to play out your games. It is as simple as that. Stephano could have just drone rushed and let them cast the finals from replays. Would that have gone down better? Stephano didn't feel like his condition was up to playing to his full potential and decided to forfeit (or get the match delayed). Obviously he was okay with either outcome. He doesn't have to play to his full potential, he just needs to play his best as he is able at the time. Like with any sport, all people care about is if you try your best. DRG was throwing up before playing Leenock at MLG Providence and he played to the best of his ability even though nobody in their right mind would think he was playing to his full potential. I don't know where this idea that 'he wont be able to play to his full potential so he shouldn't try' came from but its certainly not acceptable in any other form of competition.. If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) Are you ignoring the fact that he wouldn't even be in this situation in the first place if practiced common sense on purpose? You're right. Stephano shouldn't have bitten off more than he could chew. He forfeited his 2nd (and chance for 1st) place. I think that's propper "punishment". What more needs to be discussed? How can the ACTION that offends people be the propper punishment!? If I punch you in the head, I have to live with the fact that I hurt someone who did not deserve it, so I should not get any other punishment, right? It's more like he chose NOT to punch someone. Inaction rather than action. You didn't punch me in the head... but you have to live with the fact that you could have at one point. He made thousands of people wait and took a really great series of games away from them. He played the tournament untill the finals, then he makes everyone wait for nothing. Is that inaction? Is that nothing!? What if someone stays up 2hours only because he wanted to see Stephano vs Kas? I think you need to review your perspective.
You're going to hate me because I choose not to cure cancer but to play Starcraft instead? Millions of people are waiting right now for the cure for cancer. Eager at their hospital beds... Well, it's no big deal... I'd rather play Starcraft. I apologize, I'm not your messiah.
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imo if u signed up for a tourney, u should be able to participate. u shouldnt sign up for 2 tournys the same day if there is a chance of overlapping. atleast not in the bigger tournys. the least he could have done was to stay and play the game even though it would have been "awfull", imo really disrespectful to try to force them to wait another day after they actully waited for you to finish the other tourny.
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On January 31 2012 18:16 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 18:14 rEalGuapo wrote:On January 31 2012 18:06 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 18:02 rEalGuapo wrote:On January 31 2012 17:30 y0su wrote:On January 31 2012 16:53 Inori wrote:On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 16:23 zefreak wrote:On January 31 2012 16:16 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 15:52 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
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How so? No on put a gun to Stephano's head and forced him to participate in two tournaments in one day. It is Stephano's fault alone that he did not better manage his time so that he could have forseen playing as late as he did. Once you enter into a tournament you are obligated to your own sponsors and the sponsors of the tournament to play out your games. It is as simple as that. Stephano could have just drone rushed and let them cast the finals from replays. Would that have gone down better? Stephano didn't feel like his condition was up to playing to his full potential and decided to forfeit (or get the match delayed). Obviously he was okay with either outcome. He doesn't have to play to his full potential, he just needs to play his best as he is able at the time. Like with any sport, all people care about is if you try your best. DRG was throwing up before playing Leenock at MLG Providence and he played to the best of his ability even though nobody in their right mind would think he was playing to his full potential. I don't know where this idea that 'he wont be able to play to his full potential so he shouldn't try' came from but its certainly not acceptable in any other form of competition.. If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) Are you ignoring the fact that he wouldn't even be in this situation in the first place if practiced common sense on purpose? You're right. Stephano shouldn't have bitten off more than he could chew. He forfeited his 2nd (and chance for 1st) place. I think that's propper "punishment". What more needs to be discussed? How can the ACTION that offends people be the propper punishment!? If I punch you in the head, I have to live with the fact that I hurt someone who did not deserve it, so I should not get any other punishment, right? It's more like he chose NOT to punch someone. Inaction rather than action. You didn't punch me in the head... but you have to live with the fact that you could have at one point. He made thousands of people wait and took a really great series of games away from them. He played the tournament untill the finals, then he makes everyone wait for nothing. Is that inaction? Is that nothing!? What if someone stays up 2hours only because he wanted to see Stephano vs Kas? I think you need to review your perspective. You're going to hate me because I choose not to cure cancer but to play Starcraft instead? Millions of people are waiting right now for the cure for cancer. Eager at their hospital beds... Well, it's no big deal... I'd rather play Starcraft. I apologize, I'm not your messiah.
Wow, some people. Please don't make analogies if you can't actually think.
People are not actually waiting for YOU to cure cancer and no company actually invested in your ass to promote you as a cancer curer. SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF YOUR ANALOGY?
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On January 31 2012 18:23 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 18:16 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 18:14 rEalGuapo wrote:On January 31 2012 18:06 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 18:02 rEalGuapo wrote:On January 31 2012 17:30 y0su wrote:On January 31 2012 16:53 Inori wrote:On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote:On January 31 2012 16:23 zefreak wrote:On January 31 2012 16:16 Plexa wrote:
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Stephano could have just drone rushed and let them cast the finals from replays. Would that have gone down better? Stephano didn't feel like his condition was up to playing to his full potential and decided to forfeit (or get the match delayed). Obviously he was okay with either outcome. He doesn't have to play to his full potential, he just needs to play his best as he is able at the time. Like with any sport, all people care about is if you try your best. DRG was throwing up before playing Leenock at MLG Providence and he played to the best of his ability even though nobody in their right mind would think he was playing to his full potential. I don't know where this idea that 'he wont be able to play to his full potential so he shouldn't try' came from but its certainly not acceptable in any other form of competition.. If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) Are you ignoring the fact that he wouldn't even be in this situation in the first place if practiced common sense on purpose? You're right. Stephano shouldn't have bitten off more than he could chew. He forfeited his 2nd (and chance for 1st) place. I think that's propper "punishment". What more needs to be discussed? How can the ACTION that offends people be the propper punishment!? If I punch you in the head, I have to live with the fact that I hurt someone who did not deserve it, so I should not get any other punishment, right? It's more like he chose NOT to punch someone. Inaction rather than action. You didn't punch me in the head... but you have to live with the fact that you could have at one point. He made thousands of people wait and took a really great series of games away from them. He played the tournament untill the finals, then he makes everyone wait for nothing. Is that inaction? Is that nothing!? What if someone stays up 2hours only because he wanted to see Stephano vs Kas? I think you need to review your perspective. You're going to hate me because I choose not to cure cancer but to play Starcraft instead? Millions of people are waiting right now for the cure for cancer. Eager at their hospital beds... Well, it's no big deal... I'd rather play Starcraft. I apologize, I'm not your messiah. Wow, some people. Please don't make analogies if you can't actually think. People are not actually waiting for YOU to cure cancer and no company actually invested in your ass to promote you as a cancer curer. SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF YOUR ANALOGY?
Cause I actually research p53... But I guess you don't actually wait for people to play their final matches and don't invest any time in it either. So we're in agreement right?
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From the little I have followed of all this, here's what I think. This is not a show, it's a competition. Stephano is not an entertainer, he is a competitor. If he wants to forfeit, and he accepts the price... then who are we to tell him he can't?
The thing I can't understand (and it was the same with Naniwa although I don't like him) is how there can be such a consensus that the players need to do the hypocritical thing to maintain the illusion of competition. What I want is real competition, where the players really want to win because the stakes are high and they care. If they don't...honestly I'd rather not watch.
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